Saddam's Philippines Terror Connection

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Kappo


This I agree with. Which is where our implementation of the war failed.

Keep in mind, these people are used to living day to day, and the majority of (any countries) citizens have zero insight into what can happen later on down the road. They need instant results, which we cannot offer.

Great we've come to a meeting of the minds. Now if two average Joes can figure this out why can't those who are suppose to know better figure this out?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar
Kappo,
where do those terrorist come from? how and why do people become terrorists?

answer that pleeeeease

Oh.. yeah we must have made them :roll: Because there was never a terrorist before GWB!

Im not sure what the liberal "truth" on that matter is, so I cant tell you what you want to hear.

lol.. they wouldn't know the "truth" if it arrived wearing a backpack full of C4 on their front doorstep.

I'm serious! Some people, like Steeple, truly consider our side to be the evil ones in all of this. She honestly considers all of our troops to be sociopathic murderers, and Bush and Rumsfeld to be real life versions of Austin Powers!

coocoo coocoo!

You know it's not those like Steeple we should concern ourselves with, it's the average Iraqi and a large percentage do consider America to be the evil ones.

what's a "large percentage" to you? can you please qualify and quanitfy that statement?

I was there. IMO, of those I met, fought, or interacted with, perhaps only 5% of Iraqi's considered us "evil," or wished us dead.

But then again, maybe you've been there and experienced otherwise? no? I thought not...

gogo CNN warrior! hooah!

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar
Kappo,
where do those terrorist come from? how and why do people become terrorists?

answer that pleeeeease

Oh.. yeah we must have made them :roll: Because there was never a terrorist before GWB!

Im not sure what the liberal "truth" on that matter is, so I cant tell you what you want to hear.

you failed to answer the questions, this is about your perspective on the matter, since you seem to know so much about this they should be easy

where do those terrorist come from?
how and why do people become terrorists?

It is still not my job to educate you. Regardless of the subject, I am not your teacher. I suggest google.com for your public school replacement. 😉

I'm not asking for worldy facts, I'm just trying to figure out your perspective on this issue.

Where do you belive the terrorists come from?
In your opinion, how and why do people become terrrorists?

good enough?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: palehorse74what's a "large percentage" to you? can you please qualify and quanitfy that statement?

I was there. IMO, of those I met, fought, or interacted with, perhaps only 5% of Iraqi's considered us "evil," or wished us dead.

But then again, maybe you've been there and experienced otherwise? no? I thought not...

gogo CNN warrior! hooah!

You obviosly dont know reddawn

 

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar
Kappo,
where do those terrorist come from? how and why do people become terrorists?

answer that pleeeeease

Oh.. yeah we must have made them :roll: Because there was never a terrorist before GWB!

Im not sure what the literal "truth" on that matter is, so I cant tell you what you want to hear.

More like it.

The liberal truth is typically VERY VERY far from literal.

And it doesn't seem that you are aware of either.

im very aware of what the real consequences are as well as the benefits. The cold truth is that someone needed to do this. Im not glad it was us, but whatever.

I am pretty indifferent. I dont really care other than its interesting to watch. In my mind, the war was justified, and Im ok with it. I dont like my money being pissed away, but the IDEA was the right one.

I am not familiar with the liberal crap out there for the past few months... nor the conservative crap, either. I watch events and make my own opinion instead of mooching it from moveon.org or salon.com.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar
Kappo,
where do those terrorist come from? how and why do people become terrorists?

answer that pleeeeease

Oh.. yeah we must have made them :roll: Because there was never a terrorist before GWB!

Im not sure what the liberal "truth" on that matter is, so I cant tell you what you want to hear.

you failed to answer the questions, this is about your perspective on the matter, since you seem to know so much about this they should be easy

where do those terrorist come from?
how and why do people become terrorists?

Want the answers to those questions? Then I suggest you read Understanding Terror Networks by Marc Sageman... it's an empiricle study of terrorism from the socio-psychological standpoint. as in, "who joins terror cells, how, and why"...

start there!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Pure agitprop from Genx87-

"You cant find anybody in their right mind who truely believed Saddam didnt have WMD in 2002 early 2003. Not even the beloved democrats."

That's not true at all, and reflects only the effectiveness of the agitprop campaign of the time, not the known reality. Reference Hans Blix, and his reports to the UN. Questions, yes, a "belief", no, not at all...

The accusations against the Iraqis were based on their inability to prove a negative, to provide documentation for weapons that hadn't been accounted for by UN reckoning, not on the basis of any actual evidence that such weapons still existed...

Even if these documents are genuine, which I doubt, there was no evidence at the time to support the allegations made wrt Saddam and Al Qaeda- merely innuendo and highly suspect testimony from INC sources...

9/11, WMD's, Links to Al Qaeda, Uranium from Africa and all the rest were merely convenient excuses to execute an existing Neocon wet dream- Invade Iraq. Wolfowitz as much as said so, but few seem to comprehend his remarks on the subject...

Iraqi's had known stockpiles of WMD. They couldnt provide proof of the destruction of these stockpiles. That means paper work showing it was destroyed with a location we can verify. There was no proving a negative. To this day there is still about 400 tons of mustard gas and about 20-80 tons of VX that are unaccounted for.

When I say known stockpiles, these are agents the west sold\gave Iraq, or Iraq declared previously.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar
Kappo,
where do those terrorist come from? how and why do people become terrorists?

answer that pleeeeease

Oh.. yeah we must have made them :roll: Because there was never a terrorist before GWB!

Im not sure what the liberal "truth" on that matter is, so I cant tell you what you want to hear.

lol.. they wouldn't know the "truth" if it arrived wearing a backpack full of C4 on their front doorstep.

I'm serious! Some people, like Steeple, truly consider our side to be the evil ones in all of this. She honestly considers all of our troops to be sociopathic murderers, and Bush and Rumsfeld to be real life versions of Austin Powers!

coocoo coocoo!

You know it's not those like Steeple we should concern ourselves with, it's the average Iraqi and a large percentage do consider America to be the evil ones.

what's a "large percentage" to you? can you please qualify and quanitfy that statement?

I was there. IMO, of those I met, fought, or interacted with, perhaps only 5% of Iraqi's considered us "evil," or wished us dead.

But then again, maybe you've been there and experienced otherwise? no? I thought not...

gogo CNN warrior! hooah!

Hmmm you'd think that if it was such a small minority and that we had the blessings of the vast majority suppressing the insurgents and Foriegn Terrorist would be rather easy. Oh btw, blah,blah, blah, insult,blah, in retaliation to yours.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar
Kappo,
where do those terrorist come from? how and why do people become terrorists?

answer that pleeeeease

Oh.. yeah we must have made them :roll: Because there was never a terrorist before GWB!

Im not sure what the liberal "truth" on that matter is, so I cant tell you what you want to hear.

you failed to answer the questions, this is about your perspective on the matter, since you seem to know so much about this they should be easy

where do those terrorist come from?
how and why do people become terrorists?

Want the answers to those questions? Then I suggest you read Understanding Terror Networks by Marc Sageman... it's an empiricle study of terrorism from the socio-psychological standpoint. as in, "who joins terror cells, how, and why"...

start there!

are you dense?

I'm looking for your answers, how you see it, what your perspective on this is. Ever made up your own ideas in your life?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87
There are millions of documents we havent gone through yet. You can expect more of these types of findings as things get translated.

It will be one of those things where the link is credible but the time has passed so much before we finally get all of the documentation translated nobody will care.

doesnt change the fact that nothing stated as reasons for the war were true, thats the crux of the matter... can we go to war on false accusations?

If they are proven false after the fact, yes.

You cant find anybody in their right mind who truely believed Saddam didnt have WMD in 2002 early 2003. Not even the beloved democrats.

has any of it been proven true?

Well the inspectors in Iraq thought Saddam didnt have any, or were they not in the know?

They were absent for nearly 4 years before being let back in. You tell me in 4 years what Saddam "could" have done and can UN inspectors retrace ground lost in 4 years in 3 months?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar
Kappo,
where do those terrorist come from? how and why do people become terrorists?

answer that pleeeeease

Oh.. yeah we must have made them :roll: Because there was never a terrorist before GWB!

Im not sure what the literal "truth" on that matter is, so I cant tell you what you want to hear.

More like it.

The liberal truth is typically VERY VERY far from literal.

And it doesn't seem that you are aware of either.

im very aware of what the real consequences are as well as the benefits. The cold truth is that someone needed to do this. Im not glad it was us, but whatever.

I am pretty indifferent. I dont really care other than its interesting to watch. In my mind, the war was justified, and Im ok with it. I dont like my money being pissed away, but the IDEA was the right one.

I am not familiar with the liberal crap out there for the past few months... nor the conservative crap, either. I watch events and make my own opinion instead of mooching it from moveon.org or salon.com.

To tell you the truth if it wasn't American Servicemen dieing I wouldn't give a sh!t. If it were the Russians instead of us (like Chechnya) I'd just be an interested observer

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87
There are millions of documents we havent gone through yet. You can expect more of these types of findings as things get translated.

It will be one of those things where the link is credible but the time has passed so much before we finally get all of the documentation translated nobody will care.

doesnt change the fact that nothing stated as reasons for the war were true, thats the crux of the matter... can we go to war on false accusations?

If they are proven false after the fact, yes.

You cant find anybody in their right mind who truely believed Saddam didnt have WMD in 2002 early 2003. Not even the beloved democrats.

has any of it been proven true?

Well the inspectors in Iraq thought Saddam didnt have any, or were they not in the know?

They were absent for nearly 4 years before being let back in. You tell me in 4 years what Saddam "could" have done and can UN inspectors retrace ground lost in 4 years in 3 months?

So saddam might have restarted his wmd program in 4 years and made a new stockpile without any evidence?

Thats a big if you got there.

 

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar
Kappo,
where do those terrorist come from? how and why do people become terrorists?

answer that pleeeeease

Oh.. yeah we must have made them :roll: Because there was never a terrorist before GWB!

Im not sure what the liberal "truth" on that matter is, so I cant tell you what you want to hear.

you failed to answer the questions, this is about your perspective on the matter, since you seem to know so much about this they should be easy

where do those terrorist come from?
how and why do people become terrorists?

Want the answers to those questions? Then I suggest you read Understanding Terror Networks by Marc Sageman... it's an empiricle study of terrorism from the socio-psychological standpoint. as in, "who joins terror cells, how, and why"...

start there!

are you dense?

I'm looking for your answers, how you see it, what your perspective on this is. Ever made up your own ideas in your life?

If you are going to insinuate that I dont think for myself, at least make sure you reply to something *I* said instead of something someone else said.

Thanks!

There will never be an essay entitled "Terrorists, the how and why" - by Kappo.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Kappo

I am not familiar with the liberal crap out there for the past few months... nor the conservative crap, either. I watch events and make my own opinion instead of mooching it from moveon.org or salon.com.

Moveon is a political group that puts on rallys, they are not a information source, salon is not a used source here and they to are just a website. (at least I dont see links to them often and have maybe read it once or twice in my whole life)

Neither of which play any real role in our society or anyones mindset. (except for a very cliche right wing strawman.)

Your example of I dont read coulter is kinda funny, becasue guess what, I do, moreso then moveon or salon.com by miles, you cant help it, becasue people like her that speak to the lowest base of revenge, fear of differences, and fear period is the most base way to rally people. The same thing as a jihadist rally those who would blow themselves up, but people like coulter are preaching a kind of jihad that instead of strapping on dynamite to get revenge for what israel or some infidel strawman has done she preaches a base hate value and distrust of our own people that asks us as americans to give up what sets us above that kind of speech, and to in effect strap the dynamite on to blow up what makes this country great, a level headed approach and smart policy, not base anger and revenge and who is tougher lets go get them evildoers with no regard to consequences and is it just plain a trap.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar
Kappo,
where do those terrorist come from? how and why do people become terrorists?

answer that pleeeeease

Oh.. yeah we must have made them :roll: Because there was never a terrorist before GWB!

Im not sure what the liberal "truth" on that matter is, so I cant tell you what you want to hear.

you failed to answer the questions, this is about your perspective on the matter, since you seem to know so much about this they should be easy

where do those terrorist come from?
how and why do people become terrorists?

Want the answers to those questions? Then I suggest you read Understanding Terror Networks by Marc Sageman... it's an empiricle study of terrorism from the socio-psychological standpoint. as in, "who joins terror cells, how, and why"...

start there!

are you dense?

I'm looking for your answers, how you see it, what your perspective on this is. Ever made up your own ideas in your life?

my "own ideas" on the origins of terrorism, and the who, how, and why they join terrorist groups are based on research and firsthand experience. That said, every theory in the world is just that, a theory. So what do you want?

I prefer firsthand experiences combined with empirical and analytical research to meer speculation... maybe you dont.

 

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Kappo

I am not familiar with the liberal crap out there for the past few months... nor the conservative crap, either. I watch events and make my own opinion instead of mooching it from moveon.org or salon.com.

Moveon is a political group that puts on rallys, they are not a information source, salon is not a used source here and they to are just a website. (at least I dont see links to them often and have maybe read it once or twice in my whole life)

Neither of which play any real role in our society or anyones mindset. (except for a very cliche right wing strawman.)

Your example of I dont read coulter is kinda funny, becasue guess what, I do, moreso then moveon or salon.com by miles, you cant help it, becasue people like her that speak to the lowest base of revenge, fear of differences, and fear period is the most base way to rally people. The same thing as a jihadist rally those who would blow themselves up, but people like coulter are praching a kind of jihad that instead of strapping on dynamite to get revenge for what israel or some infidel strawman has done she preaches a base hate value and distrush that asks us as americans to give up what sets us above that kind of speech, and to in effect strap the dynamite on to blow up what makes this country great, a level headed approach and smart policy, not base anger and revenge.

You are perfectly entitled to reading the radicals from any group you choose. I prefer a more moderate and less kooky approach.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87
There are millions of documents we havent gone through yet. You can expect more of these types of findings as things get translated.

It will be one of those things where the link is credible but the time has passed so much before we finally get all of the documentation translated nobody will care.

doesnt change the fact that nothing stated as reasons for the war were true, thats the crux of the matter... can we go to war on false accusations?

If they are proven false after the fact, yes.

You cant find anybody in their right mind who truely believed Saddam didnt have WMD in 2002 early 2003. Not even the beloved democrats.

has any of it been proven true?

Well the inspectors in Iraq thought Saddam didnt have any, or were they not in the know?

They were absent for nearly 4 years before being let back in. You tell me in 4 years what Saddam "could" have done and can UN inspectors retrace ground lost in 4 years in 3 months?

So saddam might have restarted his wmd program in 4 years and made a new stockpile without any evidence?

Thats a big if you got there.

In 2002 would anybody believe he destroyed his stockpiles without the UN forcing his hand and why would they believe that?

btw do me a favor and read this and tell me after reading that if you would believe Saddam voluntarily destroyed his weapons from the end of 1998 to the end of 2002.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unscom/Chronology/chronologyframe.htm

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar
Kappo,
where do those terrorist come from? how and why do people become terrorists?

answer that pleeeeease

Oh.. yeah we must have made them :roll: Because there was never a terrorist before GWB!

Im not sure what the liberal "truth" on that matter is, so I cant tell you what you want to hear.

you failed to answer the questions, this is about your perspective on the matter, since you seem to know so much about this they should be easy

where do those terrorist come from?
how and why do people become terrorists?

Want the answers to those questions? Then I suggest you read Understanding Terror Networks by Marc Sageman... it's an empiricle study of terrorism from the socio-psychological standpoint. as in, "who joins terror cells, how, and why"...

start there!

are you dense?

I'm looking for your answers, how you see it, what your perspective on this is. Ever made up your own ideas in your life?

If you are going to insinuate that I dont think for myself, at least make sure you reply to something *I* said instead of something someone else said.

Thanks!

There will never be an essay entitled "Terrorists, the how and why" - by Kappo.

Its easy when I have asked you three times for an answer but you have dodged it every time. Why is it hard to answer? you dont have to go into details, just the very basics of why.

Going to answer or dodge?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Genx87


In 2002 would anybody believe he destroyed his stockpiles without the UN forcing his hand and why would they believe that?

By 2002 the war was long over with and we should have just ignored him as he is just a bigmouth twit with no sugermomma america feeding him anymore.

You can't be the world police, and if you try you are going to make more enemies then friends in the long run, american values do not fit in everywhere.

 

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Kappo

Originally posted by: Czar
Kappo,
where do those terrorist come from? how and why do people become terrorists?

answer that pleeeeease

Oh.. yeah we must have made them :roll: Because there was never a terrorist before GWB!

Im not sure what the liberal "truth" on that matter is, so I cant tell you what you want to hear.

you failed to answer the questions, this is about your perspective on the matter, since you seem to know so much about this they should be easy

where do those terrorist come from?
how and why do people become terrorists?

Want the answers to those questions? Then I suggest you read Understanding Terror Networks by Marc Sageman... it's an empiricle study of terrorism from the socio-psychological standpoint. as in, "who joins terror cells, how, and why"...

start there!

are you dense?

I'm looking for your answers, how you see it, what your perspective on this is. Ever made up your own ideas in your life?

If you are going to insinuate that I dont think for myself, at least make sure you reply to something *I* said instead of something someone else said.

Thanks!

There will never be an essay entitled "Terrorists, the how and why" - by Kappo.

Its easy when I have asked you three times for an answer but you have dodged it every time. Why is it hard to answer? you dont have to go into details, just the very basics of why.

Going to answer or dodge?

Well, neither, actually.
a) you really arent interested in my opinion, you are simply looking for something you can use as an opening or whatnot (ala democraticunderground.com).

b) I am an exceptionally lazy human. Its not a short answer for me.

c) what motivation do I have to appease you?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Genx87


In 2002 would anybody believe he destroyed his stockpiles without the UN forcing his hand and why would they believe that?

By 2002 the war was long over with and we should have just ignored him as he is just a bigmouth twit with no sugermomma america feeding him anymore.

Based on what? Knowledge from 2006?

You can't be the world police, and if you try you are going to make more enemies then friends in the long run, american values do not fit in everywhere.

We have been wiping the ass of the world since 1945, I dont see it ending anytime soon.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87
There are millions of documents we havent gone through yet. You can expect more of these types of findings as things get translated.

It will be one of those things where the link is credible but the time has passed so much before we finally get all of the documentation translated nobody will care.

doesnt change the fact that nothing stated as reasons for the war were true, thats the crux of the matter... can we go to war on false accusations?

If they are proven false after the fact, yes.

You cant find anybody in their right mind who truely believed Saddam didnt have WMD in 2002 early 2003. Not even the beloved democrats.

has any of it been proven true?

Well the inspectors in Iraq thought Saddam didnt have any, or were they not in the know?

They were absent for nearly 4 years before being let back in. You tell me in 4 years what Saddam "could" have done and can UN inspectors retrace ground lost in 4 years in 3 months?

So saddam might have restarted his wmd program in 4 years and made a new stockpile without any evidence?

Thats a big if you got there.

In 2002 would anybody believe he destroyed his stockpiles without the UN forcing his hand and why would they believe that?

Not that he destroyed them, but merely like it seems to be the case that they were lost/destroyed in the aftermath of the first gulf war.

Before the inspectors left they had no evidence that saddam had an active wmd program or any signs that he might pick it up any time soon.

The only evidence so far gathered were the tools stored in some scientist garden and according to him Saddam was waiting for the embargo to be lifted so he could start again.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Kappo
Well, neither, actually.
a) you really arent interested in my opinion, you are simply looking for something you can use as an opening or whatnot (ala democraticunderground.com).

b) I am an exceptionally lazy human. Its not a short answer for me.

c) what motivation do I have to appease you?

I am interested in your opinion since I have been reading some of your posts here lately and I would love to know some more about the why. Helps me understand your state of mind, so far it has been very confusing.

If you are lazy then a short version should be easy for you.

All depends on what you are here for, discuss or troll.

 

[Kappo]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Genx87
There are millions of documents we havent gone through yet. You can expect more of these types of findings as things get translated.

It will be one of those things where the link is credible but the time has passed so much before we finally get all of the documentation translated nobody will care.

doesnt change the fact that nothing stated as reasons for the war were true, thats the crux of the matter... can we go to war on false accusations?

If they are proven false after the fact, yes.

You cant find anybody in their right mind who truely believed Saddam didnt have WMD in 2002 early 2003. Not even the beloved democrats.

has any of it been proven true?

Well the inspectors in Iraq thought Saddam didnt have any, or were they not in the know?

They were absent for nearly 4 years before being let back in. You tell me in 4 years what Saddam "could" have done and can UN inspectors retrace ground lost in 4 years in 3 months?

So saddam might have restarted his wmd program in 4 years and made a new stockpile without any evidence?

Thats a big if you got there.

In 2002 would anybody believe he destroyed his stockpiles without the UN forcing his hand and why would they believe that?

Not that he destroyed them, but merely like it seems to be the case that they were lost/destroyed in the aftermath of the first gulf war.

Before the inspectors left they had no evidence that saddam had an active wmd program or any signs that he might pick it up any time soon.

The only evidence so far gathered were the tools stored in some scientist garden and according to him Saddam was waiting for the embargo to be lifted so he could start again.

Wether or not he had them was irrelevant to me. Someone running a country threatening or trying to insinuate that he does have this capability is enough reason to step over the UN and flatten them.

I agree that we SHOULD not be the world police. But who else will do it? The UN?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Genx87


In 2002 would anybody believe he destroyed his stockpiles without the UN forcing his hand and why would they believe that?

By 2002 the war was long over with and we should have just ignored him as he is just a bigmouth twit with no sugermomma america feeding him anymore.

Based on what? Knowledge from 2006?

You can't be the world police, and if you try you are going to make more enemies then friends in the long run, american values do not fit in everywhere.

We have been wiping the ass of the world since 1945, I dont see it ending anytime soon.

Wrong, we have been using the world as our toilet paper since far before 1945 seeing fit to wipe where is convienent to our interests.

We just happened to be lucky enough to be the only major power not bombed into rubble and used that to expand our imperialism on a much broader scale.