Saikat Chakrabarti - Green New Deal not about Climate Change

[Atreus21]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-aocs-chief-of-change/?utm_term=.015b1dbcea46

Chakrabarti had an unexpected disclosure. “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal,” he said, “is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.” Ricketts greeted this startling notion with an attentive poker face. “Do you guys think of it as a climate thing?” Chakrabarti continued. “Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.”

If progressives honestly don't know why conservatives are slow-movers on combatting climate change, this is a pretty good reason. If there were a way to resolve climate change without necessarily restructuring America's (and the world's) economy, I wonder if progressives would support it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-aocs-chief-of-change/?utm_term=.015b1dbcea46



If progressives honestly don't know why conservatives are slow-movers on combatting climate change, this is a pretty good reason. If there were a way to resolve climate change without necessarily restructuring America's (and the world's) economy, I wonder if progressives would support it.

Obviously it's all about ending the human race.

 

[alien42]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-aocs-chief-of-change/?utm_term=.015b1dbcea46



If progressives honestly don't know why conservatives are slow-movers on combatting climate change, this is a pretty good reason. If there were a way to resolve climate change without necessarily restructuring America's (and the world's) economy, I wonder if progressives would support it.

economies shift over time, they always have and they always will because progress is at the core of mankind. the shift that i am referring to isn't a restructuring of America's economy, it's natural industrial progression, no matter the flavor of the political and economic structure. some old industries die off and new industries begin as they for centuries. unfortunately, the GOP has been ignoring and attacking global warming/climate change science for decades. investing in the future of clean renewable energy is common sense and it can power a healthy economy, literally.

 

[Indus]

From the article..

To enact change, they reasoned, it was vital to transform Congress. They formed a group called Brand New Congress with the mission to recruit hundreds of community leaders and working-class candidates to run on a vision of getting corporate money out of politics, tackling climate change, transforming the economy, providing health care for all, standing for racial justice and stemming mass incarceration.

They sifted through more than 10,000 nominations to find the best recruits. “Our biggest criteria was, basically, find someone who had a chance to sell out and didn’t,” Chakrabarti says.

In the end, the project “was a spectacular failure,” Chakrabarti tells me, laughing. They managed to recruit only a dozen candidates because, as it turned out, many good people doing strong community work didn’t see the point of running for Congress. Of the 12, only one won: Ocasio-Cortez.

“How do we help people develop a bit more of a backbone?”

 

[Atreus21]

From the article..

To enact change, they reasoned, it was vital to transform Congress. They formed a group called Brand New Congress with the mission to recruit hundreds of community leaders and working-class candidates to run on a vision of getting corporate money out of politics, tackling climate change, transforming the economy, providing health care for all, standing for racial justice and stemming mass incarceration.

They sifted through more than 10,000 nominations to find the best recruits. “Our biggest criteria was, basically, find someone who had a chance to sell out and didn’t,” Chakrabarti says.

In the end, the project “was a spectacular failure,” Chakrabarti tells me, laughing. They managed to recruit only a dozen candidates because, as it turned out, many good people doing strong community work didn’t see the point of running for Congress. Of the 12, only one won: Ocasio-Cortez.

“How do we help people develop a bit more of a backbone?”

And what of him admitting that the Green New Deal wasnt about climate change, but rather about wholly restructuring the nation's economy?

 

[JEDIYoda]

And what of him admitting that the Green New Deal wasnt about climate change, but rather about wholly restructuring the nation's economy?

are you really that brain dead??

 

[alien42]

And what of him admitting that the Green New Deal wasnt about climate change, but rather about wholly restructuring the nation's economy?

carbon positive industries like coal, oil, and natural gas are going the way of the dinosaurs. solar, wind, hydro, wind, geothermal, etc are the future. why do you have such a hard time grasping that?

if anything, the federal government should be offering more assistance and involvement with retraining those various old school industry workers into new school workers. it's not about replacing workers, but a specialty shift.

 

[Atreus21]

are you really that brain dead??

I guess I am. Could you address what Chakrabarti said? Because Indus surely didn't. He cited WaPo's own estimation of the organization he founded, apparently thinking this could refute the founder's own words.

 

[fskimospy]

If conservatives actually think climate change is a problem but that Democrats are going too far you are literally able to offer a better solution at any time.

At. Any. Time.

Did you idiots not realize this?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

First, under increasing population on a planet of fixed size and fixed resources, when those resources are about to run out in less than 100 years according to Cal-Tech scientists, there must be less "freedom" for the few and less risk with more sustainability for the many. We are facing collective problems, requiring collective solutions. There aren't any "free-market" solutions for climate change.

Second, if the Republicans are so worried that restructuring the economy makes them net short-run losers, the jackasses who support them within the other 98% should look toward the col-lec-tive future, or the answer as to who benefits in the future.

The human race, such a paragon of creation, is no better than bacteria on a petri-dish drowning in their own poison, if the climate change challenge and other challenges cannot be met.

If it weren't for the Republicans, we might have addressed this problem 20 years ago with an early start.

Another way to view it involves recognition of the concentrated industries that have traditionally had unwarranted influence in our politics since Ford invented the Model-T. I mean by this the "strategic minerals" industry, and primarily oil, gas and coal.

World War I owes significantly to struggle over Suez and Middle-Eastern oil shipments. In the next world war, Hitler had an important objective for penetrating deep into Russia to the Baku oil fields. Germany had diddly for oil. Was Rommel in North Africa? I can't imagine Germans coveting so much sand!

We overthrew Mossadegh in Iran because he leaned socialist -- insisting that the British pay Iranian oil workers more than 60 cents a day. This was the origin for our current stand-off with Iran, adding the hostage crisis and abdication of Rehzi Pahlavi -- the Shah.

With Vietnam, there were rumors about oil in the South China Sea. After that, Iraq -- and then . . . Iraq.

Don't deny this! There is nothing constructive to be gained by perpetuating wars over resources that won't last. We might as well restructure the economy, and harvest sunlight.

All the namby-pamby chicken littles with their palaver about "creeping socialism", "coastal elites", and the Liberal menace. Do we want the human race to survive? Or do we not?

If the ostriches who support Big Oil, Big Coal, Trump and his lying sycophants are hitchhiking in my direction, they can stay stranded and eat dust.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I guess I am. Could you address what Chakrabarti said? Because Indus surely didn't. He cited WaPo's own estimation of the organization he founded, apparently thinking this could refute the founder's own words.

You still are not able to put 1 + 1 together?? okay let me simplify this it really does not matter what Chakrabarti said.....
AOC did not come out and say what Chakrabarti is saying! In fact I would bet you that within the next few days AOC comes out and refutes what her chief of staff said!
But lets pretend you are right.....its not rocket science to understand that in order to change from fossil fuels and such it will change our whole economy...….you have to be nieve to think other wise! As long as AOC sisn`t come out and say what Chakrabarti said then it is still enuendo and not really based on fact!!

 

[Atreus21]

If conservatives actually think climate change is a problem but that Democrats are going too far you are literally able to offer a better solution at any time.

At. Any. Time.

Did you idiots not realize this?

Conservatives generally don't think climate change represents the threat that democrats supposedly do. Furthermore, Chakrabati's admission reveals that he doesn't either. It's just a means to a political end.

 

[alien42]

Conservatives generally don't think climate change represents the threat that democrats supposedly do.

because Jesus?

as if he wouldn't totally have been down with clean renewable energy.

 

[Atreus21]

You still are not able to put 1 + 1 together?? okay let me simplify this it really does not matter what Chakrabarti said.....
AOC did not come out and say what Chakrabarti is saying! In fact I would bet you that within the next few days AOC comes out and refytes what her chief of staff said!
But lets pretend you are right.....its not rocket science to understand that in or der to change from fossil fuels and such it will change our whole economy...….you have to be nieve to think other wise! As long as AOC sisn`t come out and say what Chakrabarti said then it is still enuendo and not really based on fact!!

If projects like carbon recycling or some other technology could reduce CO2 emissions sufficient to end the climate change problem without ending fossil fuels or fundamentally transforming the economy, would you support it?

 

[nickqt]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-aocs-chief-of-change/?utm_term=.015b1dbcea46



If progressives honestly don't know why conservatives are slow-movers on combatting climate change, this is a pretty good reason. If there were a way to resolve climate change without necessarily restructuring America's (and the world's) economy, I wonder if progressives would support it.

Scientists, the real ones, have been trying to convince people for decades to start acting on it.

So far, nothing of substance has been done.

So, now either the economy is restructured so we quit lighting the fucking planet on fire for corporate profits, or we just go ahead and burn down the fucking planet for corporate profits.

You can try to spin the reality of what is happening in whatever way makes you feel better about you and your political allies feet-dragging that has resulted in us being in this situation however you want.

You can call it socialism, or Marxism or communism or The! End! Of! America! if you want. But that's where we're at.

Because we no longer have the option of re-arranging a few things here and there. We either stop burning the planet down, or we keep doing it. If you're for keeping on with burning the planet down, than just come out and say it. But no one here cares if you try using the talking points you've been trained to recite.

There comes a time when a fire extinguisher is no longer adequate to put out a raging fucking inferno. We're at that point.

 

[Jhhnn]

Conservatives generally don't think climate change represents the threat that democrats supposedly do. Furthermore, Chakrabati's admission reveals that he doesn't either. It's just a means to a political end.

Yawn. What he revealed is that climate change politics dovetail nicely with his sustainability goals. Even if climate change weren't an issue then sustainability certainly is. Fossil fuels are a finite resource.

 

[Jhhnn]

If projects like carbon recycling or some other technology could reduce CO2 emissions sufficient to end the climate change problem without ending fossil fuels or fundamentally transforming the economy, would you support it?

If pigs had wings, would they fly?

 

[Indus]

Conservatives generally don't think climate change represents the threat that democrats supposedly do. Furthermore, Chakrabati's admission reveals that he doesn't either. It's just a means to a political end.

Ofcourse all these rising oceans, rivers running dry, reservoirs drying up and people having to migrate to other places is a hoax made up by the chinese.

BTW you haven't seen nothing yet. India is going to have a mass exodus in the next decade.. 1.3 billion people of which atleast half will leave because of lack of water. No water.. no crops.. no food.. nothing to drink.. no life. Just die or move? Easiest choice ever!


India's climate change crisis is here, more than 600 million people face water shortages

 

[JSt0rm]

Ofcourse all these rising oceans, rivers running dry, reservoirs drying up and people having to migrate to other places is a hoax made up by the chinese.

BTW you haven't seen nothing yet. India is going to have a mass exodus in the next decade.. 1.3 billion people of which atleast half will leave because of lack of water. No water.. no crops.. no food.. nothing to drink.. no life. Just die or move? Easiest choice ever!


India's climate change crisis is here, more than 600 million people face water shortages

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lol if you think atreus cares about brown people.

 

[Indus]

lol if you think atreus cares about brown people.

I think he cares about not having 600 million people living in his back yard or his front yard.

 

[brycejones]

lol if you think atreus cares about brown people.

Only pre-birth

 

[brycejones]

If projects like carbon recycling or some other technology could reduce CO2 emissions sufficient to end the climate change problem without ending fossil fuels or fundamentally transforming the economy, would you support it?

Sure I love mercury in my fish. What magical solution is there that creates this liquid metal fish utopia? Do you have the patent(s) on it already? Is it on the shelf next to the 500 MPG carburetor?

 

[JSt0rm]

I think he cares about not having 600 million people living in his back yard or his front yard.

and thats why he likes killing them in their countries and at the border. You are dealing with psychopaths.

 

[Paratus]

Conservatives generally don't think climate change represents the threat that democrats supposedly do. Furthermore, Chakrabati's admission reveals that he doesn't either. It's just a means to a political end.

Try and see it from our perspective. You know how afraid you are of the imminent destruction of straight Christian men by a cabal of liberal elites, atheists, Muslims and the gay agenda? We feel the same fear for our species due to the risk to the climate from fossil fuel use.

The only real difference is the latter is supported by evidence and science while the former is all in your head thanks to propaganda used to enrich others and keep them in power.

I’ll also point out regardless of what Chakrabati said doesn’t change what CO2 does in the atmosphere.

Finally instead of worrying about a change in the economy maybe you should be calling for renewables to fight on a level playing field. Shouldn’t the market decide?

 

[brycejones]

Shouldn’t the market decide?

What are you a commie?