News Samsung allegedly wants to invest $10 billion in a 3nm chip manufacturing plant in Texas

[IronWing]

Isn't TSMC supposed to be building a fab somewhere around Phoenix?

Yup:

Taiwan Semiconductor launches $38B Phoenix presence by signing major lease - AZ Big Media

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company moved forward with its official market entry with a 46,735-square-foot office lease.

azbigmedia.com

It's part of Maricopa County's beautification project.

 

[zinfamous]

And please, dont bring your liberal ideas in TX, unless you want to live in Austin, Houston, El Paso or Dallas.

That means:

No poking smot (at least not legally anyway).

No complaining about AR15's being toted openly or gunfire when the Cowboys score a touchdown. The cops will just hang up on you anyway.

No asking for a $900,000 a year public pension when you only make $60,000 a year.

No min wage increase above $7.25 an hour. Someone has to make cheap chicken tenders.

No bitching about the absurd property taxes that make up for state income taxes. You can bitch, but nothing will change because the alternative is income taxes, which was made unconstitutional long ago.

None of that reducing four lane roads to two lanes to accommodate bike traffic. Thats inconvenient as fuck.

And finally no anti business laws in the name of "XXX justice" or "peace on earth", etc., you stupid hippy.

Get over it. Your state will be fixed by "liberals" within the next 10 or so years.

 

[MrSquished]

Get over it. Your state will be fixed by "liberals" within the next 10 or so years.

Imagine being against raising the minimum wage over $7.25. What terrible people these folks are. Absolutely terrible people. And so-called small government libertarians against legalizing weed too. They have no principles except being bad hombres.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Get over it. Your state will be fixed by "liberals" within the next 10 or so years.

Right, so people are flocking here from all over because they just want to jump in a dumpster of "how not to do things" lol.

 

[MrSquished]

Right, so people are flocking here from all over because they just want to jump in a dumpster of "how not to do things" lol.

They are flocking their for lower cost of living, not to abandon most of their core beliefs. Sure they may slightly change on some issues but not fundamentally. Just look at the presidential elections 2000 on - the trend is heading Blue slowly but surely. Biden got within 6.5% points of the R opponent. Hilary was nearly 10% off, Obama was 12% and 16%, Kerry and Gore got spanked by over 20%. You think people move to Texas will abandon core principles like not being racist, wanting some fair wages, decent environmental laws, sensible transportation policy, legalizing MJ? Maybe they'll soften on guns a bit, and on some regulations, but for the most part, they will stay whole.

 

[Torn Mind]

Imagine being against raising the minimum wage over $7.25. What terrible people these folks are. Absolutely terrible people. And so-called small government libertarians against legalizing weed too. They have no principles except being bad hombres.

Quite the fanatic, are you?

It's a balancing act because the smaller businesses that do not have a face silently close or disappear in areas with far less population density.

In densely populated areas, the governments can and normally do allow more than the federal minimum, which reflects their constituents' desires.

 

[MrSquished]

Quite the fanatic, are you?

It's a balancing act because the smaller businesses that do not have a face silently close or disappear in areas with far less population density.

In densely populated areas, the governments can and normally do allow more than the federal minimum, which reflects their constituents' desires.

If your business model does not include paying people a decent wage, then your business model should not exist. If the system has to be changed for that to happen, the system should be changed. If wanting a decent minimum wage is being a fanatic, I'll take it.

 

[Torn Mind]

They are flocking their for lower cost of living, not to abandon most of their core beliefs. Sure they may slightly change on some issues but not fundamentally. Just look at the presidential elections 2000 on - the trend is heading Blue slowly but surely. Biden got within 6.5% points of the R opponent. Hilary was nearly 10% off, Obama was 12% and 16%, Kerry and Gore got spanked by over 20%. You think people move to Texas will abandon core principles like not being racist, wanting some fair wages, decent environmental laws, sensible transportation policy, legalizing MJ? Maybe they'll soften on guns a bit, and on some regulations, but for the most part, they will stay whole.

Their core beliefs also come with increasing the cost of living in their localities. The glory of government as savior necessarily means a blank cheque to government even if the bureaucrats piss the money away wastefully.

(It also means quietly nuking whatever natural fauna is left so the city becomes super densely packed and then futuristic solutions are implemented as a mea culpa for developing over what used to be shades of green. )

 

[Torn Mind]

If your business model does not include paying people a decent wage, then your business model should not exist. If the system has to be changed for that to happen, the system should be changed. If wanting a decent minimum wage is being a fanatic, I'll take it.

Those who cannot comprehend the local logistics or environment should not be shoving down blunt implementations that are not tailored to the situation at hand.

Even in Maryland, which is clearly blue, the two most densely populated counties have higher minimum wages than the statewide minimum, and that state minimum is higher than the federal minimum. That's because they state knows that Garrett County is not going to have the same spending power or population density as Montgomery or PG. Government is not for the passing of principles on blindly devotion, but to maximize economic value for the local constituents.

 

[MrSquished]

Their core beliefs also come with increasing the cost of living in their localities. The glory of government as savior necessarily means a blank cheque to government even if the bureaucrats piss the money away wastefully.

(It also means quietly nuking whatever natural fauna is left so the city becomes super densely packed and then futuristic solutions are implemented as a mea culpa for developing over what used to be shades of green. )

Yes, making a place more desirable to live does increase the COL. That's not going to change. Ask people in Austin how it's going with RE prices. Hopefully some people get over their NIMBYism, which is one thing that keeps RE prices inflated. NIMBYism is on both sides of the aisle, although only one presidential candidate ran against changing zoning anywhere in the burbs, using racist dogwhistles to do so. There are other policies that can be implemented to keep RE prices down as well. The only folks arguing for some of those policies are only on one side though, things like rent control, etc...

 

[IronWing]

Those who cannot comprehend the local logistics or environment should not be shoving down blunt implementations that are not tailored to the situation at hand.

Have you yet considered the idea that you're a moron?

 

[MrSquished]

Those who cannot comprehend the local logistics or environment should not be shoving down blunt implementations that are not tailored to the situation at hand.

Even in Maryland, which is clearly blue, the two most densely populated counties have higher minimum wages than the statewide minimum, and that state minimum is higher than the federal minimum. That's because they state knows that Garrett County is not going to have the same spending power or population density as Montgomery or PG. Government is not for the passing of principles on blindly devotion, but to maximize economic value for the local constituents.

There should still be a federal minimum and states and cities can then adjust from there, and the federal minimum wage is way too low now. The federal minimum wage was higher in 1968 in today's dollars than it is now. It was the equivalent of $12.28 then and now it's $7.25. It's a joke. If you can't see that it's you that is the fanatic, not me.

 

[FelixDeCat]

In lala land making nuggets gets $25 an hour when the market clearly doesn't support it.

In Texas you get what the market will bear. If someone can pay more you get more.

That's why the cost of living is affordable because of a competitive market paying people commensurate to the job done.

You can try to guilt and shame people who support the idea that making nuggets unprofitablely is a good idea, but eventually they will go bankrupt or automate the process and now nobody can make nuggets and have a job.

Making nuggets is not a career move. You only get a living wage if the market supports it, not because some pot smoking liberal demands it.

 

[IronWing]

You only get a living wage if the market supports it, not because some pot smoking liberal demands it.

Not true at all. We can vote it anyway we'd like. Capitalism is just one flawed system. There are other systems.

 

[MrSquished]

In lala land making nuggets gets $25 an hour when the market clearly doesn't support it.

In Texas you get what the market will bear. If someone can pay more you get more.

That's why the cost of living is affordable because of a competitive market paying people commensurate to the job done.

You can try to guilt and shame people who support the idea that making nuggets unprofitablely is a good idea, but eventually they will go bankrupt or automate the process and now nobody can make nuggets and have a job.

Making nuggets is not a career move. You only get a living wage if the market supports it, not because some pot smoking liberal demands it.

If there was no government intervention in the free markets in certain ways, we'd go back to the days of when Upton Sinclair exposed the obscenity of the total free market in regards to labor wages and conditions in his book The Jungle. That's your utopia. I'll take a pot smoking liberal any day of the week over folks like you that would support essentially indentured servitude of the masses because they could be held at the whims of the owners of the means of production for anything - whether it be slave wages or obscene working conditions.

Also, btw, it's probably a pot smoking educated tech savvy liberal running the tech companies that are bringing those jobs to Texas, and they don't look kindly on regressive folks like you, and certainly won't vote how you like them to. They will certainly eventually outnumber the regressives and I can't wait for that day.

 

[zinfamous]

Right, so people are flocking here from all over because they just want to jump in a dumpster of "how not to do things" lol.

I wonder how much angrier you will be after 10 years of living an observably much better life under democratic policies in Texas. ...or will you just move to Mississippi because you really do prefer the smell of diabeetus in the morning?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Those who cannot comprehend the local logistics or environment should not be shoving down blunt implementations that are not tailored to the situation at hand.

Even in Maryland, which is clearly blue, the two most densely populated counties have higher minimum wages than the statewide minimum, and that state minimum is higher than the federal minimum. That's because they state knows that Garrett County is not going to have the same spending power or population density as Montgomery or PG. Government is not for the passing of principles on blindly devotion, but to maximize economic value for the local constituents.

You're talking to 2 of the biggest incompetent fools of P&N - the types that have such inept thinking that they actually conjure up such ridiculous statements where they think the key to ending poverty is to just raise a minimum wage. That's it! Everything is fixed, good as new, we figured it out!

Such a major change like that couldn't possibly do things such to a market that evolves such as increase costs of living, drive unemployment through automation investment, and companies falling under that can't afford the cost changes? No, never.

These are the same brainiacs that think bottle-necking jobs with shit like costly government permits/applications to drive a taxi or cut hair is something that is a good idea.

Sadly they live a life of blissful ignorance - where they are told simple statements like "Don't do the same shit you did in California when you move here - you will simply recreate what you're running away from" and it just glides over their head.

 

[zinfamous]

Not true at all. We can vote it anyway we'd like. Capitalism is just one flawed system. There are other systems.

Kind of interesting to see this "only the market can determine fair wages!" bullshit persist, to this day, as if the market is somehow its own benevolent entity, truly outside of any human control and "totally not greased to favor a select few pre-determined MOTUs", while we are watching exactly what that greased, controlled, trapped market is doing to retail investors this week wrg to GME, et al.

Imagine...just imagine the type of person that can hold two completely contradictory understandings of how this thing works....just like that!

 

[zinfamous]

You're talking to 2 of the biggest incompetent fools of P&N - the types that have such inept thinking that they actually conjure up such ridiculous statements where they think the key to ending poverty is to just raise a minimum wage. That's it! Everything is fixed, good as new, we figured it out!

Such a major change like that couldn't possibly do things such to a market that evolves such as increase costs of living, drive unemployment through automation investment, and companies falling under that can't afford the cost changes? No, never.

These are the same brainiacs that think bottle-necking jobs with shit like costly government permits/applications to drive a taxi or cut hair is something that is a good idea.

Sadly they live a life of blissful ignorance - where they are told simple statements like "Don't do the same shit you did in California when you move here - you will simply recreate what you're running away from" and it just glides over their head.

so sayeth the resident AT day-drinker.

So, how many sheets are you in by now? It's only ....3pm EST.

 

[MrSquished]

You're talking to 2 of the biggest incompetent fools of P&N - the types that have such inept thinking that they actually conjure up such ridiculous statements where they think the key to ending poverty is to just raise a minimum wage. That's it! Everything is fixed, good as new, we figured it out!

Such a major change like that couldn't possibly do things such to a market that evolves such as increase costs of living, drive unemployment through automation investment, and companies falling under that can't afford the cost changes? No, never.

These are the same brainiacs that think bottle-necking jobs with shit like costly government permits/applications to drive a taxi or cut hair is something that is a good idea.

Sadly they live a life of blissful ignorance - where they are told simple statements like "Don't do the same shit you did in California when you move here - you will simply recreate what you're running away from" and it just glides over their head.

Who said raising the minimum wage would solve poverty? Literally nobody. You are talking to the voices in your head again. It's simply one tool to use to ensure some base level of dignity. If you think the minimum wage should be $5 less in today's dollars than it was in 1968, you are a big part of the problem. Maybe instead of saying, well shit, making $15 an hour is too much money for menial but honest work, maybe you should start thinking that other people are being paid too little for skilled work, like say being a teacher. But you people can't think that way, because it's a defect.

Also, like I posted above, Texas is trending blue the last 20 years in noticeable steps. In 20 years or less when Texas goes blue, I can't wait to see your heads explode. What a glorious day that will be.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

so sayeth the resident AT day-drinker.

So, how many sheets are you in by now? It's only ....3pm EST.

Actually hadn't started yet, but thanks for the reminder

 

[zinfamous]

I was going to not drink tonight. Now I might.

 

[Svnla]

Why those folks that move to TX and other red states didn't stick around in their blue states to pay their "fair" share of all those high taxes and fees that they love to champion? Uh huh.

New York, again, leads nation in population decline: It could now lose two House seats

Population decline continues to be a problem for the Big Apple. New York could lose as many as two U.S. House seats in 2022 federal reappointment.

www.usatoday.com

.

 

[Brainonska511]

Why those folks that move to TX and other red states didn't stick around in their blue states to pay their "fair" share of all those high taxes and fees that they love to champion? Uh huh.

New York, again, leads nation in population decline: It could now lose two House seats

Population decline continues to be a problem for the Big Apple. New York could lose as many as two U.S. House seats in 2022 federal reappointment.

www.usatoday.com

.

I would guess that the primary reason people are leaving places like NY (particular the NYC metro area) are due to the incredibly high cost of housing. Decades of shitty housing policy, seeded by racism and now driven by incumbent NIMBYism has severely restricted housing supply, driving costs through the roof. Some people are just getting tired of that, especially when they realize they can live comfortably in other growing metro areas at a fraction of the cost.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Why those folks that move to TX and other red states didn't stick around in their blue states to pay their "fair" share of all those high taxes and fees that they love to champion? Uh huh.

New York, again, leads nation in population decline: It could now lose two House seats

Population decline continues to be a problem for the Big Apple. New York could lose as many as two U.S. House seats in 2022 federal reappointment.

www.usatoday.com

.

I would guess that the primary reason people are leaving places like NY (particular the NYC metro area) are due to the incredibly high cost of housing. Decades of shitty housing policy, seeded by racism and now driven by incumbent NIMBYism has severely restricted housing supply, driving costs through the roof. Some people are just getting tired of that, especially when they realize they can live comfortably in other growing metro areas at a fraction of the cost.

People say "cost of living" is the reason why people come to Texas. Its not just housing, its lower wages that support it.

If you raise the wages, you raise the cost of living. If you want more money, do something that earns it. Show up to work on fucking time. And dont show up stoned or play with your cell phone while you are supposed to be working, etc. Get more education and earn your way up!

Otherwise you are simply disrupting the system that provides us our low cost of living, state budget surpluses year after year and so on.