Saddam Threatens to Expose US

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Saddam Threatens to Expose US
P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News Staff


JEDDAH, 27December 2003 ? Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, now being grilled by American investigators, has reportedly warned US authorities that he will expose Washington?s ?political games? and its behind-the-scene role in the occupation of Kuwait.

?Saddam threatened that if they continue to pressure him he will reveal startling facts ? about America?s political games with his country ? that would shock the whole world,? Al-Watan Arabic daily quoted a high-level European source as saying.

The source said Saddam had stopped answering the investigators? questions and asked them to ?give him enough time to clear his mind.? He did not elaborate further, the source added.

The source confirmed that the investigators approached Saddam with a list of Iraqi scientists involved in the development of weapons of mass destruction but Saddam told them that they were developing nuclear and chemical technology for civilian purposes, the paper said.

According to the European source close to US investigators, Saddam also said that he would ask the International Court of Justice in The Hague to try the United States for its crimes against the Iraqi people for allegedly using internationally prohibited weapons against the Iraqis during the last two wars against his country.

?If the Americans want to try me in a court of law, they should also try high-ranking international officials,? the source quoted the former Iraqi dictator as saying. Saddam has insisted that his statements are recorded verbatim, the paper said. The source said Saddam neither prayed not read the Qur?an, it added.

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&ion=0&article=37091&d=27&m=12&y=2003
 

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Lemme guess - he'll say something to the effect of "April Gillespie gave me the green light".
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Exclusive: Saddam key in early CIA plot

By Richard Sale
UPI Intelligence Correspondent
Published 4/10/2003 7:30 PM
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U.S. forces in Baghdad might now be searching high and low for Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, but in the past Saddam was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism and they used him as their instrument for more than 40 years, according to former U.S. intelligence diplomats and intelligence officials.

United Press International has interviewed almost a dozen former U.S. diplomats, British scholars and former U.S. intelligence officials to piece together the following account. The CIA declined to comment on the report.

While many have thought that Saddam first became involved with U.S. intelligence agencies at the start of the September 1980 Iran-Iraq war, his first contacts with U.S. officials date back to 1959, when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with assassinating then Iraqi Prime Minister Gen. Abd al-Karim Qasim.

In July 1958, Qasim had overthrown the Iraqi monarchy in what one former U.S. diplomat, who asked not to be identified, described as "a horrible orgy of bloodshed."

According to current and former U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, Iraq was then regarded as a key buffer and strategic asset in the Cold War with the Soviet Union. For example, in the mid-1950s, Iraq was quick to join the anti-Soviet Baghdad Pact which was to defend the region and whose members included Turkey, Britain, Iran and Pakistan.

Little attention was paid to Qasim's bloody and conspiratorial regime until his sudden decision to withdraw from the pact in 1959, an act that "freaked everybody out" according to a former senior U.S. State Department official.

Washington watched in marked dismay as Qasim began to buy arms from the Soviet Union and put his own domestic communists into ministry positions of "real power," according to this official. The domestic instability of the country prompted CIA Director Allan Dulles to say publicly that Iraq was "the most dangerous spot in the world."

In the mid-1980s, Miles Copeland, a veteran CIA operative, told UPI the CIA had enjoyed "close ties" with Qasim's ruling Baath Party, just as it had close connections with the intelligence service of Egyptian leader Gamel Abd Nassar. In a recent public statement, Roger Morris, a former National Security Council staffer in the 1970s, confirmed this claim, saying that the CIA had chosen the authoritarian and anti-communist Baath Party "as its instrument."

According to another former senior State Department official, Saddam, while only in his early 20s, became a part of a U.S. plot to get rid of Qasim. According to this source, Saddam was installed in an apartment in Baghdad on al-Rashid Street directly opposite Qasim's office in Iraq's Ministry of Defense, to observe Qasim's movements.

Adel Darwish, Middle East expert and author of "Unholy Babylon," said the move was done "with full knowledge of the CIA," and that Saddam's CIA handler was an Iraqi dentist working for CIA and Egyptian intelligence. U.S. officials separately confirmed Darwish's account.

Darwish said that Saddam's paymaster was Capt. Abdel Maquid Farid, the assistant military attaché at the Egyptian Embassy who paid for the apartment from his own personal account. Three former senior U.S. officials have confirmed that this is accurate.

The assassination was set for Oct. 7, 1959, but it was completely botched. Accounts differ. One former CIA official said that the 22-year-old Saddam lost his nerve and began firing too soon, killing Qasim's driver and only wounding Qasim in the shoulder and arm. Darwish told UPI that one of the assassins had bullets that did not fit his gun and that another had a hand grenade that got stuck in the lining of his coat.

"It bordered on farce," a former senior U.S. intelligence official said. But Qasim, hiding on the floor of his car, escaped death, and Saddam, whose calf had been grazed by a fellow would-be assassin, escaped to Tikrit, thanks to CIA and Egyptian intelligence agents, several U.S. government officials said.

Saddam then crossed into Syria and was transferred by Egyptian intelligence agents to Beirut, according to Darwish and former senior CIA officials. While Saddam was in Beirut, the CIA paid for Saddam's apartment and put him through a brief training course, former CIA officials said. The agency then helped him get to Cairo, they said.

One former U.S. government official, who knew Saddam at the time, said that even then Saddam "was known as having no class. He was a thug -- a cutthroat."

In Cairo, Saddam was installed in an apartment in the upper class neighborhood of Dukki and spent his time playing dominos in the Indiana Café, watched over by CIA and Egyptian intelligence operatives, according to Darwish and former U.S. intelligence officials.

One former senior U.S. government official said: "In Cairo, I often went to Groppie Café at Emad Eldine Pasha Street, which was very posh, very upper class. Saddam would not have fit in there. The Indiana was your basic dive."

But during this time Saddam was making frequent visits to the American Embassy where CIA specialists such as Miles Copeland and CIA station chief Jim Eichelberger were in residence and knew Saddam, former U.S. intelligence officials said.

Saddam's U.S. handlers even pushed Saddam to get his Egyptian handlers to raise his monthly allowance, a gesture not appreciated by Egyptian officials since they knew of Saddam's American connection, according to Darwish. His assertion was confirmed by former U.S. diplomat in Egypt at the time.

In February 1963 Qasim was killed in a Baath Party coup. Morris claimed recently that the CIA was behind the coup, which was sanctioned by President John F. Kennedy, but a former very senior CIA official strongly denied this.

"We were absolutely stunned. We had guys running around asking what the hell had happened," this official said.

But the agency quickly moved into action. Noting that the Baath Party was hunting down Iraq's communist, the CIA provided the submachine gun-toting Iraqi National Guardsmen with lists of suspected communists who were then jailed, interrogated, and summarily gunned down, according to former U.S. intelligence officials with intimate knowledge of the executions.

Many suspected communists were killed outright, these sources said. Darwish told UPI that the mass killings, presided over by Saddam, took place at Qasr al-Nehayat, literally, the Palace of the End.

A former senior U.S. State Department official told UPI: "We were frankly glad to be rid of them. You ask that they get a fair trial? You have to get kidding. This was serious business."

A former senior CIA official said: "It was a bit like the mysterious killings of Iran's communists just after Ayatollah Khomeini came to power in 1979. All 4,000 of his communists suddenly got killed."

British scholar Con Coughlin, author of "Saddam: King of Terror," quotes Jim Critchfield, then a senior Middle East agency official, as saying the killing of Qasim and the communists was regarded "as a great victory." A former long-time covert U.S. intelligence operative and friend of Critchfield said: "Jim was an old Middle East hand. He wasn't sorry to see the communists go at all. Hey, we were playing for keeps."

Saddam, in the meantime, became head of al-Jihaz a-Khas, the secret intelligence apparatus of the Baath Party.

The CIA/Defense Intelligence Agency relation with Saddam intensified after the start of the Iran-Iraq war in September of 1980. During the war, the CIA regularly sent a team to Saddam to deliver battlefield intelligence obtained from Saudi AWACS surveillance aircraft to aid the effectiveness of Iraq's armed forces, according to a former DIA official, part of a U.S. interagency intelligence group.

This former official said that he personally had signed off on a document that shared U.S. satellite intelligence with both Iraq and Iran in an attempt to produce a military stalemate. "When I signed it, I thought I was losing my mind," the former official told UPI.

A former CIA official said that Saddam had assigned a top team of three senior officers from the Estikhbarat, Iraq's military intelligence, to meet with the Americans.

According to Darwish, the CIA and DIA provided military assistance to Saddam's ferocious February 1988 assault on Iranian positions in the al-Fao peninsula by blinding Iranian radars for three days.

The Saddam-U.S. intelligence alliance of convenience came to an end at 2 a.m. Aug. 2, 1990, when 100,000 Iraqi troops, backed by 300 tanks, invaded its neighbor, Kuwait. America's one-time ally had become its bitterest enemy.
Copyright © 2001-2003 United Press International
 

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Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Exclusive: Saddam key in early CIA plot

I hate to burst your bubble but this is old news. Did you also kow that the CIA also gave money to bin laden? Do a search on google.

 

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Looks like we better release him and put him back in power...
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It is going to be comical to see the BS he pulls out of his ass during the last days of his life.
 

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Noriega tried the same tactic for zero net results. He's still in prison, likely to never leave.
 

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Originally posted by: P.O.W.
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Exclusive: Saddam key in early CIA plot

I hate to burst your bubble but this is old news. Did you also kow that the CIA also gave money to bin laden? Do a search on google.

Old news indeed. I thought this was common knowledge by now...
 

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Reuters
Saddam Giving Info on Weapons and Funds-Official
Mon December 29, 2003 06:17 AM ET

DUBAI (Reuters) - Saddam Hussein has given his U.S. captors information on hidden weapons and as much as $40 billion he may have seized while he was Iraq's president, an Iraqi official was quoted as saying on Monday.
"Saddam has confessed the names of people he told to keep the money and he gave names of those who have information on equipment and weapons warehouses," Iyad Allawi, a member of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council, told the London-based Asharq al-Awsat daily.

"The Governing Council is searching for $40 billion worth of funds seized by Saddam when he was in power and which has been deposited in Switzerland, Japan, Germany and other countries under the names of fictitious companies," Allawi said.

He said the council had asked international legal companies to track the money.

Allawi said interrogators were now focusing on whether Saddam -- arrested by U.S. forces this month and held at an undisclosed site -- had any links to militant groups.

"Interrogators are now focusing on the relationship between him and terrorist organizations and on funds paid to groups outside Iraq," Allawi told the newspaper.

It is not clear whether Saddam was ever behind ambushes that have killed at least 211 U.S. soldiers since Washington declared major combat over on May 1.

The capture of Saddam has not ended guerrilla activity in Iraq, which U.S. officials believe involves non-Iraqi militant Islamist guerrillas and Saddam loyalists.

well take your pick...
he's either got the U.S. by the short hairs.....(according to the arab news source)
or he's spilling his guts (according to Reuters)
 

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
ARABNEWS.com???? OMG, that's practically an oxymoron.
Because Allah knows sub-humans like Arabs couldn't possibly gather and report news.
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I for one would like to know what our USA foriegn policy actually is & does.
Sadam knows a little of it. But my understanding is that the CIA has taken over full control of Sadam and the interigation.
To me this means that we won't ever get the truth, the whole truth, & nothing but the truth.
Or even a little of it. Because of the long partnership between the CIA & Sadam,
I don't expect the CIA to change their policy to one that includes honest disclosure to the American people.

So, I'm going to be a bit wairy of Sadam news in the future, because it will probably be filtered through our propaganda machine.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
ARABNEWS.com???? OMG, that's practically an oxymoron.
Because Allah knows sub-humans like Arabs couldn't possibly gather and report news.
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Just because it's coming from an arab source doesn't mean it's untrue.
 

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
ARABNEWS.com???? OMG, that's practically an oxymoron.
Because Allah knows sub-humans like Arabs couldn't possibly gather and report news.
rolleye.gif

exactly, thats why arab nations are still 3rd world instead of devolping or industrialized.
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alchemize

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
ARABNEWS.com???? OMG, that's practically an oxymoron.
Because Allah knows sub-humans like Arabs couldn't possibly gather and report news.
rolleye.gif

Just because it's coming from an arab source doesn't mean it's untrue.
Yah, I'm sure the arab news has exclusive access to the CIA interrogators. OH it came from a European source? Well, I'm sure the CIA is giving daily briefs to our "allies" in Europe.

Sure, arabs can gather and report news. They can also distribute propaganda with the best of them. My guess, this falls in the latter.

 

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
ARABNEWS.com???? OMG, that's practically an oxymoron.
Because Allah knows sub-humans like Arabs couldn't possibly gather and report news.
rolleye.gif

exactly, thats why arab nations are still 3rd world instead of devolping or industrialized.
rolleye.gif

I see the bigot stopped by with his third rate mind.
 
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
ARABNEWS.com???? OMG, that's practically an oxymoron.
Because Allah knows sub-humans like Arabs couldn't possibly gather and report news.
rolleye.gif

exactly, thats why arab nations are still 3rd world instead of devolping or industrialized.
rolleye.gif

I see the bigot stopped by with his third rate mind.

Ad hominim
 

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I see no problem with his logic. If the US has in fact used illegal weapons in our attacks then they need to be held accountable. He should let it all out, and let the truth set him free. NO nation is above the law. No matter how just and right the political system makes everyone feel. If it is a tactic to delay his trial, then they need to press on. With all said and done the US ultimately needs to abide by the laws and treaties that we have signed, and not overlook what the real issue is. If we don't, then the US is no better than any other country in the world, including Iraq. The US formally went to war with Iraq due to the WOMD claims, and there are none. WHOOPS! Then in fact his urserption from power is not very legal. Taking him out just because he is a scum bag isn't enough reason. If that were all it took then the world has every right to take out our Government at several times during the last decade. The US seems to feel it has the right to choose governmenets at the drop of a dime. Time and time again this has occured, and to what avail. I would find it very ironic if at the end of the game it was the US government being tried and convicted of war crimes against other nations.
 

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Originally posted by: Wolfdog
I see no problem with his logic. If the US has in fact used illegal weapons in our attacks then they need to be held accountable. He should let it all out, and let the truth set him free. NO nation is above the law. No matter how just and right the political system makes everyone feel. If it is a tactic to delay his trial, then they need to press on. With all said and done the US ultimately needs to abide by the laws and treaties that we have signed, and not overlook what the real issue is. If we don't, then the US is no better than any other country in the world, including Iraq. The US formally went to war with Iraq due to the WOMD claims, and there are none. WHOOPS! Then in fact his urserption from power is not very legal. Taking him out just because he is a scum bag isn't enough reason. If that were all it took then the world has every right to take out our Government at several times during the last decade. The US seems to feel it has the right to choose governmenets at the drop of a dime. Time and time again this has occured, and to what avail. I would find it very ironic if at the end of the game it was the US government being tried and convicted of war crimes against other nations.

Unfortunately, the US is not a party to nearly all of the major international treaties and covenants (ie International Declaration of Human Rights, International Treaty Banning Land Mines, International Criminal Court [Rome Statute], etc ,etc ,etc] thus providing it legal coverage and near impunity when it comes to some sort of international proceedings infront of a legal body.
 
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Taking him out just because he is a scum bag isn't enough reason

How about because he and his regime routinely *murdered* and *imprisoned* the people of Iraq for their OPINIONS and the differences in their beliefs about the invisible man in the sky? Will that do as justification for you, or does he have to feed YOUR father feet-first into the plastic shredder?

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How about because he and his regime routinely *murdered* and *imprisoned* the people of Iraq for their OPINIONS and the differences in their beliefs about the invisible man in the sky? Will that do as justification for you, or does he have to feed YOUR father feet-first into the plastic shredder?

All of which the US has done in the past. In fact we have imprisioned people in the guantanamo base without any legal recourse. Without any process. Theres democracy and justice for you. Murdering someone is all in the opionion of the people doing the murdering. The fact that we went into Iraq without justification would mean that the soldiers that died on the Iraqi side were "murdered" by the US troops. Since they were trying to defend thier homeland. Not to long ago the gracious Americans were burning crosses, raping, killing blacks just for a difference in appearance. Not to mention "murdered" and betrayed on death row for crimes that they never committed. All of the blatently terrible things that the US has perpertrated against foreign bodies in the past makes no excuse for what Saddam did, but it doesn't excuse us from the exact thing either. There are too many to count, yet seem to be pushed aside with the "US is always right" attitude.
 

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
ARABNEWS.com???? OMG, that's practically an oxymoron.
Because Allah knows sub-humans like Arabs couldn't possibly gather and report news.
rolleye.gif

exactly, thats why arab nations are still 3rd world instead of devolping or industrialized.
rolleye.gif

I see the bigot stopped by with his third rate mind.

Ad hominim

Since when did a hominim equal a bigot and your link don't work.