sadistic cop kills family golden retriever

[Arkaign]

this especially the bolded.

although I agree, if the dog is in the front leash or rope/chain the dog, invisifence or not.

my mailman wont even deliver mail if the dog is chanied up out front. if hte neighbors front window is open he wont either cu their shepard sits in the window and barks at him(not even meanly, just a HI THERE! bark, but still, unsettling when its not your 70+ lb doggie)

Agree a million % that the owner of this GR was a moron. If you're in the city, keep your dog leashed or fenced, end of story. And not a pretend fence either.

 

[FDF12389]

Do you have any knowledge on the history of domesticated dogs? The whole reason pits and rotts exist is because they were selectively bred for size/power/fighting prowess. They're a creation of our historical desires for them.

I am NOT saying that people shouldn't be able to own them, or that they are inherently bad dogs, I don't think Preslove is either. I've actually met easily 10x the nice playful energetic happy pits than pissed off neglected/abused/angry ones.

What shouldn't be brushed under the rug though is that Pits and Rotts are just hugely more powerful/dangerous IN THE CASE that they happen to go on attack mode. The chances of being attacked by any particular breed of dog is an almost meaningless statistic, hell I've probably been nipped/snapped at more by tiny dogs by far than large ones. The point is that when a dog of the caliber of a Pit/Rott is on the attack, you've got a dramatically raised chance of being seriously maimed if not killed. Closely following those two are two other exceptionally agile breeds that fight very effectively : Dobermans and German Shepherds, pound for pound about as tough as they come.

All of this is common sense anyway.

I wasn't at the scene described in the OP, and neither were any of us. I happen to be of the opinion that it sounds a little shady, as GR typically don't present much of a threat, even if irritated, to an adult male. If it were a Pit or Rott that were chasing the cop, I'd have absolutely zero doubts about the need for immediate deadly force. A GR though? I have my doubts that it was really necessary. It could just be a freak thing though, I mean how many fatalities or serious maimings were caused in the past decade by Pits? Alrite, now how many by GRs? It's a pretty disparate situation.

Wow, that's alot of typing for an argument you can never win because neither of you have any details. Good job.

 

[Arkaign]

Wow, that's alot of typing for an argument you can never win because neither of you have any details. Good job.

True. At least I'm honest with it. I have my opinions and clarify what I mean in plain terms. I am not so arrogant as to think I can pass some kind of ultimate judgment based on such a thin description of events in that article.

 

[hanoverphist]

(2)- A golden retriever can be medium to large, but they are instantly identifiable as a mild breed. If it were a black lab or something, I could understand having trouble mistaking it for possibly a rott in a split-second decision time. Speaking of Rotts :

we had a stray pitt running around our neighborhood for a couple of days, chased a bunch of kids and a couple adults before the cops got called. the cop that showed up stared down the dog, then ran at it to see if it would attack him. on purpose. he said if the dog is aggressive and will attack him he is justified in shooting the dog. apparently this dog would only chase people that ran away lol.

point is, i doubt the cops rules here vary much from other places, so they do have a little bit of play in their motives in these cases.

also, the humane society (no kill shelter) picked up the pit the next morning, it wasnt put down as far as i know.

 

[Arkaign]

we had a stray pitt running around our neighborhood for a couple of days, chased a bunch of kids and a couple adults before the cops got called. the cop that showed up stared down the dog, then ran at it to see if it would attack him. on purpose. he said if the dog is aggressive and will attack him he is justified in shooting the dog. apparently this dog would only chase people that ran away lol.

point is, i doubt the cops rules here vary much from other places, so they do have a little bit of play in their motives in these cases.

also, the humane society (no kill shelter) picked up the pit the next morning, it wasnt put down as far as i know.

Hah, yeah interesting. Most pits are much more playful than you'd think. Definitely not a dog you want out on the streets chasing kids and strangers. Stupid owners give that breed a bad name due to the rare but serious incidents that occur with them. It was nice of that cop not to just go dirty harry automatically on it, and it sounds like he dealt with the situation with humanity, even if he sounds a little crazy lol.

 

[alkemyst]

all modern dogs were bred...most for things not so savory to the masses.

 

[Arkaign]

all modern dogs were bred...most for things not so savory to the masses.

Truth, even the purpose of things like Dachshunds is pretty gnarly, depending on how you feel about breeding things specifically to rip other animals to bits 😀

 

[preslove]

One might be able to fight it off, but it doesn't mean the cop should have to. Standards of deadly force really don't apply as much to animals.

Ultimately, if any dog attacks an officer, it would be put down by the city anyway. You can pretty much count on that.

Most cops have collapsible batons. With one of those, I could keep an aggressive GR at bay, or even beat it to death, without getting a scratch.

Shooting this dog, in a residential neighborhood no less, is simply over-the-top, trigger happy bullshit.

 

[FDF12389]

Most cops have collapsible batons. With one of those, I could keep an aggressive GR at bay, or even beat it to death, without getting a scratch.

Shooting this dog, in a residential neighborhood no less, is simply over-the-top, trigger happy bullshit.

Which dog? Pics? Weight? Purebred? Mut? Gender?

But by all means guys, keep arguing, keep speculating, whatever you do, don't let logic delay your judgment until details are presented.

 

[Linflas]

So many cop haters in here, who cares what breed the dog is? All dogs are capable of mauling and biting strangers. Large dogs can do a lot of damage, whether they are a Golden Retriever or a Rott or a German Shepard. Anyone who claims that Golden Retrievers never attack people are full of shit, plain and simple.

1. The dog should've been on a leash.
2. There should have been signs to inform strangers that there is an electric fence.
3. The incident is tragic but in no way is it foul play.

If a large dog I don't know starts charging me, I would think I am in danger, no matter what breed it is.

One of the reasons there is so much more tension between the police and the people they serve today is because of this attitude that any criticism of police automatically means no support for police. Good cops do themselves no favor when they cover for bad cops nor do citizens do themselves any favor when they avoid criticizing the police for fear being seen as not being supportive of them.

 

[darkewaffle]

Which dog? Pics? Weight? Purebred? Mut? Gender?

But by all means guys, keep arguing, keep speculating, whatever you do, don't let logic delay your judgment until details are presented.

God forbid you assume, at worst, it's an aggressive, above average sized golden retreiver. That's completely impossible.

Averages are average for a reason. Chances are the dog in question was not particularly aggressive and not particularly big. Because that's what's average for a retriever.

 

[FDF12389]

God forbid you assume, at worst, it's an aggressive, above average sized golden retreiver. That's completely impossible.

Averages are average for a reason. Chances are the dog in question was not particularly aggressive and not particularly big. Because that's what's average for a retriever.

What if it was a GR/pit mix?

 

[preslove]

we had a stray pitt running around our neighborhood for a couple of days, chased a bunch of kids and a couple adults before the cops got called. the cop that showed up stared down the dog, then ran at it to see if it would attack him. on purpose. he said if the dog is aggressive and will attack him he is justified in shooting the dog. apparently this dog would only chase people that ran away lol.

point is, i doubt the cops rules here vary much from other places, so they do have a little bit of play in their motives in these cases.

also, the humane society (no kill shelter) picked up the pit the next morning, it wasnt put down as far as i know.

And here we have a good police officer.

Of course, since I criticized a cop before I must be a cop "hater" 🙄

God forbid we ask our public servants to think before they shoot dogs or people.

 

[dabuddha]

And here we have a good police officer.

Of course, since I criticized a cop before I must be a cop "hater" 🙄

God forbid we ask our public servants to think before they shoot dogs or people.

He did think before he fired. He thought "holy shit this crazy ass dog is about to maul me." If anything, the dog owner is responsible for the dog's death. 🙂

 

[MarkXIX]

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[Arkaign]

He did think before he fired. He thought "holy shit this crazy ass dog is about to maul me." If anything, the dog owner is responsible for the dog's death. 🙂

Yeah, this is just my opinion based on the thin description :

95% owner's fault for being an irresponsible idiot. Seriously, keep the dog on leash/inside/in real fenced yard.

5% cop's fault for being too jumpy/relying on gun rather than brain/baton/pepper/intimidation (you'd be surprised what yelling and raising your hands can do to intimidate or scare off most untrained dogs)

^^ This is assuming this was a typical happy/friendly GR, and not a rabid/abused/psycho mutant variant. Typical GR is NOT a scary dog unless you're just an ignorant pu**y.

One thing you can be damned sure of :

If a CCW-carrying citizen did this same thing (killing a GR that wasn't on his property and hadn't bitten/harmed him) , he would be :

Arrested (discharing a firearm unlawfully, who knows what other charges)

Tarred and feathered completely by everyone

And none of the usual cop-worshippers would be defending him. Of course, he wouldn't attract some of the same cop-haters either.

 

[pontifex]

Anyone who is even remotely justifying this needs to have their cat shot in the face.

lmao, this makes any sense how? you're pissed that a dog was shot and you want the pets of people defending him shot also?

wow

 

[DrunkenSano]

And none of the usual cop-worshippers would be defending him. Of course, he wouldn't attract some of the same cop-haters either.

In the same situation, if it was a regular person who shot the dog, the justification is the same. Did the person at the time fear that he was about to be attacked by a large dog, possibly biting him and mauling him? If yes, then he was justified in defending himself. Would it still be a tragic incident? Yes. Is the person a bad person for defending himself, no.

 

[BudAshes]

Yeah, this is just my opinion based on the thin description :

95% owner's fault for being an irresponsible idiot. Seriously, keep the dog on leash/inside/in real fenced yard.

5% cop's fault for being too jumpy/relying on gun rather than brain/baton/pepper/intimidation (you'd be surprised what yelling and raising your hands can do to intimidate or scare off most untrained dogs)

^^ This is assuming this was a typical happy/friendly GR, and not a rabid/abused/psycho mutant variant. Typical GR is NOT a scary dog unless you're just an ignorant pu**y.

One thing you can be damned sure of :

If a CCW-carrying citizen did this same thing (killing a GR that wasn't on his property and hadn't bitten/harmed him) , he would be :

Arrested (discharing a firearm unlawfully, who knows what other charges)

Tarred and feathered completely by everyone

And none of the usual cop-worshippers would be defending him. Of course, he wouldn't attract some of the same cop-haters either.

This^^^

Cops are just people, neither good nor evil. The problem is that there seems to be this blanket mentality that either all cops are good or evil. Some cops are awesome people, and just like any job those cops do 99% of the actual work while the rest waste everyone's time and fuck everything up for making those good cops waste their time trying to fix their mistakes. Meanwhile these shitty cops make the good cops job 100 times harder because it is almost impossible to get rid of these crappy cops. Pretty much the same thing as with teachers.

 

[AMDZen]

lmao, this makes any sense how? you're pissed that a dog was shot and you want the pets of people defending him shot also?

wow

Clearly anyone who isn't appalled by this cop's faggotry hates dogs, and is therefore most likely a cat lover. Next, if it doesn't upset you at all then it wouldn't be a big deal if the same happened to you. I mean, its your fault you let your cat outside any way. Accident? Who cares it could of mauled me and gave me rabies.

 

[AMDZen]

In the same situation, if it was a regular person who shot the dog, the justification is the same. Did the person at the time fear that he was about to be attacked by a large dog, possibly biting him and mauling him? If yes, then he was justified in defending himself. Would it still be a tragic incident? Yes. Is the person a bad person for defending himself, no.

Maybe if said imaginary person is a frail old women.

I could kick a golden in the face and I guarentee he is going to back off, if he doesn't - then its another story. Your first instinct as a male isn't to just shoot a dog like a golden unless a) you live in a box and don't know dogs, and thusly shouldn't be a cop or b) you're just deathly afraid of dogs and thusly don't deserve to be a cop. Who knows what else you might just shoot when they come running at you. Sure that lady was running from someone else into your arms hoping you would save her, but who cares - you felt threatened.

 

[Zargon]

This^^^

Cops are just people, neither good nor evil. The problem is that there seems to be this blanket mentality that either all cops are good or evil. Some cops are awesome people, and just like any job those cops do 99% of the actual work while the rest waste everyone's time and fuck everything up for making those good cops waste their time trying to fix their mistakes. Meanwhile these shitty cops make the good cops job 100 times harder because it is almost impossible to get rid of these crappy cops. Pretty much the same thing as with teachers.

maybe more like 90% 😀

 

[preslove]

Maybe if said imaginary person is a frail old women.

I could kick a golden in the face and I guarentee he is going to back off, if he doesn't - then its another story. Your first instinct as a male isn't to just shoot a dog like a golden unless a) you live in a box and don't know dogs, and thusly shouldn't be a cop or b) you're just deathly afraid of dogs and thusly don't deserve to be a cop. Who knows what else you might just shoot when they come running at you. Sure that lady was running from someone else into your arms hoping you would save her, but who cares - you felt threatened.

We may hate each other in the other thread, but I agree on this post.

Jesus christ, a cop should be able either punch or kick a fucking golden in the face with enough force to get it pliable. They just aren't big or dangerous enough to pose a threat to any adult male who isn't a pussy.

 

[lord_emperor]

A bit of googling indicates the penalty for having a dog off its leash is on average a $50 fine, not on the spot execution of the dog on the owner's property.

Again I state that the officer's life was not in danger; he had many other options to deal with even an aggressive dog besides using his gun.

 

[AMDZen]

Cops are just people, neither good nor evil.

I completely agree with the points of Arkaign you responded to, but your points I do not.

Cops are not just people, neither good nor evil.

People who seek the profession of law enforcement are people who are hungry for power. These kind of people, once they have power, usually want more and crave it - feed off of it. It takes a specific personality to want to be a cop, and 90% of the time, its of the power variety of personality.

I have a friend that wants to be a cop, and she scares the hell out of me. She is stubborn as a mule and would make a terrible, unfair law enforcement person. She actually wants to do FBI or some other bullshit.

This doesn't mean that all cops are evil, but most of them are power craving and power hungry people. Sometimes that goes to their heads, with some people more then others.

Cops are like politicians, they should be appointed by a community. If said appointee doesn't want to be a cop, it goes down the list until there is someone who accepts the position. People who want to be cops should not be. Same goes for the president of the US, if we appointed one - as a society - someone who didn't necessarily want the job, it would be the best president the country has ever seen. Sadly, Lincoln was the last president that did it because he knew he had to do it, not because he wanted to do it.