Samsung and Global Foundries will produce AMD's Next Gen Greenland GPU and Zen CPU

[ShintaiDK]

Look at the Steam survey. The 300 series is the same way; the only AMD GPU that's sold decently in recent times is the 290/X when the price was severely cut.

Yep, its so low the 300 series doesn't even show in the list on steam.

 

[VR Enthusiast]

Are 14 nm yields good enough to allow for such huge dies? We've seen how poor the Intel 14 nm yields have been, despite that their process has been live for a long time now. And Intel's chips are much smaller than that. So is TSMC/GF/Samsung 14/16 nm yields that much better, so they can produce 450+ mm2 chips in 2016 at reasonable cost?

Intel isn't comparable to the pure-play foundries because what is profitable for them is much different to a company like AMD. Intel has no margin for error and needs to balance die sizes compared to their own previous nodes.

AMD is literally at the bottom of the barrel (massive, crap bulldozer-derived CPUs and power-hungry GPUs) so node advances like this only have an upside.

In this instance, think back to 2009. The last time AMD had a big lead over Nvidia was when Cypress was released and Fermi was just theoretically a disaster. This time we know that Nvidia needs to get HBM and FinFETs right on a big die on 14nm so the easiest way for AMD to make Pascal another Fermi is to put out their own big GPU first.

AMD can't allow Nvidia free reign to release something "ok" and big just because they have nothing big enough to compete. That's why Fermi was so bad so early - because AMD competed and forced Nvidia to delay and delay.

If AMD doesn't show up with a huge 14nm die then they deserve the losers tag.

 

[Phynaz]

No, ~1 year until 8 core Zen will obliterate your 4 core Intel CPU's in MT performance. And ∞ days until you will be able to comprehend content in forum threads.

Well it should, considering my CPU will be over seven years old at that point. I think that's enough of a performance gap, don't you?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Look at the Steam survey. The 300 series is the same way; the only AMD GPU that's sold decently in recent times is the 290/X when the price was severely cut.

Yep. It's actually pretty nuts how much greater perf/$ AMD needs to offer in order to move product in reasonable quantity. AMD's marketing team is not good at its job.

Of course, it's not getting any better since AMD is cutting costs in marketing/sales to "protect" R&D (though R&D has been cut significantly too). What good is "R&D" if you can't actually sell your product?

 

[VR Enthusiast]

Yep. It's actually pretty nuts how much greater perf/$ AMD needs to offer in order to move product in reasonable quantity. AMD's marketing team is not good at its job.

Of course, it's not getting any better since AMD is cutting costs in marketing/sales to "protect" R&D (though R&D has been cut significantly too). What good is "R&D" if you can't actually sell your product?

If you are a tech enthusiast then you'd be doing your best to ensure that the best tech won at the best price point. This is what I do, because I'm a fan of technology - especially gaming technology.

If you're not doing that then you should re-evaluate your position, because you're not a tech enthusiast and instead fell for the marketing.

 

[monstercameron]

If you are a tech enthusiast then you'd be doing your best to ensure that the best tech won at the best price point. This is what I do, because I'm a fan of technology - especially gaming technology.

If you're not doing that then you should re-evaluate your position, because you're not a tech enthusiast and instead fell for the marketing.

i dont think its fair or accurate to say that you have to be an enthusiast to have high end hardware.

 

[VR Enthusiast]

i dont think its fair or accurate to say that you have to be an enthusiast to have high end hardware.

I agree, though I don't see anybody suggesting that here.

 

[prtskg]

I too doubt that we'll see big gpus right off the bat. This has nothing to do with what AMD or Nvidia wants but with the maturity of finfet nodes.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Look at the Steam survey. The 300 series is the same way; the only AMD GPU that's sold decently in recent times is the 290/X when the price was severely cut.

That's somewhat misleading. Steam is big, but the survey is cluttered up with a lot of old product, especially considering how many products fall under the DX11 category. Under the DX11 category, for example, R9 200 series shows up in more machines and is gaining ground faster than the GTX 980. The 980 Ti is a no-show. Does that mean the 980 Ti is selling poorly? No.

More telling would be sales data, data concerning how much product is lingering unsold in retail channels, stuff like that.

 

[Arachnotronic]

If you are a tech enthusiast then you'd be doing your best to ensure that the best tech won at the best price point. This is what I do, because I'm a fan of technology - especially gaming technology.

I am a PC enthusiast and believe that my systems give me the best performance/features for the $ that I spent. My rig will again be in my sig once I have finished updating it & making sure that the new parts work 🙂

If you're not doing that then you should re-evaluate your position, because you're not a tech enthusiast and instead fell for the marketing.

I have been building my own PCs and following component reviews for more than a decade. I don't usually fall for marketing BS, but I don't always choose my components subject to the constraint of maximum perf/$ (though for a given level of performance/features, I would like to spend as little as possible) 😉

 

[ShintaiDK]

That's somewhat misleading. Steam is big, but the survey is cluttered up with a lot of old product, especially considering how many products fall under the DX11 category. Under the DX11 category, for example, R9 200 series shows up in more machines and is gaining ground faster than the GTX 980. The 980 Ti is a no-show. Does that mean the 980 Ti is selling poorly? No.

More telling would be sales data, data concerning how much product is lingering unsold in retail channels, stuff like that.

A bad excuse is a bad excuse. Just accept the reality and move on. Your precious AMD isn't selling well.

 

[CHADBOGA]

No, ~1 year until 8 core Zen will obliterate your 4 core Intel CPU's in MT performance.

And give up 25 to 35% in ST performance. D:

 

[AtenRa]

And give up 25 to 35% in ST performance. D:

We are a few days away from 2016 and DX-12 that will push MT, Single Thread is left behind and will never come back.

 

[ShintaiDK]

We are a few days away from 2016 and DX-12 that will push MT, Single Thread is left behind and will never come back.

DX12 only changes the render, not the game logic.

Again you put all your faith in something new that is supposed to cure all AMDs problems, yet it wont. Wait and see game as always, with the result being the same again and again.

Current DX12 tests also shows you are completely wrong.

 

[AtenRa]

DX12 only changes the render, not the game logic.

Again you put all your faith in something new that is supposed to cure all AMDs problems, yet it wont. Wait and see game as always, with the result being the same again and again.

Current DX12 tests also shows you are completely wrong.

Go past the AMD vs Intel, DX-12 will push Multi Thread to the next level for both AMD and Intel x86 CPUs.
Also, ST performance needs will be way less than DX-11.

http://partner.amd.com/Documents/MarketingDownloads/en/AMD and DirectX12 JULY2015_part2.pdf

 

[ShintaiDK]

You pictures dont work. And DX12 wont change game logic.

Hence why an i3 beats a FX8350 in AOTS. And how was Fable? Oh right, same thing.

So the challenge is up to you, show me a DX12 game where your dream comes true.

 

[AtenRa]

You pictures dont work. And DX12 wont change game logic.

Hence why an i3 beats a FX8350 in AOTS. And how was Fable? Oh right, same thing.

So the challenge is up to you, show me a DX12 game where your dream comes true.

keep denying, Mantle have already shown what will come next with DX-12. I dont need to show anything more than what is already posted before.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So like always, AMD users need to wait and see for something that never tend to materialize. Same story as always.

Your sales pitch haven't changed.

 

[CHADBOGA]

We are a few days away from 2016 and DX-12 that will push MT, Single Thread is left behind and will never come back.

Just like HSA did, huh? D:

 

[Fjodor2001]

And DX12 wont change game logic.

There's nothing special about game logic. Sure, you don't get multi-threading for "free" with DX12 when it comes to game logic. But game logic can be made multi-threaded too. Then there will of course always be crappy games that aren't properly coded to make use of that, but that's another story.

http://seanmiddleditch.com/multi-threaded-game-engines/

Also, this is just games. Compilers, video encoding and editing SW, web rendering, etc also make use of multiple cores. The trend towards multi threading is obvious.

But this is getting a bit off topic...

 

[Arachnotronic]

Why does it have to be "either/or" when it comes to single-threaded and multi-threaded performance?

Buy a Haswell-E + a nice cooler and you will have excellent multi-threaded performance and within-striking-distance-of-leadership single-thread performance. Or buy a 6700K and overclock it to 4.5-4.6GHz -- I would raise an eyebrow to anybody who says that such a chip doesn't deliver excellent MT performance.

 

[AtenRa]

Just like HSA did, huh? D:

No like Mantle did and soon DX-12.

 

[ultimatebob]

Does anyone else think that this new AMD/Samsung partnership lead to something bigger?

Samsung is on the short list of companies that would be interested in AMD's IP in the event where they company gets acquired.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Does anyone else think that this new AMD/Samsung partnership lead to something bigger?

Samsung is on the short list of companies that would be interested in AMD's IP in the event where they company gets acquired.

In the graphics IP? Because it isn't in x86.

AMD is worth peanuts and you see buyouts and mergers left and right. But nobody touches AMD.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Why does it have to be "either/or" when it comes to single-threaded and multi-threaded performance?

Buy a Haswell-E + a nice cooler and you will have excellent multi-threaded performance and within-striking-distance-of-leadership single-thread performance.

Yes, or buy an 8 core AMD Zen when it's released. As you said, any of them will give you massively better MT performance, and come close to Intel quad core ST performance. But the anti-MT crowd just aims at max ST performance no matter what, and a 4 core 4790K/6700K is faster than 5960X/Zen in ST performance.