Salary caps in sports...

[CrazyDe1]

So I was thinking is there something in place that says you can't pay someone off the record?

Example scenario:

Let's say I sign a huge free agent like Tim Duncan in the offseason to a 1 million dollar a year salary and allowing me to sign tons of good players. At the same time, I tell this free agent that he can come to my house and mow my lawn and I will pay him 25 million *wink wink*. So, in effect, he's being paid 26 million...more than any other player in the NBA. This also doesn't count against the salary cap. Is there any way to prove that you paid him to be on your team? If they questioned it you could say he provided you a service that you thought was worth 25 million....

 

[Shockwave]

I think its all crap. The salary cap should be around 300,000 or so IMO. Maybe a touch more, but certainly not in the millions.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
I think its all crap. The salary cap should be around 300,000 or so IMO. Maybe a touch more, but certainly not in the millions.

that'll definnitely keep the cost of going to the games down.

more sell out crowds

more interest

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
I think its all crap. The salary cap should be around 300,000 or so IMO. Maybe a touch more, but certainly not in the millions.

If you are talented then start playing. If not, you are just a jealous bastard with a small penis.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Shockwave
I think its all crap. The salary cap should be around 300,000 or so IMO. Maybe a touch more, but certainly not in the millions.

that'll definnitely keep the cost of going to the games down.

more sell out crowds

more interest

True, but my take is the extra proceeds should be donated to public works...ie...schools. It really REALLY pisses me off to no end to know the guy who's only real skill in life is to throw or catch or dribble is paid millions to amuse some fat bastard who wants to sit on the couch and relive the glory days, while at the same time our school teachers get paid crap to educate our children, the future of America. And all the while the fat bastard is complaining about both high taxes (Which covers alot of school costs) as well as complaining about the fact the educational system of America sucks. Well gee...Lets have our cake and eat it to....

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Shockwave
I think its all crap. The salary cap should be around 300,000 or so IMO. Maybe a touch more, but certainly not in the millions.

that'll definnitely keep the cost of going to the games down.

more sell out crowds

more interest

True, but my take is the extra proceeds should be donated to public works...ie...schools. It really REALLY pisses me off to no end to know the guy who's only real skill in life is to throw or catch or dribble is paid millions to amuse some fat bastard who wants to sit on the couch and relive the glory days, while at the same time our school teachers get paid crap to educate our children, the future of America. And all the while the fat bastard is complaining about both high taxes (Which covers alot of school costs) as well as complaining about the fact the educational system of America sucks. Well gee...Lets have our cake and eat it to....

Then move to France. No one is keeping your socialist ass here.

 

[CrazyDe1]

heh...look what I started...

Sure, I think they are overpayed...but then you have to think if you are really really good at something and have a skill that no one else has, you get paid accordingly. Now, a teacher is probably more valuable to society, but a lot of people can be teachers. It doesn't take a whole lot of natural talent to be a teacher(I've had some terrible teachers). if you were the one person who knew one specific subject in the world and it was something that was necessary then I bet you'd get paid that much too.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Shockwave
I think its all crap. The salary cap should be around 300,000 or so IMO. Maybe a touch more, but certainly not in the millions.

that'll definnitely keep the cost of going to the games down.

more sell out crowds

more interest

True, but my take is the extra proceeds should be donated to public works...ie...schools. It really REALLY pisses me off to no end to know the guy who's only real skill in life is to throw or catch or dribble is paid millions to amuse some fat bastard who wants to sit on the couch and relive the glory days, while at the same time our school teachers get paid crap to educate our children, the future of America. And all the while the fat bastard is complaining about both high taxes (Which covers alot of school costs) as well as complaining about the fact the educational system of America sucks. Well gee...Lets have our cake and eat it to....

I also would like world peace and harmony for all mankind, and white doves to fly freely in our world today.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: BOBBY RIBS

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Shockwave
I think its all crap. The salary cap should be around 300,000 or so IMO. Maybe a touch more, but certainly not in the millions.

that'll definnitely keep the cost of going to the games down.

more sell out crowds

more interest

True, but my take is the extra proceeds should be donated to public works...ie...schools. It really REALLY pisses me off to no end to know the guy who's only real skill in life is to throw or catch or dribble is paid millions to amuse some fat bastard who wants to sit on the couch and relive the glory days, while at the same time our school teachers get paid crap to educate our children, the future of America. And all the while the fat bastard is complaining about both high taxes (Which covers alot of school costs) as well as complaining about the fact the educational system of America sucks. Well gee...Lets have our cake and eat it to....

I also would like world peace and harmony for all mankind, and white doves to fly freely in our world today.

Would you like my mother's love too?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
heh...look what I started...

Sure, I think they are overpayed...but then you have to think if you are really really good at something and have a skill that no one else has, you get paid accordingly. Now, a teacher is probably more valuable to society, but a lot of people can be teachers. It doesn't take a whole lot of natural talent to be a teacher(I've had some terrible teachers). if you were the one person who knew one specific subject in the world and it was something that was necessary then I bet you'd get paid that much too.

No, I understand what you were trying to do with this thread. You wanted a discussion on the Salary cap and the like. Too bad Shockwave couldn't stand that and had to interject with his little socialist-grab-my-ankles-and-fvck-me mantra.

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
So I was thinking is there something in place that says you can't pay someone off the record?

Example scenario:

Let's say I sign a huge free agent like Tim Duncan in the offseason to a 1 million dollar a year salary and allowing me to sign tons of good players. At the same time, I tell this free agent that he can come to my house and mow my lawn and I will pay him 25 million *wink wink*. So, in effect, he's being paid 26 million...more than any other player in the NBA. This also doesn't count against the salary cap. Is there any way to prove that you paid him to be on your team? If they questioned it you could say he provided you a service that you thought was worth 25 million....

Pretty much the same concept of paying wages under the table. If you get caught though...you're pretty screwed. I'm sure the NBA implements fines if they get caught doing that.

 

[SaigonK]

Let's see p[ay athletes who mostly have NO education a shitload of money because someone thinks they deserve it?Hmmm...
i say we dont pay their asses at all, when you are in chigh school or college, you dont get paid to play why the hell should you get so much more when you go to the NFL or NBA? Dont tell me it is because they might get hurt and end their career..go get a damn day job.

i dont see me being able to ask the diretor of IT for a 3 million a year salary because i might slip and fall while at work and then need to be "all set" so i dont have to change my way of life or find anothe rjob.

Pro athletes are WAY overpaid..simple as that. The salary cap should be on the players NOT on the teams.
Make the players work on more of a goals system, you make 40 points a game, then you get a $100 bonus tonight..if we win.
You play like crap or act like the snivling ass that most players do..you get squat.

Maybe the 70% of all college players hwo leave to go on to the pros would actually also be passing their damn classes.
And we should start off with that ass Latrell Sprewell .. chokes out his coach then bitches that he should keep his ob and that it's "the man trying to keep me down."

What an idiot..no dumb*ss it's your stupidity keeping you down.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: SaigonK
Let's see p[ay athletes who mostly have NO education a shitload of money because someone thinks they deserve it?Hmmm...
i say we dont pay their asses at all, when you are in chigh school or college, you dont get paid to play why the hell should you get so much more when you go to the NFL or NBA? Dont tell me it is because they might get hurt and end their career..go get a damn day job.

i dont see me being able to ask the diretor of IT for a 3 million a year salary because i might slip and fall while at work and then need to be "all set" so i dont have to change my way of life or find anothe rjob.

Pro athletes are WAY overpaid..simple as that. The salary cap should be on the players NOT on the teams.
Make the players work on more of a goals system, you make 40 points a game, then you get a $100 bonus tonight..if we win.
You play like crap or act like the snivling ass that most players do..you get squat.

Maybe the 70% of all college players hwo leave to go on to the pros would actually also be passing their damn classes.
And we should start off with that ass Latrell Sprewell .. chokes out his coach then bitches that he should keep his ob and that it's "the man trying to keep me down."

What an idiot..no dumb*ss it's your stupidity keeping you down.

Why is education more important than something like athletics? The concept is not many people can do that job at that sort of level. If you were the greatest IT guy with all sorts of skills you'd get paid accordingly. They don't get paid that much if there's no demand.

Who cares if they don't have an education? It's not that important if they're doing what they want to do and getting paid huge for it.

Yeah, they're snotty and a lot of them are arrogant pricks...but so are a lot of your CEOs and upper level management.

High school and college is proving yourself...kind of like doctors volunteering at a hospital to prove they're worthy for medschool.

I mean when it boils down to it, if you work hard at something and you have a talent you're going to get paid for it.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
So I was thinking is there something in place that says you can't pay someone off the record?

Example scenario:

Let's say I sign a huge free agent like Tim Duncan in the offseason to a 1 million dollar a year salary and allowing me to sign tons of good players. At the same time, I tell this free agent that he can come to my house and mow my lawn and I will pay him 25 million *wink wink*. So, in effect, he's being paid 26 million...more than any other player in the NBA. This also doesn't count against the salary cap. Is there any way to prove that you paid him to be on your team? If they questioned it you could say he provided you a service that you thought was worth 25 million....

Pretty much the same concept of paying wages under the table. If you get caught though...you're pretty screwed. I'm sure the NBA implements fines if they get caught doing that.

What if you can prove it was for something like mowing your lawn? Technically you paid him for a service unrelated. Is there some sort of ethics agreement you have to sign before owning a pro sports team?

I mean, anyone with any common sense would know what went on...but there's also not a way to prove that you paid them under the table to play a sport..

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: SaigonK
Let's see p[ay athletes who mostly have NO education a shitload of money because someone thinks they deserve it?Hmmm...
i say we dont pay their asses at all, when you are in chigh school or college, you dont get paid to play why the hell should you get so much more when you go to the NFL or NBA? Dont tell me it is because they might get hurt and end their career..go get a damn day job.

i dont see me being able to ask the diretor of IT for a 3 million a year salary because i might slip and fall while at work and then need to be "all set" so i dont have to change my way of life or find anothe rjob.

Pro athletes are WAY overpaid..simple as that. The salary cap should be on the players NOT on the teams.
Make the players work on more of a goals system, you make 40 points a game, then you get a $100 bonus tonight..if we win.
You play like crap or act like the snivling ass that most players do..you get squat.

Maybe the 70% of all college players hwo leave to go on to the pros would actually also be passing their damn classes.
And we should start off with that ass Latrell Sprewell .. chokes out his coach then bitches that he should keep his ob and that it's "the man trying to keep me down."

What an idiot..no dumb*ss it's your stupidity keeping you down.

Yes, but your illogical and incoherent thoughts don't do much for your credibility. Where did YOU go to school at? Bob Jones?

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
heh...look what I started...

Sure, I think they are overpayed...but then you have to think if you are really really good at something and have a skill that no one else has, you get paid accordingly. Now, a teacher is probably more valuable to society, but a lot of people can be teachers. It doesn't take a whole lot of natural talent to be a teacher(I've had some terrible teachers). if you were the one person who knew one specific subject in the world and it was something that was necessary then I bet you'd get paid that much too.

No, I understand what you were trying to do with this thread. You wanted a discussion on the Salary cap and the like. Too bad Shockwave couldn't stand that and had to interject with his little socialist-grab-my-ankles-and-fvck-me mantra.

I daresay you are the dumbest, most ignorant person I have met on ATOT to date. You certainly win that award.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
heh...look what I started...

Sure, I think they are overpayed...but then you have to think if you are really really good at something and have a skill that no one else has, you get paid accordingly. Now, a teacher is probably more valuable to society, but a lot of people can be teachers. It doesn't take a whole lot of natural talent to be a teacher(I've had some terrible teachers). if you were the one person who knew one specific subject in the world and it was something that was necessary then I bet you'd get paid that much too.

No, I understand what you were trying to do with this thread. You wanted a discussion on the Salary cap and the like. Too bad Shockwave couldn't stand that and had to interject with his little socialist-grab-my-ankles-and-fvck-me mantra.

I daresay you are the dumbest, most ignorant person I have met on ATOT to date. You certainly win that award.

So you don't think your little spiel was socialist drivel? Au Contraire my little frog friend!

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
heh...look what I started...

Sure, I think they are overpayed...but then you have to think if you are really really good at something and have a skill that no one else has, you get paid accordingly. Now, a teacher is probably more valuable to society, but a lot of people can be teachers. It doesn't take a whole lot of natural talent to be a teacher(I've had some terrible teachers). if you were the one person who knew one specific subject in the world and it was something that was necessary then I bet you'd get paid that much too.

No, I understand what you were trying to do with this thread. You wanted a discussion on the Salary cap and the like. Too bad Shockwave couldn't stand that and had to interject with his little socialist-grab-my-ankles-and-fvck-me mantra.

I daresay you are the dumbest, most ignorant person I have met on ATOT to date. You certainly win that award.

So you don't think your little spiel was socialist drivel? Au Contraire my little frog friend!

No, no it wasnt. If it was, I would have said teaxhers should be paid equal to others/ Did i say that? To qoute.
Au Contraire.

 

[tm37]

Shockwave read this

 

[Wduaqnug]

I think there should be no caps, people like me and you jealous but we dont have what it takes. trust all the pros loose health and days of hard training

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: tm37
Shockwave read this

Well said. I didnt say I disagree with there salaries in a vacuum. My complaint is actually with the fellow man himslef. I'm well aware they make what they make because people pay to see them. But, these exact same people who ARE paying to see them are (generally) also wanting lower taxes AND better education / health insurnace / whathaveyou. Cant have our cake and eat it too.
Perhaps I would be better stated in saying no salary cap and require a mandatory 2000 per year tuition for every child to attend public schools..... But then people would complain about that being too much...All the while as they go to games and have Full Package Cable and drive the newest vehicle...

And for the jealous comments? Hardly. My level of satisfaction with life isnt determined by a dollar amount.

 

[NeoV]

AT isn't a good place for sports info, that is for sure...

lets start with the question asked in the thread - of course it is possible for owners/agents/players to collaborate on "unwritten" agreements to avoid salary cap restrictions, and it is quite possible it happens today, but ask the Minnesota Timberwolves if it was worth it for them to make such arrangements with Joe Smith..the NBA found out about it, and not only was Smith's contract terminated, but the T'wolves lost their first round pick for each of the next 4 years! Ouch!

As far as some of the other comments in this thread, its ok if you think pro athletes are overpaid, but at least in this thread, keep the reasons why to yourself as they are full of errant information. "70% of college players that leave early for the pro's"....wow, that is so far off I don't even know where to start! Less than 1% of Division 1 NCAA athletes in football, baseball, and basketball go on to play professional sports. For every "goon" in pro sports there are just as many bright, giving, and overall good people. Vince Carter was the valedictorian of his HS class. Jason Williams graduated from Duke in 3 years. Tim Duncan graduated from college 2 years younger than your typical graduation age. Many, many millions of dollars are given to charities each year by pro athletes. I could go on and on. The fact is the media tend to focus on the trouble that some pro athletes get in rather than the good deeds most of them do. Problems that pro athletes have are no different than problems that people have in all walks of life. Finally, the big three pro sports generate so much revenue that the average salaries really aren't out of line with that revenue. While there are some players who are considerably above those averages, for the most part they are the premier players in their sports, and the best people in any profession should make more than the rest of their peers.

Let me ask this...if a HS kid was an absolute computer wizard, the best programmer among all HS seniors, and MS offered him a job out of HS, would anyone cry about it? Absolutely not, they would say "job well done, good luck, congrats, etc, etc", but when a HS kid is good enough to go straight to the NBA everyone is up in arms about it.

Get over it.

 

[jagr10]

I know many are angry about the fact that many uneducated kids with bad habits make pro sports teams for millions of dollars. Sure sometimes it makes me think about society too, but you know what? LIFE IS NOT FAIR! GET OVER IT.

Instead of getting angry over it, find a way to make your own million. What's stopping you?

 

[poopaskoopa]

People will know what's up if Duncan accepts a 1mil/yr salary, and then proceeds to buy 5 Ferrari 575M Maranellos.

 

[lastig21]

I think the salary cap should be at the player level as well, not for the whole team. I think a rookie should make "maybe" $60k a year in the NBA, or any sport for that matter. The best player I think should only make about a $500k. These would still be comfortable lives for the players and probably better than anything they could do otherwise. I think they should be comparable to the high-average of the business world.

I personally don't think the best players are the ones in the pro's. The big name players are, but the role-players are no better than the typical big city street ball player, and most of them are worse. I have a much better time watching the AND 1 tours compared to the regular NBA. We value entertainment too much, and everyone in the business takes advantage of it.

I would love to see a sport completely disassembled on the next strike. Fire all the players, and hold try-outs to rebuild the teams using a new player salary cap system. The pro's would be allowed to try out too, but would have to accept the position for the new salary.

<edit>More on point I suppose. Isn't this what the TWolves did with Joe Smith a couple of years ago? I know they ate sh*t for something</edit>