Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2

Zaap

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My choices for a Tablet/sketchpad/note taking/light consumption device came down to the Surface Pro 2 or the Galaxy Note Pro 12.2. (32GB model +64GB SD). Ultimately for me, the Pro 12.2 won out. It fits my needs perfectly, but it's definitely a niche product that won't have a very large audience.

Samsung gives a $25 Play Store credit with the NP12 also.

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The screen is just incredible. It's the closest thing I've seen so far to just taking the retina display off a rMBP and using it as a tablet Photos can't begin to do it justice. It's just a sheer pleasure to look at. Ultimately, the screen and the size were what tipped the scales vs. the Surface.

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Size comp with my Note 3.

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For the non-pro level drawing I plan to do, the NP12 is great. I actually could do pro-quality work on this, but ultimately the Surface 2 would have been far better if that had been my main goal. Still, there are enough decent apps (SketchBook Pro/Ink, ArtFlow, ScribMaster, etc.) to fit basic drawing tasks. The S-Pen feels even more responsive than my Note 3, which itself isn't bad. But not nearly as responsive as the Surface Pro 2. (I may end up with a Surface yet, as a dedicated drawing tool).

For taking notes, I've been surprised to find Notes Mobile *almost* as useful as One Note, though of course it's nowhere near the same thing.

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One of my main uses is displaying storyboards for video editing. The sheer size means page size close hard copy- everything clearly readable with no zooming around. For someone who's job requires referring to a lot of printed material that also is distributed in PDF form, I'd highly recommend the NP12.

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I'm waiting for a keyboard dock that will transform this into a 12" laptop.


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The screen is nearly exactly the size of a comic book page, so comics viewing is perfect. 2 page spreads are easily readable without zooming in landscape mode.

I put an actual comic book over the screen to show that the screen is actually slightly taller than a comic.

Reading in portrait reveals the weight problem of this tablet. To hold it near the bottom puts the full weight on your hands. In portrait, you have to rest the base on something for a comfortable experience. In landscape, I don't really feel it's that much of a burden to hold- it's definitely meant for that orientation. Luckily it's big enough to read comic pages side-by size in landscape mode and still not need to zoom.

1080p bluray rips look as awesome as expected on this screen.

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Lastly, the thing I thought would be a gimmick turns out to be one of the things I find most useful about this tablet. The 4 way multi-window view. I now use it all the time to have a movie file of a show I'm working on open (upper left), the script pdf (lower left) and a note pad to write my notes on. (right). I could also add a 4th (supported) app and split the right side as well. Best of all, these partitions can be resized as needed.

On (relatively) smaller devices like my Note 3 I've found multi-window of limited use- on the NP12, even split by 4, each partition is actually bigger than the entire screen of many devices. Just my note taking space above is the size of a 7" tablet. This is the kind of task I used to do with multiple devices that I can now do with just one, and the experience is more satisfying by far. Best of all, I can save my ideal layouts for future use, and the tablet multi-tasks so well it's no problem switching back and forth between multi-windowed app setup and other full screen apps I need.

I've found Switchr Pro and Button Savior (non-root) to be invaluable on this thing because of another issue the sheer size reveals- it becomes a PITA to have to reach for the back, home and task buttons across the ridiculous size of this device. Holding the device then trying to push a physical button while balancing the tablet with one hand= clumsy.

Switchr and Button Savior add these as pop-out functions killing the reliance on the hardware buttons. Frankly, I could almost do without hardware buttons on this. The less you reach for them, the better.

Battery life has been insanely good. I haven't tested the full range yet, but after 5 hours of use the other day, I was still at 40%.

Inevitable prank thus far: excusing myself to pretend-make a phone call on the 12.2 holding it (carefully!) up to my ear, in front of a local chapter of die-hard "itty-bitty-smartphone-committee" members already unable to process the size of a Note 3. "Samsung phones just keep getting... bigger!!" Priceless. :D
 
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Roland00Address

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Just double checking, you can still not multiwindow with netflix for netflix is not one of the apps that supports it due to netflix not designing their app to samsung guidelines...correct or has this change with the note 12?
 

Dari

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Congrats. Looks huge. I'm in the market for my first tablet for reading and taking notes. Is there strong 3rd party support for the pen on Samsung phones/tablets?
 

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Thank you for the review! If I annotated PDFs as frequently as I used to, and I could afford it, I'd totally pull the trigger!
 

Zaap

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Congrats. Looks huge. I'm in the market for my first tablet for reading and taking notes. Is there strong 3rd party support for the pen on Samsung phones/tablets?

I haven't really looked into how extensive s-pen support is, but I find there's at least a few good choices for the usual pen functions. For note taking there's Notes Mobile, Handwrite and Papyrus that do the job. (the later two with multi-window support.) For drawing there's a bunch of decent apps that are S-pen aware and switch to Palm rejection when the pen is in use.

I find the bigger issue to be native multi-window support. I'm hating that my preferred notes app, Notes Mobile doesn't support multi-window, but for now I'm using Papyrus and Handwrite which do. Xda already has a root method for the Note Pro (which can allow adding unsupported apps to multi-window, but I haven't worked up the nerve to root this yet. I'm hoping the new Samsung tablets have enough success to encourage more dead to build in MW support.
 

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I've found Switchr Pro and Button Savior (non-root) to be invaluable on this thing because of another issue the sheer size reveals- it becomes a PITA to have to reach for the back, home and task buttons across the ridiculous size of this device. Holding the device then trying to push a physical button while balancing the tablet with one hand= clumsy.
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I was going to ask exactly this. When playing with the TabPro 10.1 model, I found the landscape centered position of the buttons cumbersome to reach. The 12in model must be even worse.

Inevitable prank thus far: excusing myself to pretend-make a phone call on the 12.2 holding it (carefully!) up to my ear, in front of a local chapter of die-hard "itty-bitty-smartphone-committee" members already unable to process the size of a Note 3. "Samsung phones just keep getting... bigger!!" Priceless.

Thats hilarious. Since we're technically not allowed to bring tablets in to work, we had a guy buy an HSPA N7.1 and claim it was a phone. Oddly enough, the Powers That Be accepted his reasoning.
 

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The reviews aren't that good, not functional enough to replace a laptop, too big/heavy for a tablet.
 

s44

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I was going to ask exactly this. When playing with the TabPro 10.1 model, I found the landscape centered position of the buttons cumbersome to reach
Actually, I like being able to rotate my 10.1 to have the buttons either on the side or on the top. Having them always on the bottom as software would be a major PITA.
 

Bateluer

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Actually, I like being able to rotate my 10.1 to have the buttons either on the side or on the top. Having them always on the bottom as software would be a major PITA.

With on screen buttons, they'd rotate where needed in portrait/landscape or by app specifics.
 

s44

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Root can easily fix that, unfortunately not so for hardware buttons.
Hardware doesn't need a fix. You just turn it.

And having two mostly-useless bars eating screen height is horrible design, particularly in landscape.
 

Red Storm

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Hardware doesn't need a fix. You just turn it.

And having two mostly-useless bars eating screen height is horrible design, particularly in landscape.

Again, root fixes that. On my G2 phone the nav buttons only appear when I swipe up from the bottom, but I can just as easily have them appear from swiping either side or the top. And thanks to no hardware buttons I can actually hold the bottom bezel comfortably without worrying about accidental presses.

I have the Note 10.1. The hardware buttons are an annoyance I have to deal with. Software buttons would be so much better as I can control how they operate and look. I want to swipe in from the side and access Home, Back, Menu, etc. while using the tablet in landscape, but I can't.
 

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Hardware doesn't need a fix. You just turn it.

And having two mostly-useless bars eating screen height is horrible design, particularly in landscape.

Even so, it's probably better to put the physical buttons along the shorter sides. If you're using the device in landscape, they're still more convenient to reach. Just orient the device so the hardware buttons are nearest to your free hand so that they're easy to access.

It would be great if there were at least three physical buttons and two of them could be mapped to be app specific. That would be incredibly useful for a lot of different applications.
 

Zaap

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Even so, it's probably better to put the physical buttons along the shorter sides. If you're using the device in landscape, they're still more convenient to reach. Just orient the device so the hardware buttons are nearest to your free hand so that they're easy to access.

It would be great if there were at least three physical buttons and two of them could be mapped to be app specific. That would be incredibly useful for a lot of different applications.
On a device the size of the Note 12, that'd be ludicrous. Most people would absolutely drop the device holding it in portrait and trying to push physical buttons at the bottom. It's the most awkward arrangement possible, virtually guaranteeing most people would drop it.

Anyway, it's not that big a deal- Samsung even has built-in software buttons that can be enabled in Accessibility- personally I don't like them because they aren't customizable, and Button Savior works much better/faster and can be customized. Neither B.S. or Switchr take up any screen real estate as they slide out with a gesture and disappear when not in use.
 

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On a device the size of the Note 12, that'd be ludicrous. Most people would absolutely drop the device holding it in portrait and trying to push physical buttons at the bottom. It's the most awkward arrangement possible, virtually guaranteeing most people would drop it.

I haven't held the device, so I can't really comment too much, but I can't see it being any better in landscape. Even trying it out with an iPad, the distance isn't comfortable. The Note Pro 12.2 adds another inch on to that at least.

I almost never use my tablet in portrait mode, and for something like this, I can see wanting to even less. With the button at the side, it's far, far easier to get at when holding it in landscape. It actually doesn't weigh all that much for its size. It's only slightly heavier than the original iPad so it shouldn't be too unwieldy unless the weight balance is really off for some reason.

I don't know if my use is atypical, but if most people use the device in landscape most of the time, it makes far more sense to put the buttons along the short side which makes it far more usable. Even the camera is along the long-side of the device, and one of the only things I've ever used my iPad in portrait for is video calls.

There're very few reasons to use this device in portrait mode in my mind, so why they wouldn't put the buttons in a more accessible location is beyond me.
 

Zaap

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I have pretty big hands, and it's almost impossible for me to hold the 12.2 in portrait and move my thumbs down to where you'd push buttons along the bottom edge. To do so you have to be holding so far down on the device that 80% of it (very heavy) will just be floating out in mid air, unsupported. The second you move your thumbs far enough to reach where buttons will be (which by the way still would be far from comfortable because it's still a wide distance even in portrait) your palms will come off the bottom of the device the top end will propel it out of your hands and BAM. (And to take your hand completely off one side to push a button while holding too far down also will likely end up in a guaranteed drop.)

Button placement on the sides would simply have been auto-device suicide for most users.

The buttons do make sense where they are, but like I say, I mainly find them not needed at all.

The reason it's better in landscape, is simply because the weight isn't distributed upward past where you hold onto the device in order to comfortably push a button- the weight is going side-to-side. You can much more easily hold or balance in one hand and reach with the other to push a button.
 
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Zaap

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The price is a bit steep. It's really only for a very small niche of users who need the pen functions and the larger size. Since its legitimately a tool for work, it's a write-off. For someone who wants a tablet just as a consumption device I don't know what would possess them to go for a Note Pro vs a 10.1.