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Sales tax on electricity?

bignateyk said:
Wow. I pay like 8 cents per KWH here in rural PA.
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after taxes and fees?

The rate on my bill was only 8 cents for the first ~40 kwh, ~6 cents for the rest, but then you add distribution, "regulatory charges", sales tax and all the other line item bullshit, it comes out to just under 16 cents per.
 
Train said:
after taxes and fees?

The rate on my bill was only 8 cents for the first ~40 kwh, ~6 cents for the rest, but then you add distribution, "regulatory charges", sales tax and all the other line item bullshit, it comes out to just under 16 cents per.
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Yeah. I added up my final bill and divided by my total KWH and it came out to about 8 cents per KWH.
 
Fuck...our base electricity rate in the summer is over 16 cents for the first 500Kw and over 18 cents after that...BEFORE all the bullshit taxes, regulatory fees, and other shit they hit us with.

I've finally gotten to the point where Happiness will be California in the rear view mirror.
 
After all the taxes and regulatory fees are all said and done here in Ontario, they're more than the actual usage. Previously we just had to pay the 5% federal sales tax on top of that but the province decided we weren't poor enough and tacked on the 8% sales tax. Previously necessities were exempt from the provincial sales tax.

I'll have to dig out my bill when I get home tonight to see how that figures into rate. Needless to say we pay a lot, much of it goes to pork green energy products and useless civil servants making million dollar salaries.
 
As soon as your fellow moron Michiganders pass the 25x25 (25% renewable by 2025) constitutional amendment (don't get me started), your rates are going to go up even more. Enjoy.
 
rcpratt said:
As soon as your fellow moron Michiganders pass the 25x25 (25% renewable by 2025) constitutional amendment (don't get me started), your rates are going to go up even more. Enjoy.
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Sounds like another pork project where friends of the politicians make out like bandits.

If MI were smart they would just build another nuke plant instead of buying 2 train loads of coal from WV every single day.

Ooops, did I get you started?
 
California passed a similar law. It USED to be 20% by 2020, but Governor Moonbeam recently signed a law requiring 33% by 2020.
I get my electricity from a "public utility" and have no options for buying "outside power," and our rates have more than doubled in the past 15 years...and we've been told another rate increase is on the way.
 
Train said:
Sounds like another pork project where friends of the politicians make out like bandits.

If MI were smart they would just build another nuke plant instead of buying 2 train loads of coal from WV every single day.

Ooops, did I get you started?
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Almost, but I can resist.

I work for DTE, and as much as everyone here would like rates lower (customer affordability is the "theme" this year), bullshit renewable requirements make that impossible. O HEY, come build some wind turbines that effectively cost 3x as much as coal, gas, or nuclear. Great idea.

I guess I didn't resist.

BoomerD said:
California passed a similar law. It USED to be 20% by 2020, but Governor Moonbeam recently signed a law requiring 33% by 2020.
I get my electricity from a "public utility" and have no options for buying "outside power," and our rates have more than doubled in the past 15 years...and we've been told another rate increase is on the way.
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This isn't even a just law, it's a constitutional amendment. Ridiculous.

But yeah, the entire bill is sponsored by out-of-state groups who simply want to profit under the guise of becoming more "green" (at a ridiculous cost) and creating jobs (they claim 95k in the state, which, while it would be a good line at a comedy club, is also ridiculous. Wind turbine manufacturers are laying people off right now, not hiring).

Sorry, this is totally off-topic.
 
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rcpratt said:
As soon as your fellow moron Michiganders pass the 25x25 (25% renewable by 2025) constitutional amendment (don't get me started), your rates are going to go up even more. Enjoy.
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LOL, I have 100% renewable down here in Texas for a little over $.08/kwh. I wasn't forced into it, it was offered by my current provider when I told them I was going to look elsewhere if they couldn't give me a better price. Their best rate was on 100% renewable. Go figure. Thank you deregulation.
 
CPA said:
LOL, I have 100% renewable down here in Texas for a little over $.08/kwh. I wasn't forced into it, it was offered by my current provider when I told them I was going to look elsewhere if they couldn't give me a better price. Their best rate was on 100% renewable. Go figure. Thank you deregulation.
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Probably $0.35/kWh before subsidies. It all comes back around...
 
CPA said:
No, no subsidies down here that I'm aware of, unless they're federal. It helps we have huge Windmill farms in West Texas.
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Of course there are federal subsidies. No windmill in this world has ever been efficient enough to provide $0.08/kWh power.

Curious as to how you get your "100% renewable power" when the wind stops blowing and the sun stops shining, too :hmm:
 
rcpratt said:
Of course there are federal subsidies. No windmill in this world has ever been efficient enough to provide $0.08/kWh power.

Curious as to how you get your "100% renewable power" when the wind stops blowing and the sun stops shining, too :hmm:
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I always though the idea of paying extra for "green" power was silly. I mean does the Electric company run a special green only power line?
 
All the junk fees annoy me. GA Power is building some kind of nuclear plant so every month I'm paying some kind of nuclear plant construction fee. And I don't think the fee is fixed but scales with the bill.
 
ponyo said:
All the junk fees annoy me. GA Power is building some kind of nuclear plant so every month I'm paying some kind of nuclear plant construction fee. And I don't think the fee is fixed but scales with the bill.
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Kind of makes sense...doesn't it? Curious how much that Vogtle 3/4 fee is though.
 
rcpratt said:
Curious as to how you get your "100% renewable power" when the wind stops blowing and the sun stops shining, too :hmm:
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There's plenty of ways to store surplus clean enery, aside from batteries used to ease the constant fluctuation, some places feed the extra electricity into water pumps that move water from a lower resevoir to a higher one. Then when extra electricity is needed, let the water run back down hill, adding hyrdo electric power in place of wind/solar.
 
Train said:
There's plenty of ways to store surplus clean enery, aside from batteries used to ease the constant fluctuation, some places feed the extra electricity into water pumps that move water from a lower resevoir to a higher one. Then when extra electricity is needed, let the water run back down hill, adding hyrdo electric power in place of wind/solar.
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Sure...but I doubt that CPA's provider is 100% based on wind, solar, and pumped storage.
 
CPA said:
LOL, I have 100% renewable down here in Texas for a little over $.08/kwh. I wasn't forced into it, it was offered by my current provider when I told them I was going to look elsewhere if they couldn't give me a better price. Their best rate was on 100% renewable. Go figure. Thank you deregulation.
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Enjot it while it lasts
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/article/Texas-PUC-votes-to-raise-cap-50-3671505.php
50% increase in whole sale prices in 2012, and talking about tripling prices by 2013.
 
rcpratt said:
Sure...but I doubt that CPA's provider is 100% based on wind, solar, and pumped storage.
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According to the Electricity Facts Label for my plan it is 100% wind. Of course, the provider can purchase excess distribution from other providers.
 
rcpratt said:
Sure...but I doubt that CPA's provider is 100% based on wind, solar, and pumped storage.
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If they claim it is "100% renewable" I'd probably take their word for it. I doubt they would have went long without being sued for lying about it.

I'd imagie the amount of people in the US covered by 100% renewable is quite small, and is probably even rarer if not at least partly supplied by hydro electric, like those living right next too Hoover dam.
 
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