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Samsung Exynos Thread (big.LITTLE Octa-core)

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I think the cpu is plenty fast. But its an expensive phone and releasing it half a year later than s7 is just a rip off.
 
I don't think 6 month SoC cycles is something we'll see any time soon again, so expect the Note series to always have the same SoC as the latest S model.
 
Nothingness said:
That indeed is disappointing. The only interesting part is the increased RAM memory 🙁

As far as SoC goes, Galaxy Note had the same one as the same generation Galaxy S: 4210 for GN1/S2, 4412 for GN2/S3.

We can hope for increased frequency...
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Galaxy Note 3 and Galaxy Note 4 got updated SoCs. They need to bring back the fun, this is the right type of device to push boundaries. Ideally I would like to see different SoCs for the S line and Note/tablets. If not possible, at least give us a reasonable clockspeed bump (call it 'Exynos 8892' or 'Exynos 8900') and try to differentiate it with a significantly better screen, camera, etc.
 
According to the latest leaks Galaxy Note 7 packs an updated Exynos 8893, operating at up to 2.6-2.7 GHz (13-17% higher clocks than Exynos 8890).

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Other specifications:

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http://androidspin.com/2016/06/26/samsung-galaxy-note-7-feature-exynos-8893-new-grace-ux-new-s-pen
 
USB Type C I notice. 4000 mAh should give it excellent battery life too.


I have the Exynos variant of the S7, very happy with it.
 
Andrei. said:
Those are overclocked scores with some kernel changes for better AES scores.
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Have you heard something to confirm the 8893 existence then ? Maybe in the kernel of the S7 ? I liked when in previous years the Note series got a refined Exynos version of the S line.
 
Lodix said:
Have you heard something to confirm the 8893 existence then ? Maybe in the kernel of the S7 ? I liked when in previous years the Note series got a refined Exynos version of the S line.
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Yea should be a revision, not a new chip like the 5420.
 
Andrei. said:
Yea should be a revision, not a new chip like the 5420.
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A revision of the SoC itself? Or of the CPU? The 8893 Geekbench scores show the same revision for the CPU (ARM implementer 83 architecture 8 variant 1 part 1 revision 1), so either it was not revised or the entries are fake.
 
Nothingness said:
A revision of the SoC itself? Or of the CPU? The 8893 Geekbench scores show the same revision for the CPU (ARM implementer 83 architecture 8 variant 1 part 1 revision 1), so either it was not revised or the entries are fake.
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A SoC revision isn't necessarily represented in the CPU ID. Don't have much info but the things I know make sound it more of a metal fix than a new design.
 
What's this M1 core for? The upcoming Exynos Processor? 8895 I think it's called and on 10nm FinFet for the Galaxy S8 in Q1-2017?

EDIT: Everything I see with that "M1" stands for Mongoose which is in the existing 14nm 8890 chips. So I have no idea what those slides are supposed to be showing that is new.
 
First bits about 2017 Exynos 8895, rumored to power the Galaxy S8:

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- 10nm process
- M1 ARMv8-A CPU cores
- North of 3.0 GHz!
- Can reach 3.8 GHz+ through delevoper tools adjustments
- GPU portion is based on Mali-G71, ARM's new Bifrost high-end GPU architecture

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However as Midgard approaches its fourth birthday and the SoC GPU landscape evolves, Midgard’s time at the top will soon be coming to an end. Amidst the backdrop of Computex 2016 and alongside their new Cortex-A73 CPU, ARM is announcing their next generation GPU architecture, Bifrost. A significant update to ARM’s GPU architecture, Bifrost will first be deployed in ARM’s Mali-G71 GPU.
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ARM’s official numbers for G71 call for it to offer significant improvements over a same-process Mali-T880 with respect to both energy efficiency and density. For the former ARM is expecting G71 to deliver 20% better energy efficiency over T880, and on the latter to offer 40% better performance density – or in other words, the same performance at 40% less die space. Though ARM has not been heavily penalized for area efficiency, the latter has been one of the few areas where they haven’t done quite as well, and is something competitor Qualcomm is keen to call them out on.

From a performance standpoint, ARM is expecting G71-based devices to offer around 1.5x the performance of current, T880 devices. This is a slightly fuzzier metric – it’s not 50% faster at the same MP configuration – but rather a combination of manufacturing improvements, a larger number of shader cores, and Bifrost architectural improvements. Andrei also suspects that if we were looking at apples-to-apples ISO-power/ISO-area numbers where everything was held equal, the actual performance gains would be even greater.
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https://benchlife.info/samsung-exynos-8895-take-10nm-and-arm-mali-g71-09012016
 
Exclusive: Samsung is in talks with Nvidia and AMD for GPU technologies

There have been multiple reports in the past stating Samsung’s efforts to develop an in-house GPU for its mobile processors. The company’s Exynos chipset with a GPU developed internally was expected to be ready in time for the Galaxy Note 5, but the plan didn’t materialise. We’ve now received additional information regarding the matter.

Currently, Samsung is using ARM’s Mali series of GPUs in its Exynos chipsets. According to information that we’ve received, Samsung is in talks with both AMD and Nvidia to license their GPU technologies. As of now, Nvidia seems to have an upper hand due to its superior Pascal architecture. However, that doesn’t mean AMD could be ruled out, especially since Sony just announced its PS4 Pro gaming console with 4K gaming that uses AMD’s Polaris architecture.

An Exynos chipset with HSA support is rumoured to arrive next year. Samsung is also working hard to add CDMA support in its Exynos chipsets, and the company is planning to test its upcoming SoC on CDMA networks in September 2017. The Exynos-powered Galaxy S9 is expected to support CDMA networks, which could mean that the South Korean smartphone giant could dump Qualcomm’s Snapdragon solutions for good in the coming years.
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www.sammobile.com/2016/09/09/exclusive-samsung-is-in-talks-with-nvidia-and-amd-for-gpu-technologies

Thoughts?
 
Personally, I don't care all that much about GPU anymore when it comes to 3d rendering except VR latency. I'm more interested in checking all the boxes when it comes to video, 8K, 120+hz, Rec2020, HDR/10/12bit, and whatever codec is the new rage.

Does Samsung have a mission statement or a vision for where they want to be on the SoC front in 1/5/10 years?
 
Hadn't AMD sold their ARM related GPU IP to Qualcomm? Has the mobile GPU scene changed enough for AMD to be able to compete against Qualcomm?

As for nvidia, the licensing fees they would charge to Samsung would probably just inflate the BOM too high to be a viable option. Also that would imply Samsung trusting them enough to stake at least a full product line of processors, and after what happened between nvidia and Motorola I'm not sure they would trust them enough for that. And besides nvidia would rather make the complete ARM chip and sell it outright for profits.

So far I don't see much that could work with this rumor.
 
Yakk said:
Hadn't AMD sold their ARM related GPU IP to Qualcomm? Has the mobile GPU scene changed enough for AMD to be able to compete against Qualcomm?

As for nvidia, the licensing fees they would charge to Samsung would probably just inflate the BOM too high to be a viable option. Also that would imply Samsung trusting them enough to stake at least a full product line of processors, and after what happened between nvidia and Motorola I'm not sure they would trust them enough for that. And besides nvidia would rather make the complete ARM chip and sell it outright for profits.

So far I don't see much that could work with this rumor.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/7083/nvidia-to-license-kepler-and-future-gpu-ip-to-3rd-parties

Nvidia so far haven't managed to license the IP out but this could be the open door they've been after. I think Nvidia is 50/50 and AMD 10% chance, safest bet would be PowerVR probably.
 
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