Safety: Does size of car matter as long as it has 5star crash rating?

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Strk

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I work in a trauma level 1 hospital, and I gotta tell you-all that this is reality. We don't even see the occupants of the smaller car in these type of accidents, they're pronounced dead at the scene. We do see the SUV drivers and passengers and they typically have minimal injuries.

If you pay attention to the clip, simple physics shows why the SUV defeats the safety features built into the smaller cars.

The side impact standards don't use large SUV height bumpers in their tests. The passenger compartment is essentially destroyed and side impact airbags don't stop the kind of damage that a SUV does to a small car.

I own and drive a Miata and an F250 SD diesel :), so I'm on both ends of the problem, with smaller cars lie the Miata, the larger vehicle typically goes over the top of the smaller one in high speed front or rear collisions.

Most old cars, SUVs or trucks would be screwed with most vehicles slamming into the side of them at 60mph, let alone a large SUV.

Originally posted by: vi edit
I'd like to see them do the same "side impact" test and see what a 3800 pound full size sedan does to the very same civic.

I'm guessing it won't be as bad...but it still isn't going to be pretty. I really doubt the civic occupants would be walking to tell the tale.

I don't know about the weight, but the IIHS uses a sled that simulates an SUV.

Fifth Gear mentions an issue in that Civic vs Land Rover that is pretty bad though: vehicle height. The bumper requirements aren't very old on SUVs/trucks. The bumper on a new F-150 goes down quite a bit more than old ones. A head on collision with an older one with a car has the likelihood of the car going under the truck.

A sedan would still punch through that old Civic though. Like so many other things with car safety, a lot of reinforcements done to the sides isn't very old either.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: AdamK47
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I think everyone should drive a Ford Excursion. That way we would all be safe and nobody would ever get hurt in accidents.

BAN ALL SMALL CARS!!!

I think you're fibbin.

I want to drive the Space Shuttle to work everyday. I need the protection, I mean, what if some moron in an aircraft carrier rams into the back of me?

It's important that I live...the world will need me someday.
 

jagec

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Everyone is assuming that all accidents are vehicle-vs-vehicle. For vehicle-vs-wall or vehicle-vs-lamp post, size matters less.
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: AdamK47
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I think everyone should drive a Ford Excursion. That way we would all be safe and nobody would ever get hurt in accidents.

BAN ALL SMALL CARS!!!

I think you're fibbin.

I want to drive the Space Shuttle to work everyday. I need the protection, I mean, what if some moron in an aircraft carrier rams into the back of me?

It's important that I live...the world will need me someday.

err, the space shuttle is not exactly what we call drivable. Nor is it particularly sturdy.
 

thescreensavers

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If you want to see a recent SUV vs Compact car crash its either head on or front offset dont entirely remember but google

Audi Q7 vs Fiat 500
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: thescreensavers
If you want to see a recent SUV vs Compact car crash its either head on or front offset dont entirely remember but google

Audi Q7 vs Fiat 500

I wouldn't want to be in the Fiat in that one, but it still held up pretty well. Personally, I like looking at these tests of the small cars to see how well a lot of the new technologies matter. The energy distribution makes a huge difference.The person in that Fiat would be pretty badly injured, but they would most likely live. I'd still go with a midsize if I were buying a new car.
 

StageLeft

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Performance (and therefore indirectly size) also plays a big factor in avoiding accidents or changing the nature of accidents. It is hard to disagree that the driver of a Miata will probably be more injured than the driver of an SUV in a collision between the two. However, the Miata driver might successfully swerve to avoid the SUV. And the SUV driver might try to swerve to avoid the Miata, but instead roll over and plow off the road.
I've not looked at numbers but my guess is performance has very little influence. The vast majority of accidents are not caused because you were going around a corner too fast but because you were going along listening to music BLAM a fvcking idiot just ran the light an owned you. Or you're texting somebody and oh sh*t where did that car come from, boom you hit the brakes oh that was too late into that car ahead of you (braking performance would be relevant here) or you get rear-ended. I would think that the two key things are your vehicle's safety rating, weight, and braking. I don't think most people are swerving out of the way of accidents, they almost always happen in a straight line one way or the other.

That 5th gear test is fun but completely retarded. I'd rather see what happens if another civic hits it. I think the favor goes heavily to the vehicle doing the hitting than that hit with the angles they use, it's merely exacerbated by the size discrepancy, but a vehicle can take way more beats from the front than the side.

Audi vs fiat shows exactly how weight matters.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: AdamK47
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I think everyone should drive a Ford Excursion. That way we would all be safe and nobody would ever get hurt in accidents.

BAN ALL SMALL CARS!!!

I think you're fibbin.

I want to drive the Space Shuttle to work everyday. I need the protection, I mean, what if some moron in an aircraft carrier rams into the back of me?

It's important that I live...the world will need me someday.

err, the space shuttle is not exactly what we call drivable. Nor is it particularly sturdy.

Dude, it can withstand hundreds of thousands of pounds of thrust, travel into space and withstand the heat of re-entry. Show me an SUV that can do that!
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Dude, it can withstand hundreds of thousands of pounds of thrust, travel into space and withstand the heat of re-entry. Show me an SUV that can do that!

lol, that is what it is designed to do, the moment you try to drive that thing around, it will fall flat.

Not to mention you would incinerate/blow off whomever was behind you.
 

zerocool84

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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Dude, it can withstand hundreds of thousands of pounds of thrust, travel into space and withstand the heat of re-entry. Show me an SUV that can do that!

lol, that is what it is designed to do, the moment you try to drive that thing around, it will fall flat.

Not to mention you would incinerate/blow off whomever was behind you.

Please don't feed the troll.
 

MovingTarget

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Jun 22, 2003
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Low to mid-speed crash:

5 star crash rating: You walk away
Massive Vehicle: You drive away

For high-speed crashes, I'd go with the crash rating.

:D