I just ordered up my Hitachi 174B!
Of course, it's not in stock, but I can't wait!! Apparently, these suckers have been selling like hot cakes...
PS. Gosharkss, Thank Kim Houston for me also!
Of course, it's not in stock, but I can't wait!! Apparently, these suckers have been selling like hot cakes...
PS. Gosharkss, Thank Kim Houston for me also!
Well, this looks like a done deal, but I thought I would chime in since I have a 172T
I think its absolutely fantastic, nothing else Ive seen has come close to the crispness of the display, and the color saturation, brightness and richness of the display really takes the cake.
However, I am decidedly not a gamer. And I'll admit that I've seen some ghosting (it aint much), when I rapidly scroll through a page that has light text on a very dark background.
I've seen a LOT of LCDs, especially being around the creative industry, and going to all these vendors showcases. Its no coincidence that most of them primarily use a samsung display, the picture and sharpness are second to none. However, I don't know their gaming capability. Like I said, I'm not much of a gamer (aside from a spot of Warcraft 3).
Did I mention that your system better kick ass? Because anything other than the native resolution for these things is really quite poor.
We are looking at posting the review Tuesday. All this SIS and Barton stuff seems to be done for the week.
Dont pick on Gosharkss too much, he hooked us up with the CML174 review sample.
Kristopher
Will there be any reviews of any CTX TFT's??
I have the option of the CTX PV722E at a pretty cheap price. And the specs seem pretty good. The response time isn't as good as the Hitachi but it does have a contrast Ratio of 500:1 and i will be getting it for about $100 less than the Hitachi.
If not i think i'll just stick my neck out and get that Hitatchi *assuming the review here is good*
I have the option of the CTX PV722E at a pretty cheap price. And the specs seem pretty good. The response time isn't as good as the Hitachi but it does have a contrast Ratio of 500:1 and i will be getting it for about $100 less than the Hitachi.
If not i think i'll just stick my neck out and get that Hitatchi *assuming the review here is good*
Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki
We are looking at posting the review Tuesday. All this SIS and Barton stuff seems to be done for the week.
Dont pick on Gosharkss too much, he hooked us up with the CML174 review sample.
Kristopher
WooHoo!!!!
I'm hoping that with a good review by ya'll I'll have mine ordered by the end of the week. Of course it will be at Monitors Direct since they seem to have the best price and free shipping. Can't get any better than that. I REALLY want the black one, but if it's not in stock then I'll take the White one. I'm not THAT picky over the color, I just need to get rid of that 15" monitor and quick. LOL My eyes can only take so much of that. As the author of the thread I finally went for the 172T. I couldn't wait any longer for AT's reviews of the 2 monitors, so I went with my gut. I finally got the monitor yesterday and it's a very nice buy. No dead pixels, lit or unlit. The screen is larger than expected. As someone that promised himself that 15" displays were in the past, I see now that I probably would have been satisfied with the 152T and saving $200. I'm used to running at a modest 800x600 or 1024x768, so jumping to 12x10 is going to take some getting used to. Even after beefing up fonts, things still look small. I'm finally gonna have to get my contact perscription updated. I'm squinting. not good.
As someone else mentioned, light text over a dark background does blur when scrolling, but it's not annoying... nobody can read that fast and the image cleans up immediately when you stop. There's no LSD-like haze or anything. I've seen no leftover artifacts either. I'm not a gamer, so I haven't tried any serious games yet, but DVDs, video files, and All-In-Wonder video input are all just as good as CRT. I wouldn't say better.
The best way I can describe the video is that the screen looks like a picture you'd hang on the wall. It doesn't feel like a CRT or TV blasting light at you, even though the screen is bright and fully lit. It will definitely take some stress off your eyes... so long as you're not squinting like I am. There's my scientific analogy of the monitor.
I finally went for the 172T. I couldn't wait any longer for AT's reviews of the 2 monitors, so I went with my gut. I finally got the monitor yesterday and it's a very nice buy. No dead pixels, lit or unlit. The screen is larger than expected. As someone that promised himself that 15" displays were in the past, I see now that I probably would have been satisfied with the 152T and saving $200. I'm used to running at a modest 800x600 or 1024x768, so jumping to 12x10 is going to take some getting used to. Even after beefing up fonts, things still look small. I'm finally gonna have to get my contact perscription updated. I'm squinting. not good.As someone else mentioned, light text over a dark background does blur when scrolling, but it's not annoying... nobody can read that fast and the image cleans up immediately when you stop. There's no LSD-like haze or anything. I've seen no leftover artifacts either. I'm not a gamer, so I haven't tried any serious games yet, but DVDs, video files, and All-In-Wonder video input are all just as good as CRT. I wouldn't say better.
The best way I can describe the video is that the screen looks like a picture you'd hang on the wall. It doesn't feel like a CRT or TV blasting light at you, even though the screen is bright and fully lit. It will definitely take some stress off your eyes... so long as you're not squinting like I am. There's my scientific analogy of the monitor.
Em, I need to see this review of the CML174!...Tick tock tick tock....
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OMG my mouse pointer is hovering over the Buy Button...but which LCD?
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OMG my mouse pointer is hovering over the Buy Button...but which LCD?
Hi Everyone,
We posted the review just a few minutes ago. Have a look for yourself!
Hiatchi CML174 vs Samsung 172T
Cheers,
Kristopher
We posted the review just a few minutes ago. Have a look for yourself!
Hiatchi CML174 vs Samsung 172T
Cheers,
Kristopher
Dissapointing if you ask me, i will have to rethink my plans of getting this lcd.NEC has a 16ms(typical) monitor out and theres also the planar PX171M as competition.I dont know if or when these are getting reviewed but i cant wait much longer!
It looks as though my initial concerns held true -- the faster response time really isn't everything.
I'm glad I went with the 172T. Aside from the display quality, the monitor is just so purty.
I'm glad I went with the 172T. Aside from the display quality, the monitor is just so purty.
Well I agreed with some of the findings in this article and some I didn't. Taking into consideration I own this montior and, realizing that I will have the same reaction as others who buy something they're pretty much pleased with to find it sorta trashed in a review, I'll want to operate with a bit of denial. But, stating that, there are a few things I just don't see. Try as I might, I don't see an unevenly lit screen on mine and I don't find it handicapped (more updated term - disabled) in colors (or maybe my old monitor was so disabled in colors that it appears better - kinda doubt it). I don't care that the screen doesn't swivel left or right because, ergonomically speaking, you don't want to look at your screen at any other angle besides straight on. I do agree the blacks aren't as they should be but that has not been a problem so far as I rarely need a pure black and I also am perplexed as to why I can't switch between graphics and text. MonitorsDirect did explain to me that when you hook it up in digital mode that some osd features are not accessible because that function is automatically taken care of in the digital mode.
I had someone come over to buy my old crt from me the other day which was in the room with my new CML174, she is works as a graphic designer by profession. Without me building up or mentioning my new monitor, she commented on how nice a screen it had. Judging image quality is such a subjective thing, even when you have lnstruments that do the judging for you.
If I had waited to buy this monitor until after this review had come out, being like others who take AT as the gospel truth on things computer, I wouldn't have bought it. I'm sure a lot of people are now going to avoid it. Saying that, now if I can avoid sitting down and squinting at my screen trying to find disabled colors or an unenvenly lit screen until I convince myself that, yes, I do see that and I better go get something that AT recommends, I'm sure I'l continue to be happy with this product.
I had someone come over to buy my old crt from me the other day which was in the room with my new CML174, she is works as a graphic designer by profession. Without me building up or mentioning my new monitor, she commented on how nice a screen it had. Judging image quality is such a subjective thing, even when you have lnstruments that do the judging for you.
If I had waited to buy this monitor until after this review had come out, being like others who take AT as the gospel truth on things computer, I wouldn't have bought it. I'm sure a lot of people are now going to avoid it. Saying that, now if I can avoid sitting down and squinting at my screen trying to find disabled colors or an unenvenly lit screen until I convince myself that, yes, I do see that and I better go get something that AT recommends, I'm sure I'l continue to be happy with this product.
I just finished reading the review, I'll read it again tonight just to make sure I didn't miss anything important. The Samsung 172 and the Hitachi CML174 were the two monitors I was looking at and I'm glad that the review did comparisons of the two. Did the review persuade me NOT to buy it? No it didn't. While I'm a little disappointed about the colors not being as vibrant, I'll have to read the review on Toms Hardware again and see if they say anything about that, I'm colorblind anyway so I most likely would'nt notice. LOL Really I am colorblind, I have problems distinguishing some dark colors and some light colors, so I most likely wouldn't notice it too much. I guess what sold me on this monitor, I think so anyway, was the gaming test. I do play Unlreal Tournament, Battlefield 1942 and alot of first person shooters and I was pleased to see that the 16ms response time was very good with games. I'm not the person to scrutinize and analyze every little blur and color distortion. If was extremely bad to the point that is was unsatisfactory, I'm sure that they would have told me so.. in regards to the colors.
I'm still sitting on the fence though, while I would love to get me an LCD I was also thinking about waiting and just getting me another CRT monitor. If I do go LCD, the Hitachi it will be.... I was pretty much sold on that one. I do however would like to hear others and their opinions on the reivew and the others that have this monitor.
I'm still sitting on the fence though, while I would love to get me an LCD I was also thinking about waiting and just getting me another CRT monitor. If I do go LCD, the Hitachi it will be.... I was pretty much sold on that one. I do however would like to hear others and their opinions on the reivew and the others that have this monitor.
jshine
As we pointed out in the review, they are all the same OEM, so we can expect to see the same things. =)
filmore crashcart
The problems we had with the OSD occur when we are not allowed to modify some features when the monitor is in digital OR analog mode.
Nevertheless, we mentioned this monitor did a good job at gaming. That is the audience it is designed for, and there really is nothing better on the market right now for that function. Six and seven months down the line you can be sure that we will see 30 manufacturers with 16ms (or lower) response time units, but if you constantly insist on waiting for technology to get cheaper and faster, you are going to be stuck with a P200 for a long time!
Given some of the problems with the monitor, we still recommend it a buy if you are a gamer.
Cheers,
Kristopher
As we pointed out in the review, they are all the same OEM, so we can expect to see the same things. =)
filmore crashcart
The problems we had with the OSD occur when we are not allowed to modify some features when the monitor is in digital OR analog mode.
Nevertheless, we mentioned this monitor did a good job at gaming. That is the audience it is designed for, and there really is nothing better on the market right now for that function. Six and seven months down the line you can be sure that we will see 30 manufacturers with 16ms (or lower) response time units, but if you constantly insist on waiting for technology to get cheaper and faster, you are going to be stuck with a P200 for a long time!
Given some of the problems with the monitor, we still recommend it a buy if you are a gamer.
Cheers,
Kristopher
Whew, I'm glad I chose the right LCD....
But then again I've seen lot of these things, and the Samsungs really do have the better picture. Better moving pictures, maybe not.
I think if anything the review makes it rather obvious, if you are looking for a good display, the Samsung is the way to go. If you are looking for a gaming display then the Hitachi is the way to go. I don't think anyone should regret their purchase if their needs were met by their particular monitor.
Besides, as you flipping through a game at a bazillion fps, will you really take notice of shades of red being off?
KristopherKubicki
your telling me that every 16 ms lcd out right now will have the exact same color quality and problems?.I was assuming NEC would be a safe buy becuase of theyr solid name more so than the hitachi.
UnSean
i read your post, which crt's are your comparing the hitachi against?
what color is the hitachi's power LED your complaining about?
and do you have any other LCD you can compare it to or is this the first one youve seen?
for anyone interested heres the NEC, http://www.necmitsubishi.com/products/home/ProductDetail.cfm?product_id=266&division=NEC
monitorsdirect along with nearly every other online store lists it as a 25ms monitor but NEC says 16ms, thats why ive been reluctant on buying it
and heres the planar, http://www.planar.com/monitors/PX171M.asp
i will probably end up getting one of these 3 next week.
your telling me that every 16 ms lcd out right now will have the exact same color quality and problems?.I was assuming NEC would be a safe buy becuase of theyr solid name more so than the hitachi.
UnSean
i read your post, which crt's are your comparing the hitachi against?
what color is the hitachi's power LED your complaining about?
and do you have any other LCD you can compare it to or is this the first one youve seen?
for anyone interested heres the NEC, http://www.necmitsubishi.com/products/home/ProductDetail.cfm?product_id=266&division=NEC
monitorsdirect along with nearly every other online store lists it as a 25ms monitor but NEC says 16ms, thats why ive been reluctant on buying it
and heres the planar, http://www.planar.com/monitors/PX171M.asp
i will probably end up getting one of these 3 next week.
jshine:
All 16ms response time LCD's on the market right now are based on the same AUO substrate (although, I do not know about the NEC panel. I have a confrence call with them later today so I will ask).
The PL171M is identical to the Hitachi CML174 as far as the screen itself is concerned. They may use some different circuitry to produce slightly different Gamma on the monitor, but we are pretty certain we will yeild the same results in the long run.
Name means very little in the computer industry =) OEM is much more important, as a lot of 'manufacturers' switch OEM components on a whim.
Kristopher
KristopherKubicki,
Can you also ask them if the 1760NX is a true 16MS (12ms rise, 4ms fall) like the hitachi?
thank you
Like any review, usually we bring up discrepancies with a product to the manufacturer. There are no surprises in a review to the manufacturer. For example, if we post an ASUS CDRW review, and ASUS sees a problem that may be the result of a faulty product, they will send us another one no questions asked. Evan (our motherboard editor) knows this all too well as several of the boards he recieves from Taiwan have problems (long shipping, beta drivers, etc).
Furthermore, we confirmed the problems with screen uniformity on other CML174s we obtained without the aid of Hitachi. Most of the email feedback we recieved claimed our review was right on the money. If enough people say we got a bad unit or maybe something was incorrect in the manner that we tested the CML174, I will not hesitate to do another review.
Hope that helps,
Kristopher
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Yep, that review seems on the mark.
I would have been surprised if a first run 16 ms screen would have had the same colour fidelity as my 172T. The Samsung's colours are simply outstanding. Who knows what Xmas will bring though of course. Faster response times from Samsung? Better colours from Hitachi? One can only hope.... I may want a second TFT.
As for blurriness with fast motion, I agree that the Samsung 172T's response times can be improved. This is most easily noticed on dark backgrounds even with just scrolling text (esp. certain colours) very quickly, eg. such as at the AVS Forums. However, with black text on light backgrounds, I virtually never notice it. It's good that AT falls into this latter category. Furthermore, I also agree with the comments about DVD. I don't notice this issue when I watch DVD movie scenes on the Samsung 172T for whatever reason, even if the movie has lots of dark scenes.
So, it seems like the best general advice is Hitachi for gamers and Samsung for most everyone else, with exceptions of course.
I would have been surprised if a first run 16 ms screen would have had the same colour fidelity as my 172T. The Samsung's colours are simply outstanding. Who knows what Xmas will bring though of course. Faster response times from Samsung? Better colours from Hitachi? One can only hope.... I may want a second TFT.
As for blurriness with fast motion, I agree that the Samsung 172T's response times can be improved. This is most easily noticed on dark backgrounds even with just scrolling text (esp. certain colours) very quickly, eg. such as at the AVS Forums. However, with black text on light backgrounds, I virtually never notice it. It's good that AT falls into this latter category.
Furthermore, I also agree with the comments about DVD. I don't notice this issue when I watch DVD movie scenes on the Samsung 172T for whatever reason, even if the movie has lots of dark scenes.So, it seems like the best general advice is Hitachi for gamers and Samsung for most everyone else, with exceptions of course.
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