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Samsung GALAXY Note 10.1 2014

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Wow... I'm seriously torn.

Eight-fiddy is a bit much. But on the other hand, it's 12.1 inches @2560 x 1600 and 64GB internal plus an SD slot for 64GB more.

The size is a positive for drawing and such, but then also a likely negative for normal tablet use. Now I'm starting to think the Surface Pro 2 might be the better option, even factoring weight.

The Note Pro is definitely a niche product, but Im possibly in that niche. I can't wait to see one and mess with it in person.

Decisions, decisions.
 
Wow... I'm seriously torn.

Eight-fiddy is a bit much. But on the other hand, it's 12.1 inches @2560 x 1600 and 64GB internal plus an SD slot for 64GB more.

The size is a positive for drawing and such, but then also a likely negative for normal tablet use. Now I'm starting to think the Surface Pro 2 might be the better option, even factoring weight.

The Note Pro is definitely a niche product, but Im possibly in that niche. I can't wait to see one and mess with it in person.

Decisions, decisions.

I got a brief hands on with the Note Pro line up at CES, All I can say is WOW! The image quality was jaw dropping!
 
Add Windows 8 on those suckers, keep the prices the same or lower, and Samsung will have a winner on their hand. Someone needs to step up.
 
I got a brief hands on with the Note Pro line up at CES, All I can say is WOW! The image quality was jaw dropping!
I'm thinking once I see one myself and get a look at the screen I'll have to have one. Samsung's done that to me with the Note 2 and 3 already.
 
http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/04/samsung-galaxy-note-pro-tab-pro/

The other prices have been revealed as well as the launch date, Feb 13th.

$400 Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 16GB
$500 Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 16GB

I just noticed the 8.4 and 10.1 inch models also only come with 2GB of RAM while the 12.2 has 3GB. The Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 has 3GB of RAM as well. With all the bloat Samsung loads on, 3GB would have been nice for all the tablets.

And with the Note 10.1 2014 starting at $550 with capacitive stylus and more RAM, not sure why anyone would want the $500 Tab Pro 10.1?

Though I guess the $400 8.4 inch tablet with a 2560x1600 resolution display doesn't look bad.
 
Add Windows 8 on those suckers, keep the prices the same or lower, and Samsung will have a winner on their hand. Someone needs to step up.

The industry in general is trying to get away from Windows 8, as far away as possible. Its hell on their bottom lines, and these companies do need to turn a profit. They make money by selling to consumers, and consumers aren't buying Windows 8 devices.
 
The industry in general is trying to get away from Windows 8, as far away as possible. Its hell on their bottom lines, and these companies do need to turn a profit. They make money by selling to consumers, and consumers aren't buying Windows 8 devices.

Because the industry is hell bent on consumption devices. As soon as everyone figures out they need more than facebook machines, we will all come back to reality.
There is nothing wrong with Windows 8, it's all a twisted perception. When I hear people bitch about it, it's like hearing folks that were grandfather's age bitching about how to figure out a DVR.
 
Did you buy the Note 2/3 off-contract?
Got the 2 directly from Verizon when they had a deal I couldn't refuse for the bundle and I sold my S3. The 3 I bought off-contract. (Again, selling my N2 to make up some of the difference.)

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I think different things are being confused with Windows 8 dislike. Many don't like the Metro elements forced on them in a desktop or laptop. I have no problem with it on a tablet.

(Although I still have no need for full-screen metro apps. That whole line of thinking is backward as more modern tablet UI is going for making even mobile apps be split across larger screens. ie: Samsung's Magazine UI now allows for up to 4 apps at once in split screen, as well as windowed apps on top of that. Microsoft got the whole idea of screen-use for a tablet wrong by aping tablet usage of 4 years ago, rather than trying to look forward.)
 
Got the 2 directly from Verizon when they had a deal I couldn't refuse for the bundle and I sold my S3. The 3 I bought off-contract. (Again, selling my N2 to make up some of the difference.)

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I think different things are being confused with Windows 8 dislike. Many don't like the Metro elements forced on them in a desktop or laptop. I have no problem with it on a tablet.

(Although I still have no need for full-screen metro apps. That whole line of thinking is backward as more modern tablet UI is going for making even mobile apps be split across larger screens. ie: Samsung's Magazine UI now allows for up to 4 apps at once in split screen, as well as windowed apps on top of that. Microsoft got the whole idea of screen-use for a tablet wrong by aping tablet usage of 4 years ago, rather than trying to look forward.)

You can split the screen the beans out of any app on Windows 8. I can even split screen Win8 app with a regular app.
 
You can split the screen the beans out of any app on Windows 8. I can even split screen Win8 app with a regular app.
There was *never* any need for full-screen metro apps. It was (and remains) backward thinking on MS's part. Windows already had the advantage of being... Windows. Splitting the screen is even a work-around when you already had the advantage of windowed applications and sought to become more like a first-gen iPad and them work your way back to what you already had.

Anyway, we're getting a bit off subject. Didn't mean for this to become a Win8 thread.
 
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I'd love to try out a Note Pro. I actually won an ipad air at work this week and it's amazing how much I don't care. I'll give it a try for a while, but not sure what more to do beyond surfing and checking email. I basically use my Note 3 everywhere and my home comp with dual 27"s when I'm at home.

Most of my movie files don't appear to work automatically either until I re-encode them as mp4s.
 
There was *never* any need for full-screen metro apps. It was (and remains) backward thinking on MS's part. Windows already had the advantage of being... Windows. Splitting the screen is even a work-around when you already had the advantage of windowed applications and sought to become more like a first-gen iPad and them work your way back to what you already had.

Anyway, we're getting a bit off subject. Didn't mean for this to become a Win8 thread.

Im not trying to talk you out of a Tab and into a Win8 tablet. My initial response is mostly for bateluer, who usually doesn't provide any substance to his cliches.
I personally find 650 and up Android tablets a little hard to justify for my needs. Native productivity apps haven't "wow'd" me as a standalone. I do find excitement in their integration so i can access docs anywhere.
On the creative side of me, running gimped versions of photo editors bothers me. And the sole bonafide drawing app (sketchbook pro) concerns me. If Autodesk drops support, I am left with a device with a premium that could have been spent on a full Windows8 tablet or less expensive Android tablet.
In the meantime, the Windows 8 SP2 has been great. Full LR, PS and Sketchbook Pro, and Manga Studio 5.
Thats my two cents.
I already have this + a Nexus 7 for consumption. If your usage primarily consumption mixed in with note taking, I would go for an Android.
Sorry for the derail.
 
Im not trying to talk you out of a Tab and into a Win8 tablet. My initial response is mostly for bateluer, who usually doesn't provide any substance to his cliches.
I personally find 650 and up Android tablets a little hard to justify for my needs. Native productivity apps haven't "wow'd" me as a standalone. I do find excitement in their integration so i can access docs anywhere.
On the creative side of me, running gimped versions of photo editors bothers me. And the sole bonafide drawing app (sketchbook pro) concerns me. If Autodesk drops support, I am left with a device with a premium that could have been spent on a full Windows8 tablet or less expensive Android tablet.
In the meantime, the Windows 8 SP2 has been great. Full LR, PS and Sketchbook Pro, and Manga Studio 5.
Thats my two cents.
I already have this + a Nexus 7 for consumption. If your usage primarily consumption mixed in with note taking, I would go for an Android.
Sorry for the derail.

Not a derail at all, actually I share your EXACT same concerns. I'm still debating if I'd be better served by a Surface Pro or other Windows tablet. Depends on if I'm shifting my goals more toward the creative-tool side of my needs, or the consumption device side. Maybe it's a bad idea to expect a practical balance of each from one device, I dunno.

If I were buying strictly as a production tool, then I'd definitely go with the Surface, or a similar Windows tablet, mainly for the applications like full Sketchbook Pro, Artrage, Manga Studio, ToonBoom, Z-Brush, etc. (I have to agree, those apps on a tablet is seriously tempting!)

Like I say, I'm torn! If I were completely crazy, I'd just get a 10.1 -2014 (at one of those rock-bottom sale prices) for consumption needs AND a Surface Pro for my drawing needs. Now I'm picturing selling my wife on that idea... no scenario I come up with in my vision of that conversation plays out well.
 
More power to anyone who is willing to spend these amounts on a consumption device. My wife's father got her a 64GB iPad and 1) she does not take advantage of all that space and 2) she uses it to read and watch shows while doing real work on her laptop. Was it worth $700? F no. Creative types could do more with Windows 8 on the Note Pro devices than Android. A lot more...
 
Like I say, I'm torn! If I were completely crazy, I'd just get a 10.1 -2014 (at one of those rock-bottom sale prices) for consumption needs AND a Surface Pro for my drawing needs. Now I'm picturing selling my wife on that idea... no scenario I come up with in my vision of that conversation plays out well.

If you end up buying a Windows and Android tablet, I'd go with the Nexus 7 as the Android. That way you have a big screen tablet when you need a bigger screen and have the smaller screen tablet when you just want something light and easy to hold. And it's less than half the price of the Note 10.1. 🙂
 
More power to anyone who is willing to spend these amounts on a consumption device. My wife's father got her a 64GB iPad and 1) she does not take advantage of all that space and 2) she uses it to read and watch shows while doing real work on her laptop. Was it worth $700? F no. Creative types could do more with Windows 8 on the Note Pro devices than Android. A lot more...
$850 is pretty insane for a consumption device. But $400-$500 isn't uncommon, for a name-brand 10" device. Your wife could probably do fine with the entry-level iPad, but why knock parents who go for overkill? (My Dad is like that- I'm afraid to ask him for anything. He puts himself out and goes for the overkill option ever time, like anything else will be taken as an insult. True story- I happened to mention once that I wanted a safe in my house. I was talking about a tiny floor-safe for the back of a closet to store a few small valuables in. My Dad took it as a cue to gift it for me, and what he bought us shows up at in a box the size of a washing machine. Luckily it was mostly padding- but the safe itself is still way bigger and crazier than anything I would have actually bought myself. I love it though! Gotta love overkill Dad gifts. And no, I absolutely will not mention my tablet wants to him!)

If you end up buying a Windows and Android tablet, I'd go with the Nexus 7 as the Android. That way you have a big screen tablet when you need a bigger screen and have the smaller screen tablet when you just want something light and easy to hold. And it's less than half the price of the Note 10.1. 🙂
Thanks, but personally, no more 7" tablets for me. 10" or greater is my only options. Main thing I want to consume is comics and movies and I get tired of squinting at a smaller screen. I don't mind the weight of most 10" tablets. Also, I was pretty much joking about getting both. I can see that now, "Okay so now I want to get TWO brand new tablets... no no, hear me out..."
 
The one concern I have with the Surface Pro is all the crap. I had to buy a BT Mouse and Keyboard, along with a Type/Touch Cover. Figure that into the equation if you want notebook duties out of that. If you are on the tablet side, skip the official cover keyboards.
 
Im not trying to talk you out of a Tab and into a Win8 tablet. My initial response is mostly for bateluer, who usually doesn't provide any substance to his cliches.

You're just not reading my posts. 😛 I've had W8 on 4 different devices, one with a touch screen, one on a TV, one with dual monitors, and one with single monitor. Total fail on each. There's a Lumia 521 running WP8 sitting on my desk, bought it from Target when they were on sale for 60. After playing with that, its easy to see why WP struggles with ~3% market share. Its crap.

I personally find 650 and up Android tablets a little hard to justify for my needs. Native productivity apps haven't "wow'd" me as a standalone. I do find excitement in their integration so i can access docs anywhere.

I'd agree. Tablets are the new netbooks. They work best when they're inexpensive. I get what Samsung is trying with the Note 12.2, but I'm not sure the general consumer is ready for it. 850 dollars puts you into nice ultrabook territory.

In the meantime, the Windows 8 SP2 has been great. Full LR, PS and Sketchbook Pro, and Manga Studio 5.
Thats my two cents.

There is no Windows 8 SP2. There's 8.1(Windows 8 Service Pack1), but 8.2 hasn't been official released yet. Although, I did see a version of it leaked, if you're running that?
 
You're just not reading my posts. 😛 I've had W8 on 4 different devices, one with a touch screen, one on a TV, one with dual monitors, and one with single monitor. Total fail on each. There's a Lumia 521 running WP8 sitting on my desk, bought it from Target when they were on sale for 60. After playing with that, its easy to see why WP struggles with ~3% market share. Its crap.
Personally, I don't even consider WP8 in the same product universe as Windows 8, they just share a brand-name and a misguided corporate hoop-dream together.

I'm curious though, what did you consider fail with W8 on the other devices?
 
Personally, I don't even consider WP8 in the same product universe as Windows 8, they just share a brand-name and a misguided corporate hoop-dream together.

I do need to be honest; when the Lumia 521 and 520 shipped, they were great entry level smartphones. So long as you wanted a smartphone device, but wanted to stop with limited web browsing and Facebook, or simply wanted a smartphone that was basically disposable, these were great choices. But holding even the flagship Lumia against the best Samsung, Apple, Motorola, HTC, and LG have to offer now is like comparing a Gremlin to BMW's latest flagship car. They're not even in the same class of device.


I'm curious though, what did you consider fail with W8 on the other devices?

Oh boy, thats a long list. I'll give the highlights, lest I draw Microsoft's paid pundits to flame me. I have some screen caps from Reddit on my Dropbox, I think.

- Start Screen is a complete fail. Even if you have a touch screen device, such as my Acer V5. Starting any program from it locks it to full screen. This happening on my 27in 1440p displays is immediate, irrevocable fail. On the desktop, you can't hit the Esc key fast enough to get back. Bypassable with programs like Classic Shell, Start8, and StartIsBack though.

- Windows 8.1's forcing MS Live, online, accounts. By proxy, Microsoft's forcing W8's service packs to go through the utterly barren Windows Store, which mandates a life account. Very annoying to go through a new install, only to have to create a new user account, set as Admin, then delete the Live account. Rage inducing if you were upgrading an existing machine, and your main account got converted into the Live account, leaving you totally fucked. Oh, and when installing 8.1, better make sure you're on a wired Internet connect or that Windows 8.1 has WiFi drivers that work; if not, the W8.1 setup fails when setting up that Live account leaving up unable to progress, go back, or bypass in any way. Oh, btw, thats after it activates the key. So when you're reformatting and trying again, you will be forced to call Microsoft's support because you're trying to activate the same key twice in a 10 minute time frame.

- This pertains to W8 OEM laptops. W8 will not boot with Secure Boot off. Most Linux distros will not install with Secure Boot on. No dual boot for you. Oh, if you've bought from a lower grade OEM, again, such as my Acer V5, you're in for a fun time trying to get Linux installed at all due to the EFI.

- This also pertains to W8 OEM laptops. The W8 key is embedded in the EFI. If you were to say, purchase a Windows 8 Ultimate box at Best Buy after drinking 4 or 5 shots of Jack Daniels, you won't be able to install it on the laptop; It'll generate a key mismatch error every time. If you want to upgrade the version of W8 on the laptop, you have to do it through the Control Panel. If you can find it without Classic Shell anyway.

- The Tablet terminology that persists through the OS. A desktop is not a tablet, a notebook is not a tablet. Dumbing down my settings and hiding all the important things isn't helpful. Hell, its infuriating. Double Hell, none of my Android devices bury settings the way Windows 8 does.

- This is now fixed, but at launch, dual displays were essentially broke. Launch a Metro app in Display 1, Display 2 goes blank and app consumes entirety of Display 1. App is also an upscaled, stretched version of the WPx 800x400 app. This was my very first experience with Windows 8, not exactly a great first impression, but at least they fixed it. Makes for a great story though because it perfectly illustrates that they were so tablet/tablet/tablet/tablet focused they didn't even bother to test it on average desktop set ups.

Window 8 is the only OS that I've ever used that actively fights the user at every step, slows down the user trying to accomplish the simplest of tasks. And I've installed Slackware Linux in the mid 1990s.

Prior to W8's release, PC sales were lagging due to the iPad and the fact that older PCs simply did everything the user wanted. Windows 8 was supposed to revive those sagging sales, instead, it did the opposite, dragging them down even faster. To make matters worse, Microsoft's attempts of first party hardware, the Surface line, mostly sit unsold in warehouses because people cannot stand Windows 8. Doubly so when the cheaper, more usable iPad is displays 3 feet away from the Surface. Windows 8 has been such a colossal fail for Microsoft that Steven Sinofsky and Steve Ballmer lost their jobs over it.

The only people recommending Windows 8 based devices right now only doing so because they want to be trendy and hip, because Android and iOS are too popular. They would lose their hipster cred if they didn't back the underdog.

Perhaps Windows 8 will be salvageable with the 8.2 update, if rumors are to be believed. If not, wait for Windows 9 and see if they manage to pull head from buttocks.
 
- Start Screen is a complete fail. Even if you have a touch screen device, such as my Acer V5. Starting any program from it locks it to full screen. This happening on my 27in 1440p displays is immediate, irrevocable fail. On the desktop, you can't hit the Esc key fast enough to get back. Bypassable with programs like Classic Shell, Start8, and StartIsBack though.

I'm trying to follow this complaint but I don't understand. Going back to Windows 8, and now 8.1, any program I have pinned to the Start screen that runs in the classic desktop starts windowed liked it always did. Are you only talking about "Metro" apps here?

I agree with your take on the Secure Boot and UEFI issues. I don't like it and it is something most people don't realize when they are buying a new system.

I'm not a hipster but I do like the idea of running real programs on a tablet rather than needing to find an "app" to try and replicate what I can already do on my PC. I'm not sure the W8 devices are completely there yet but the idea is promising. I wish other desktop OS's were making the transition to tablet devices so we could break free from the app store BS that comes along with almost every mobile device out there.
 
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