Salon article, not and alt right site. Bernie had a real shot in fact would have won.

[Hayabusa Rider]

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/05/yes...urgent-left-wing-populism-is-the-way-forward/

I agree.

 

[Victorian Gray]

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/05/yes...urgent-left-wing-populism-is-the-way-forward/

I agree.

It's good to have dreams.

 

[agent00f]

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/05/yes...urgent-left-wing-populism-is-the-way-forward/

I agree.

Sanders fans believing he would've won is exactly why fair and balanced sorts concern troll.

 

[crashtech]

It sure would have been more interesting. I don't know if he was more electable, but I think he had what it took to be President.

 

[agent00f]

It sure would have been more interesting. I don't know if he was more electable, but I think he had what it took to be President.

Another case in point.

 

[crashtech]

Another case in point.

Fuck off, anklebiter.

 

[agent00f]

Fuck off, anklebiter.

Truth hurts.

 

[crashtech]

Truth hurts.

I know, sucks to be you.

 

[ivwshane]

Well, if you believe right wingers, they would have voted for Bernie over trump. How many people here believe right wingers?

 

[agent00f]

I know, sucks to be you.

Blustering is not a good cover for butthurt.

 

[nickqt]

No one will ever know if he would have won.

 

[agent00f]

No one will ever know if he would have won.

Certainly true, but then conservatives were/are literally telling democrats to run sanders over clinton, which should reveal something.

 

[nickqt]

Certainly true, but then conservatives were/are literally telling democrats to run sanders over clinton, which should reveal something.

First off, I voted for Sanders in my state's Primary, and think he was just as good of a candidate as Clinton. Well, a better candidate in terms of policy and bringing in younger people. Literally not as good a candidate as Clinton in actually getting voters to come out and vote. Right? Right.

That said, objectively, no one can ever and will never know if Sanders would have beat Trump.

And, to be fair, many Democrats were licking their chops at going up against Trump, and look how that turned out, so the very fact that Republicans were begging Democrats to run Sanders doesn't necessarily mean that they would have won against him...which they won anyway against the candidate who you think had the better chance.

Don't forget, Master Limbaugh argued that Obama was the weaker Democrat in 2008. Do you think Clinton would have won larger EC/popular vote margins than Clinton in 2008?

 

[crashtech]

I perceived him as being less authoritarian than Clinton, which would have been a big plus. Then again, my perception of him might have been off, since the overtly socialist policies he embraced would have required a more authoritarian state to administer. Somehow I imagined he would have to moderate on a lot of that, though, leaving him looking like actually the most libertarian candidate that stood a chance.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I perceived him as being less authoritarian than Clinton, which would have been a big plus. Then again, my perception of him might have been off, since the overtly socialist policies he embraced would have required a more authoritarian state to administer. Somehow I imagined he would have to moderate on a lot of that, though, leaving him looking like actually the most libertarian candidate that stood a chance.

The advantage of Bernie would be to push for policies which benefit others than the wealthy plus he wasn't owned by the same corporate interests which made Hillary a millionaire many times over. His more extreme policies would not have gotten through since there would have been no overt Republican support and not so much with Dems. The latter though would have to make positive moves though or be seen to be entirely a sham organization.

Just having the bully pulpit would have been worth it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Well, if you believe right wingers, they would have voted for Bernie over trump. How many people here believe right wingers?

First, that's the wrong question. The right question is how many people who voted for Trump -- independents and Obama voters, for example -- would have voted for Sanders instead, and how many liberals who stayed home would have voted for Sanders?

As far as right wingers are concerned, I know at least two IRL who liked Sanders, if only because they felt he had integrity. Like many conservatives, they weren't fans of Trump and they hated Clinton. They said they would have voted for Sanders, and I have no reason to doubt them. While I know too many people vote solely on party, not everyone does.

Edit: I agree this doesn't prove Sanders would have won, however.

 

[crashtech]

The advantage of Bernie would be to push for policies which benefit others than the wealthy plus he wasn't owned by the same corporate interests which made Hillary a millionaire many times over. His more extreme policies would not have gotten through since there would have been no overt Republican support and not so much with Dems. The latter though would have to make positive moves though or be seen to be entirely a sham organization.

Just having the bully pulpit would have been worth it.

I might have actually voted for him, if for no other reason than to poke the establishment in the eye.

 

[Bowfinger]

The advantage of Bernie would be to push for policies which benefit others than the wealthy plus he wasn't owned by the same corporate interests which made Hillary a millionaire many times over. His more extreme policies would not have gotten through since there would have been no overt Republican support and not so much with Dems. The latter though would have to make positive moves though or be seen to be entirely a sham organization.

Just having the bully pulpit would have been worth it.

This, exactly. Trump has shown us that POTUS has tremendous influence on the conversation, even if he isn't an emperor who can force Congress to implement his more extreme ideas.

 

[agent00f]

First off, I voted for Sanders in my state's Primary, and think he was just as good of a candidate as Clinton. Well, a better candidate in terms of policy and bringing in younger people. Literally not as good a candidate as Clinton in actually getting voters to come out and vote. Right? Right.

That said, objectively, no one can ever and will never know if Sanders would have beat Trump.

And, to be fair, many Democrats were licking their chops at going up against Trump, and look how that turned out, so the very fact that Republicans were begging Democrats to run Sanders doesn't necessarily mean that they would have won against him...which they won anyway against the candidate who you think had the better chance.

Don't forget, Master Limbaugh argued that Obama was the weaker Democrat in 2008. Do you think Clinton would have won larger EC/popular vote margins than Clinton in 2008?

I don't disagree with any of this, just pointing out that it's pretty clear conservatives had a preferred candidate to run against. Also telling is the way this charade continues with praise of Sanders while dismissing the tangibles he stood for. Eg:

 

[crashtech]

It's a mistake to think people really wanted Trump. Hatred of Clinton drove the result as much as anything.

 

[agent00f]

I perceived him as being less authoritarian than Clinton, which would have been a big plus. Then again, my perception of him might have been off, since the overtly socialist policies he embraced would have required a more authoritarian state to administer. Somehow I imagined he would have to moderate on a lot of that, though, leaving him looking like actually the most libertarian candidate that stood a chance.

First, that's the wrong question. The right question is how many people who voted for Trump -- independents and Obama voters, for example -- would have voted for Sanders instead, and how many liberals who stayed home would have voted for Sanders?

As far as right wingers are concerned, I know at least two IRL who liked Sanders, if only because they felt he had integrity. Like many conservatives, they weren't fans of Trump and they hated Clinton. They said they would have voted for Sanders, and I have no reason to doubt them. While I know too many people vote solely on party, not everyone does.

I might have actually voted for him, if for no other reason than to poke the establishment in the eye.

"It's really too bad the socialist didn't prevail, I totally know like 10 degens just like me who would've voted for him" --degens

 

[crashtech]

"It's really too bad the socialist didn't prevail, I totally know like 10 republicans just like me who would've voted for him" --degens

It's getting kind of fun knowing that you will ALWAYS reply to my posts! You're kind of like a pet that way.

 

[Jhhnn]

No one will ever know if he would have won.

And there it is. The rest is mostly concern trolling to tear down the Democrats & Bernie bros buying into the same lame-ass shit that doesn't matter any more. Bickering over the past gets us nowhere, & that's just where the right wing wants us to go.

 

[Victorian Gray]

If Bernie Sanders is a socialist and

Then that would really have been a heck of an election.


It really is good to have dreams but don't lose track of reality.

 

[agent00f]

It's getting kind of fun knowing that you will ALWAYS reply to my posts! You're kind of like a pet that way.

You're a useful tool to illustrate the point, not dissimilar to a number of your peers.