Samsung intros custom AMD Jaguar Ativ Book Lite (runs up to 8.5 hours)

[krumme]

This is a major win for AMD.

But somehow Intel still have the big hand on resolutions above 768 for ultrabooks, but it looks like it will not last, going by this development.

 

[grimpr]

This is a major win for AMD.

But somehow Intel still have the big hand on resolutions above 768 for ultrabooks, but it looks like it will not last, going by this development.

All i want is a Jaguar AM3+ 16core 3.2ghz with turbo up to 4ghz SKU.

 

[NTMBK]

All i want is a Jaguar AM3+ 16core 3.2ghz with turbo up to 4ghz SKU.

And I want a jetpack...

 

[podspi]

Yeah, lets he honest now, who would put 1500$ in cash to buy a pc thin ultrabook with windows 8? its quite laughable already even as an idea. Personally when people ask for laptops in the 900$+ category i always send them to Cupertino, they are just delivering the whole package for the money no questions asked.

Funny, whenever I see people with expensive MBP's I think to myself, "All that $$$ just to run OS X?"

To each his (or her) own of course, but I think that as touch screens become more popular, so will Windows 8.

I think the bigger issue in the PC world is that people just aren't willing to plunk down $1000+ on an HP or Dell. If there was one company that had the brand to compete with Apple in the $1000+ territory, it is Samsung.

 

[grimpr]

And I want a jetpack...

Hey, wanna bet they could put that in a 125/140W TDP? Its quite doable.

 

[Lepton87]

Being a regular user of each 300+ ppi, 150 ppi, and 80 ppi displays, I can safely say that the 300 ppi screens are just a waste of money. Anything beyond 150ppi is basically just a waste of money.

Agreed. With my less then perfect vision marred by long hours of staring into a computer screen I would accept even lower standards. My laptop has a 127PPI screen and my desktop monitor has a 108PPI screen and I wouldn't want any higher res on my laptop and 10% higher resolution on the desktop would make it perfect for me.

 

[grimpr]

Funny, whenever I see people with expensive MBP's I think to myself, "All that $$$ just to run OS X?"

To each his (or her) own of course, but I think that as touch screens become more popular, so will Windows 8.

I think the bigger issue in the PC world is that people just aren't willing to plunk down $1000+ on an HP or Dell. If there was one company that had the brand to compete with Apple in the $1000+ territory, it is Samsung.

Thats what i said in the past, truth is that reality changed my biased opinion against Cupertino, imho OSX is a superior desktop operating system and Apples products deliver the whole package, they really are in a class of themselves, the classical PC oems have no chance to stand besides Cupertino in the high price ranges and compete with it even Samsung, only business class Thinkpads sell more easily along with Macbooks, the typical laptop user market is at the 350$-600$ price range where the big volumes are and where AMD rightfully so decides to compete.

 

[FwFred]

That screen shot is of the ATIV One 5.

Sorry, you are right. The Book 9 Lite is using a 8W A6-1450. So the 15W Haswell has 40% more battery life, is thinner and lighter... I guess these are completely different price classes, so I shouldn't be comparing.

 

[Skolomerija]

AMD version has a much thicker display. Maybe 2x?

 

[monstercameron]

Sorry, you are right. The Book 9 Lite is using a 8W A6-1450. So the 15W Haswell has 40% more battery life, is thinner and lighter... I guess these are completely different price classes, so I shouldn't be comparing.

saw the videos, the plus has a thinner, cleaner chassis and display while the lite is thicker, and the only way to account for the lowered battery life is a smaller battery, because a 8-14w temash should last longer than an haswell ult.

 

[erunion]

and the only way to account for the lowered battery life is a smaller battery, because a 8-14w temash should last longer than an haswell ult.

Not true. There is much more to battery life than just comparing TDP. Even ULV chips don't operate at peak TDP the majority of the time.

Reviews showed IVB and Jaguar about on par for battery life. Consider the massive improvement in battery life Haswell offers over IVB(even with the same TDP), Haswell ULV should be able to offer better battery life than jaguar even with the same battery.

Haswell is introducing new power saving features, so you can't simply look at TDP. But we'll have to wait for more reviews to come out.

 

[Khato]

saw the videos, the plus has a thinner, cleaner chassis and display while the lite is thicker, and the only way to account for the lowered battery life is a smaller battery, because a 8-14w temash should last longer than an haswell ult.

... I take it you either already forgot or completely ignored the explanation I gave for this 'phenomenon' on Thursday? (Posts #12 through #15 in this thread.)

Kabini may be reasonably efficient under load, but it's light-load platform power usage is merely on par with IVB. Even on AMD's Kabini reference laptop, which likely has all manner of tweaks that production budget laptops won't bother with, it only got close to 7 minutes/Wh in Anandtech's 2013 Battery Life - Light suite compared to 11 minutes/Wh for the HSW based Acer S7 Ultrabook.

Granted there's no question that Kabini/Temash still have a place in the market for the next six months as the cheapest Haswell ULT is likely still over twice as expensive. But soon as Baytrail comes along it's going to be squeezed on both sides with its only advantage being better graphics on the cheap... which I doubt will be a very good sales pitch for getting into the bargain basement designs if they can pick up a Baytrail for the same price and be able to list twice the battery life. (Guess what sells more in the bargain basement, superior graphics on eye-sore 720p screens or 10+ hours of battery life?)

 

[monstercameron]

... I take it you either already forgot or completely ignored the explanation I gave for this 'phenomenon' on Thursday? (Posts #12 through #15 in this thread.)

Kabini may be reasonably efficient under load, but it's light-load platform power usage is merely on par with IVB. Even on AMD's Kabini reference laptop, which likely has all manner of tweaks that production budget laptops won't bother with, it only got close to 7 minutes/Wh in Anandtech's 2013 Battery Life - Light suite compared to 11 minutes/Wh for the HSW based Acer S7 Ultrabook.

Granted there's no question that Kabini/Temash still have a place in the market for the next six months as the cheapest Haswell ULT is likely still over twice as expensive. But soon as Baytrail comes along it's going to be squeezed on both sides with its only advantage being better graphics on the cheap... which I doubt will be a very good sales pitch for getting into the bargain basement designs if they can pick up a Baytrail for the same price and be able to list twice the battery life. (Guess what sells more in the bargain basement, superior graphics on eye-sore 720p screens or 10+ hours of battery life?)

before trying to tell me that I cant read or something atleast read my post, your calculation was for the a4-5000 that anandtech previewed, the samsung seems to have the a6-1450 which is 8W-14W not 15W.
in the notebookcheck.net reviews we can see that the balanced power profile uses less power for the temash than the kabini(what profile do they use to measure such long idle times?).

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-AMD-A6-1450-APU-Temash.92264.0.html#c1160794
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Short-Review-AMD-A4-5000-APU-Kabini.93173.0.html

 

[Khato]

before trying to tell me that I cant read or something atleast read my post, your calculation was for the a4-5000 that anandtech previewed, the samsung seems to have the a6-1450 which is 8W-14W not 15W.
in the notebookcheck.net reviews we can see that the balanced power profile uses less power for the temash than the kabini(what profile do they use to measure such long idle times?).

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-AMD-A6-1450-APU-Temash.92264.0.html#c1160794
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Short-Review-AMD-A4-5000-APU-Kabini.93173.0.html

The idea that light usage models are affected by different TDP levels when dealing with the same silicon design is amusing to say the least. Having almost half the TDP of the a4-5000 only means that it'll draw that much less power and perform that much worse when under load.

As for the differences between idle power characteristics in the notebookcheck.net reviews... You can't simply claim that the balanced power profile for the a6-1450 device is the reason why it uses less power in that setup than the a4-5000 reference laptop - the fact that the reference laptop screen likely uses around 1.5x the power at maximum brightness plays a pretty big part in that. And if you want to come back with the fact that the a4-5000 reference laptop then uses almost no more power under the maximum performance mode... well hey, I'd sure hope that AMD tweaked that reference laptop to put their product in its best light, whereas who knows what Acer did? In maximum performance mode Acer may well kick the CPU up to full frequency all the time.

Regardless, with a few simple calculations we can derive an average power usage in Anandtech's measurements of 5.48W for the Haswell Acer S7 and 8.68W for AMD's Kabini reference laptop while running the Battery Life 2013 - Light test suite. If you then look at notebookcheck's review of the A6-1450 (and cross-reference with their actual review of the Acer V5-122P in order to obtain maximum display brightness) you can get a decent idea of how the A6-1450 compares to the A4-5000 in this regard. Anandtech's battery testing is performed at 200 cd/m^2, and the maximum brightness on the Acer V5-122P is 210 cd/m^2 - but keep in mind that the 14" screen in AMD's Kabini reference laptop is ~1.45x larger and hence would still be using ~1.39x more power than the display in the Acer V5-122P Temash system. (Note this also gives the Haswell Acer S7 a slight advantage since a 14" screen is 1.1x larger than it's 13.3" screen.) Anyway, the notebookcheck figure for balanced profile and maximum brightness on the Acer V5-122P is already 6.8W - add in the system actually doing something instead of sitting idle, activating WiFi, and the larger screen and you arrive at a figure pretty close to the 8.68W Anandtech got for AMD's Kabini reference laptop.

 

[frozentundra123456]

This is a major win for AMD.

But somehow Intel still have the big hand on resolutions above 768 for ultrabooks, but it looks like it will not last, going by this development.

"Major win"-- just dont see it. It is OK, but basically just another low power, marginal performance chip in a medicre platform and a low res screen.

 

[Vesku]

Supply cost wise there is no reason these ~$400-600 notebooks couldn't at least have an option for better panels. It's market segmentation at work.