They probably - and rightly so - think that by sending 12ms units with the same model # to reviewers people won't bother to check whether they got a 16ms or a 12ms unit. Many probably won't, they'll more likely think they are oversensitive to the ghosting issue since proffesional reviewers couldn't notice any or that there's some cable or graphics card flaw etc. Then there is a minority of people like some of us who'll research the matter before buying and check the model # of the panel itself instead of the LCD to make sure we don't get screwed. But they'll fool enough people during and after the holidays to make sure they make the planned sales...
Hey Guys,
Just thought I'd pop my head in here. I was actually just writing about this monitor when Adul msg'ed me the link.
First of all, I was never told directly from Samsung employees but their PR made it sound like the US version is different than the European version. I wont have one for a couple week still so I'll have to independantly confirm it then.
From the press release:
Ideal for PC and online gamers, corporate and business markets and great for the home, the 172X features an ultra-fast 12-millisecond response time -- one of the fastest response times in the industry and is over twice as fast as traditional LCD monitors. The faster the response time ensures better performance of motion video, and produces smoother edges, clearer images, less eye fatigue and irritation, and a more natural image response. With its speedy response time, the monitor is perfect for multimedia-driven applications such as gaming, animation and viewing video on the Internet, significantly reducing image ghosting and jagged pixel effects.
Specifications Model 172X
Panel Type a-si TFT /TN
Size 17"
Pixel Pitch (mm) 0.264
Brightness 270cd/m2
Contrast Ratio 500:1
Viewing Angle 160o / 140o
Aspect Ratio 5:4
Response Time (ms) 12
Interface Analog / Digital
I was also told the response time was 6ms Tr and 6ms Tf. This would make 12ms. Again, I have the capability to independantly determine this when I get the sample. The monitor is an 8-bit panel (compared to AUO's 16ms 6-bit) panel. What this means is that each subpixel is capable of 2^8 intensities. This yeilds 16.7M colors. The AUO panel can only do 262,000 but achieves near 16M using dithering which doesnt look as good anyway.
I was expecting to post some initial coverage on the monitor from COMDEX but I got caught up with midterms. I have about 10 pages worth of juicy LCD news to post on which I will try to do tonight, but no promises
To be honest, I am more interested in Samsungs 193P which was also displayed at COMDEX.
Cheers,
Kristopher
Just thought I'd pop my head in here. I was actually just writing about this monitor when Adul msg'ed me the link.
First of all, I was never told directly from Samsung employees but their PR made it sound like the US version is different than the European version. I wont have one for a couple week still so I'll have to independantly confirm it then.
From the press release:
Ideal for PC and online gamers, corporate and business markets and great for the home, the 172X features an ultra-fast 12-millisecond response time -- one of the fastest response times in the industry and is over twice as fast as traditional LCD monitors. The faster the response time ensures better performance of motion video, and produces smoother edges, clearer images, less eye fatigue and irritation, and a more natural image response. With its speedy response time, the monitor is perfect for multimedia-driven applications such as gaming, animation and viewing video on the Internet, significantly reducing image ghosting and jagged pixel effects.
Specifications Model 172X
Panel Type a-si TFT /TN
Size 17"
Pixel Pitch (mm) 0.264
Brightness 270cd/m2
Contrast Ratio 500:1
Viewing Angle 160o / 140o
Aspect Ratio 5:4
Response Time (ms) 12
Interface Analog / Digital
I was also told the response time was 6ms Tr and 6ms Tf. This would make 12ms. Again, I have the capability to independantly determine this when I get the sample. The monitor is an 8-bit panel (compared to AUO's 16ms 6-bit) panel. What this means is that each subpixel is capable of 2^8 intensities. This yeilds 16.7M colors. The AUO panel can only do 262,000 but achieves near 16M using dithering which doesnt look as good anyway.
I was expecting to post some initial coverage on the monitor from COMDEX but I got caught up with midterms. I have about 10 pages worth of juicy LCD news to post on which I will try to do tonight, but no promises
To be honest, I am more interested in Samsungs 193P which was also displayed at COMDEX.
Cheers,
Kristopher
Adul
Elite Member
Speaking of LCD's... Is the Dell 1900FP/Sammy 191T a good one still? I was planning on buying one pretty soon since they have dropped in price quite a bit. I do a some gaming (prob 3 or 4 times a week) and autocad/inventor plus the usuals.
I've been drooling over this monitor since day one... is there ANY release dates or anything about this monitor? What sucks even more is it doesnt show up on Samsung Canada's site ;\
I don't like the fact that inputs are built into the base...what if you want to mount the darn thing on a wall or something?
When was the last time you mounted an LCD to the wall?
The only wall mounts I've seen were for presentation, and 120ms would have been just as good as 12ms so buying the latest & greatest would have been a waste of money.
The only wall mounts I've seen were for presentation, and 120ms would have been just as good as 12ms so buying the latest & greatest would have been a waste of money.
Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki
Hey Guys,
Just thought I'd pop my head in here. I was actually just writing about this monitor when Adul msg'ed me the link.
First of all, I was never told directly from Samsung employees but their PR made it sound like the US version is different than the European version. I wont have one for a couple week still so I'll have to independantly confirm it then.
From the press release:
Ideal for PC and online gamers, corporate and business markets and great for the home, the 172X features an ultra-fast 12-millisecond response time -- one of the fastest response times in the industry and is over twice as fast as traditional LCD monitors. The faster the response time ensures better performance of motion video, and produces smoother edges, clearer images, less eye fatigue and irritation, and a more natural image response. With its speedy response time, the monitor is perfect for multimedia-driven applications such as gaming, animation and viewing video on the Internet, significantly reducing image ghosting and jagged pixel effects.
Specifications Model 172X
Panel Type a-si TFT /TN
Size 17"
Pixel Pitch (mm) 0.264
Brightness 270cd/m2
Contrast Ratio 500:1
Viewing Angle 160o / 140o
Aspect Ratio 5:4
Response Time (ms) 12
Interface Analog / Digital
I was also told the response time was 6ms Tr and 6ms Tf. This would make 12ms. Again, I have the capability to independantly determine this when I get the sample. The monitor is an 8-bit panel (compared to AUO's 16ms 6-bit) panel. What this means is that each subpixel is capable of 2^8 intensities. This yeilds 16.7M colors. The AUO panel can only do 262,000 but achieves near 16M using dithering which doesnt look as good anyway.
I was expecting to post some initial coverage on the monitor from COMDEX but I got caught up with midterms. I have about 10 pages worth of juicy LCD news to post on which I will try to do tonight, but no promises
To be honest, I am more interested in Samsungs 193P which was also displayed at COMDEX.
Cheers,
Kristopher
any updates?
I'd really like to know this too (although I think it'll be difficult to buy a 12ms one if they have the same product code, up until they are all 12ms).
Anyway is 12ms worth the wait? It's going from 62Hz to 83hz, which isn't actually crt like flicker in any case...
Still waiting for kris to confirm that the specs are right too, can you tell i'm eager to get one!
on a side note: I found the pdf for my old applestudio lcd, which says it was a 45ms LG panel, the interesting thing was I only ever detected ghosting when vigorously scrolling the slashdot website, never in motion scenes like 3d etc, so maybe 12ms is overkill?
HeroOfPellinor
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So we basically need to wait till CES to find out if the rumors of the two different versions of the 172x are true?
HeroOfPellinor
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Just checking. I want to buy a 17in gaming LCD monitor, price no object, in the next few weeks and this is the ideal one if the 12ms response time is a reality on the new version.
Adul
Elite Member
HeroOfPellinor
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This baffles me. Why would they release an inferior version to reviewers?
In any case, I'm only waiting another 2 weeks before getting something else like the 16ms Viewsonic.
In any case, I'm only waiting another 2 weeks before getting something else like the 16ms Viewsonic.
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