Same sex marriage

[nehalem256]

That's a good point. Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's correct. More on topic and along the line of your last point: it seems to me that the vast majority of people who oppose gay marriage are doing so from a position of oppression based on religion. I know there are people who don't fit that mold, but it's unnerving how many people want to suppress the rights of other people because of a religion that the other person isn't forced to follow. Nothing about it makes any sense.

To see how stupid this argument is. Name one country of a non-traditionally christian religion that has legal same-sex marriage :hmm:

 

[SlowSpyder]

You people arguing for gay marriage are misguided. I feel sorry for the arguments you have made.

I am not gay but all for gay marriage. How am I misguided?

 

[SlowSpyder]

To see how stupid this argument is. Name one country of a non-traditionally christian religion that has legal same-sex marriage :hmm:

Not sure what non-traditionally christian means, but...

http://theweek.com/article/index/242703/11-countries-where-gay-marriage-is-legal

 

[nehalem256]

Not sure what non-traditionally christian means, but...

http://theweek.com/article/index/242703/11-countries-where-gay-marriage-is-legal

By not traditionally Christian I mean a country that either practices, or has historically practiced(to account for secularization of European countries) a non-Christian faith. Such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Shintoism, etc.

Don't think any of those countries make the cut.

Which pretty neatly cuts the argument that opposition to same-sex marriage is about forcing Christian values on others.

 

[DrPizza]

Well except for the gay couples suing florists, photographers, and bakers to force them to participate in their weddings you mean...

We don't let florists, photographers, and bakers decide not to pay social security taxes, because they don't like those taxes. We don't allow florists, photographers, and bakers to have 12 year old children working 16 hours a day for them. If you choose to be a florist, photographer, or baker, you accept the rules set forth for businesses. Just like the rules regarding the payment of taxes, you don't get to chose to ignore the rules you don't like. If one of those rules, as a business that serves the public, is that you can't discriminate against the public, that's YOUR choice, not the public's choice for some particular trait that they possess.

If a car dealership said that "we don't like women drivers" and refused to sell cars to women, you believe that when a woman sued the dealership over this, that it's the woman, not the car dealership who first chose to wrong the other party?

 

[nehalem256]

We don't let florists, photographers, and bakers decide not to pay social security taxes, because they don't like those taxes. We don't allow florists, photographers, and bakers to have 12 year old children working 16 hours a day for them. If you choose to be a florist, photographer, or baker, you accept the rules set forth for businesses. Just like the rules regarding the payment of taxes, you don't get to chose to ignore the rules you don't like. If one of those rules, as a business that serves the public, is that you can't discriminate against the public, that's YOUR choice, not the public's choice for some particular trait that they possess.

If a car dealership said that "we don't like women drivers" and refused to sell cars to women, you believe that when a woman sued the dealership over this, that it's the woman, not the car dealership who first chose to wrong the other party?

So you are saying that if gay people push for laws forcing florists, bakers, photographers to serve their events that they are not trying to push their beliefs on others?

Because that was your claim:

They're not invading YOUR space, telling you what you can and can't do

I would say that the woman in question is forcing her beliefs on the other.

 

[Retro Rob]

We don't let florists, photographers, and bakers decide not to pay social security taxes, because they don't like those taxes. We don't allow florists, photographers, and bakers to have 12 year old children working 16 hours a day for them. If you choose to be a florist, photographer, or baker, you accept the rules set forth for businesses. Just like the rules regarding the payment of taxes, you don't get to chose to ignore the rules you don't like. If one of those rules, as a business that serves the public, is that you can't discriminate against the public, that's YOUR choice, not the public's choice for some particular trait that they possess.

If a car dealership said that "we don't like women drivers" and refused to sell cars to women, you believe that when a woman sued the dealership over this, that it's the woman, not the car dealership who first chose to wrong the other party?

Not liking women drivers isn't against any religious tenet in this country that I am aware of, so you don't have to worry about that.

 

[z1ggy]

So you are saying that if gay people push for laws forcing florists, bakers, photographers to serve their events that they are not trying to push their beliefs on others?

Because that was your claim:


I would say that the woman in question is forcing her beliefs on the other.

Her belief that she has the legal right to drive a car???? LOL wtf is this a joke?? My word, thank god I don't know people in real life who are this dumb.

I've been lurking this clusterfvck of a thread for a while now, but I had to comment on that insanity, lol.. yiiiiikes.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Not liking women drivers isn't against any religious tenet in this country that I am aware of, so you don't have to worry about that.

But the religious reason for claiming to be able to discriminate based on christianity doesn't make sense to me. According to your holy book, we're all sinners, condemned from eve being convinced from a talking snake to eat a piece of fruit. So, we're ALL sinners. Gay people are sinners. Liars are sinners. Every christian man, woman, and child, no matter how good and moral of a life they think they lead, are sinners. A christian baker would still serve me, even though I'm a sinner. If he's not serving all sinners, he's discriminating.

 

[SMOGZINN]

By not traditionally Christian I mean a country that either practices, or has historically practiced(to account for secularization of European countries) a non-Christian faith. Such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Shintoism, etc.

Don't think any of those countries make the cut.

Which pretty neatly cuts the argument that opposition to same-sex marriage is about forcing Christian values on others.

Nearly all of the Native American nations allow for same sex marriage. It has always been a part of their religion that spirits of one sex can inhabit bodies of the other.

 

[dank69]

Her belief that she has the legal right to drive a car???? LOL wtf is this a joke?? My word, thank god I don't know people in real life who are this dumb.

I've been lurking this clusterfvck of a thread for a while now, but I had to comment on that insanity, lol.. yiiiiikes.

This your first ride on the Nehalem "Insane Train"?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Why does the government have any say in which consenting adults may be married or not in the first place? Why should I have to get permission to marry my girlfriend in the first place? It seems like one of the least useful roles of government I can think of.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Why does the government have any say in which consenting adults may be married or not in the first place? Why should I have to get permission to marry my girlfriend in the first place? It seems like one of the least useful roles of government I can think of.

You should lurk less and post more, you sound smart so far. :thumbsup:

 

[nehalem256]

Her belief that she has the legal right to drive a car???? LOL wtf is this a joke?? My word, thank god I don't know people in real life who are this dumb.

I've been lurking this clusterfvck of a thread for a while now, but I had to comment on that insanity, lol.. yiiiiikes.

Her belief that it is acceptable to drive a car. A belief I agree with.

Nearly all of the Native American nations allow for same sex marriage. It has always been a part of their religion that spirits of one sex can inhabit bodies of the other.

You appear to be confusing transgender with homosexuality. Try again bro.

 

[nehalem256]

Why does the government have any say in which consenting adults may be married or not in the first place? Why should I have to get permission to marry my girlfriend in the first place? It seems like one of the least useful roles of government I can think of.

Because you are demanding the government recognize your marriage.

Nothing keeps you from holding a marriage ceremony between you an any person/place/thing you desire. Just don't expect the government, or anyone else, to recognize it.

Don't want the government involved in your personal life. Then don't go down to a government office and demand they become involved in it.

 

[z1ggy]

This your first ride on the Nehalem "Insane Train"?

No, I know he's an extreme conservative, which is all fine and dandy. Thinking that a woman is "pushing her beliefs" on a person who won't sell something to her simply based on the fact she is a woman and nothing else, is seriously straight up coo-coo for coco puffs retarded.

Didn't know his train left from that crazy of a station.

Her belief that it is acceptable to drive a car. A belief I agree with.



You appear to be confusing transgender with homosexuality. Try again bro.

Except, said woman shows up with A VALID DRIVERS LICENSE FROM THE STATE which gives her the right to drive, not some "choice" she made.

AKA stfu you're reaching for straws.

 

[nageov3t]

Sure, I buy that completely, but as soon as the recessive gene expresses itself and the person only desires to have same sex relationships, it stops propagating to offspring, at least in this simplistic model.

it seems weird to think of it in such binary terms.

at least in my experience, sexuality is more of a scale than a yes/no... there are people who are only attracted to girls, people who are predominantly attracted to girls but maybe enjoy sex with guy once in awhile, people who will fuck anyone they can, etc.

 

[MrPickins]

You people arguing for gay marriage are misguided. I feel sorry for the arguments you have made.

Yeah... You should feel sorry for the 'arguments" you have made.

Troll.

 

[MrPickins]

It is an invented concept.

So is heterosexual marriage. :hmm:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Why does the government have any say in which consenting adults may be married or not in the first place? Why should I have to get permission to marry my girlfriend in the first place? It seems like one of the least useful roles of government I can think of.

Because narrow-minded idiots keep trying to pass laws limiting marriage to only heterosexual couples.

 

[MrPickins]

You appear to be confusing transgender with homosexuality. Try again bro.

Says the guy with no real understanding of human sexuality.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Except it isn't a civil rights issue. There is no right to same-sex marriage. It is an invented concept. You can't pull something out of your ass and call it a right.

And even same-sex marriage supporters basically admit this. By claiming that gays are being discriminated against by traditional marriage they are flat out admitting that sex is central to the idea of marriage. Anyone with a modicum of sense can see why heterosexual relationships are, and always have been, regarded differently by society than homosexual ones.

The courts seem to disagree with you.

 

[SMOGZINN]

You appear to be confusing transgender with homosexuality. Try again bro.

Nope, they allow for both equally. In their eyes a homosexual is similar to transgenderism. It is a cultural effect driven by religious belief, so does not have to make sense. But it answers you question nicely. A nation that allows homosexual marriage that is not Christian.

 

[nageov3t]

in a perfect world, marriage wouldn't even exist as a government-recognized union, but the horse is already out of the barn on that one and I don't see it changing in any of our lifetimes.

 

[MrPickins]

in a perfect world, marriage wouldn't even exist as a government-recognized union

I wouldn't go so far as to say that.

Marriage serves a lot of purposes in society.