Saddam asked Bush for $1bn to go into exile two months before the invasion

[RightIsWrong]

I can think of 3800+ people and their families that would consider the $1B a real bargain.

But enough about them....we need to dispose him ourselves so that the world can know that GWB is a real cowboy and isn't afraid to get other people's hands bloody if needed. Support the troops, just not in a way that actually benefits them. :roll:

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: maluckey

Naturally if they paid him the $1B, no insurgency would have arisen. The peace loving tribes there would have immediately evolved into a peace loving democracy, not rushed to fill the power vacuum, by slaughtering as many of the opposition as possible. Damn the US!

Funny as hell! They've fought for 4000 years over here, and just becuase the Butcher of Baghdad gets paid a Billion, they hold hands and sing Kumbayah around the fire and take up growing hemp for lotion, rope and their sandals.

NOT!!

Yeah it's funny that the end result would have been the same, yet we are 1 trillion dollars shorts or soon to be and we have thousands dead and tens of thousands wounded.

Yeah, it was worth it.

Funny as hell I tell you, I can hardly contain my glee.


Hahaha.

Ha.

Nothing like a good belly laugh about wasted lives to get my Thursday started off right.

Ha.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: eits
this story needs to be validated before it can be taken seriously...

Why?

The war has not been validated.

You want to lower yourself to how the Bush administration does things?

If you think they are wrong, would you not be wrong to walk down the same path?

Look Dave, sometimes you're right, sometimes you just get carried away, the problem is that no one really knows when you're seriously onto something or when you are just posting because you refuse to give up on an idea proven wrong.

I'm not against you, nor do i hate you or am willing to ridicule you but you seriously need to step back and take a look at your life. You got a woman? Do something you haven't done in a long time, the world will be ok without you watching, at least for a day or two.

You get my point i'm sure. 😉

In some way, I agree with dmcowen674.

Think of it this way, do you fight fair when someone is trying to hurt you? Do you fight fair when the opponent is nothing but a monster? Why should we have to fight fair with these people anymore, they no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't matter if Bush himself decided to cure and release the cure for cancer, there is no longer a reason to respect a word this administration says.

Despicable.

So yes, I'd get down to their level to stamp out their power if I could. The same way I'd kill to defend myself from a murderer/attacker. I mean, if you keep the high-ground all the time, sometimes you cannot reach anything below you.

Am I wrong? I guess I don't even know anymore.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

So few get it, who the fuck is GW Bush to ask the leader of a Sovereign nation to resign?

Anyone who truly believes that GW believe ANY of the bull that was presented and disproved in the national arena, anyone who actually believes that, well, you are delusional, every each and one of you, every piece of evidence presented from the RC planes with less than a mile range to the stockpiles and their locations, it was known BEFORE the invasion by everyone but the US it seems.

There wasn't any reason to invade, none, not one person who had any say believed that Iraq had any WMD's at the time of the invasion, not any terrorist ties either.

Iraq was the worst enemy AQ had in the ME, before the invasion, now it's like AQ's playground and it's lost, not even 500k would be able to do jack shit there any more, it's a lost cause.

 

[StageLeft]

Actually, I think Gates just asked for $190B, not $100B 🙂

I thought I read someplace that GWB was willing to do it if Saddam confessed to having WMD's?

HAHA, it would have been a lie.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
So few get it, who the fuck is GW Bush to ask the leader of a Sovereign nation to resign?

Anyone who truly believes that GW believe ANY of the bull that was presented and disproved in the national arena, anyone who actually believes that, well, you are delusional, every each and one of you, every piece of evidence presented from the RC planes with less than a mile range to the stockpiles and their locations, it was known BEFORE the invasion by everyone but the US it seems.

There wasn't any reason to invade, none, not one person who had any say believed that Iraq had any WMD's at the time of the invasion, not any terrorist ties either.

Iraq was the worst enemy AQ had in the ME, before the invasion, now it's like AQ's playground and it's lost, not even 500k would be able to do jack shit there any more, it's a lost cause.

You're a worthless defeatest. And British MI was telling the CIA that there were WMDs in Iraq prior to the invasion.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
So few get it, who the fuck is GW Bush to ask the leader of a Sovereign nation to resign?

Anyone who truly believes that GW believe ANY of the bull that was presented and disproved in the national arena, anyone who actually believes that, well, you are delusional, every each and one of you, every piece of evidence presented from the RC planes with less than a mile range to the stockpiles and their locations, it was known BEFORE the invasion by everyone but the US it seems.

There wasn't any reason to invade, none, not one person who had any say believed that Iraq had any WMD's at the time of the invasion, not any terrorist ties either.

Iraq was the worst enemy AQ had in the ME, before the invasion, now it's like AQ's playground and it's lost, not even 500k would be able to do jack shit there any more, it's a lost cause.

You're a worthless defeatest. And British MI was telling the CIA that there were WMDs in Iraq prior to the invasion.

And you're an imperialist-supporting warmongering partisan hack-job!

Oooo I can name-call with no useful input, too! This is fun, do it again!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: eits
this story needs to be validated before it can be taken seriously...

Why?

The war has not been validated.

You want to lower yourself to how the Bush administration does things?

If you think they are wrong, would you not be wrong to walk down the same path?

Look Dave, sometimes you're right, sometimes you just get carried away, the problem is that no one really knows when you're seriously onto something or when you are just posting because you refuse to give up on an idea proven wrong.

I'm not against you, nor do i hate you or am willing to ridicule you but you seriously need to step back and take a look at your life. You got a woman? Do something you haven't done in a long time, the world will be ok without you watching, at least for a day or two.

You get my point i'm sure. 😉

In some way, I agree with dmcowen674.

Think of it this way, do you fight fair when someone is trying to hurt you? Do you fight fair when the opponent is nothing but a monster? Why should we have to fight fair with these people anymore, they no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't matter if Bush himself decided to cure and release the cure for cancer, there is no longer a reason to respect a word this administration says.

Despicable.

So yes, I'd get down to their level to stamp out their power if I could. The same way I'd kill to defend myself from a murderer/attacker. I mean, if you keep the high-ground all the time, sometimes you cannot reach anything below you.

Am I wrong? I guess I don't even know anymore.

I never fight fair if i get to fight dirty, why would i give up an upper hand advantage when my life and the life of those that stand behind me depend upon it.

Only three out of ten people would ever fight an attacker, the rest would apologize and plead for their lives, i don't know which kind you are but i'd put you amongst the three before the hard-arses who play tough with others lives.

dmcowen is a good guy with good intentions who tends to get carried away at times, there are few people on this forum i'd rather have by my side (besides the obvious choices of TallBill, Train and Palehorse) than him because if he's nothing else, he's honest and a person i could count on to do what is right if he believes in it.

 

[maluckey]

JOS,

And the Brits are innocent of ANY meddling in the ME as well all know😉 Get over yourself...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
So few get it, who the fuck is GW Bush to ask the leader of a Sovereign nation to resign?

Anyone who truly believes that GW believe ANY of the bull that was presented and disproved in the national arena, anyone who actually believes that, well, you are delusional, every each and one of you, every piece of evidence presented from the RC planes with less than a mile range to the stockpiles and their locations, it was known BEFORE the invasion by everyone but the US it seems.

There wasn't any reason to invade, none, not one person who had any say believed that Iraq had any WMD's at the time of the invasion, not any terrorist ties either.

Iraq was the worst enemy AQ had in the ME, before the invasion, now it's like AQ's playground and it's lost, not even 500k would be able to do jack shit there any more, it's a lost cause.

You're a worthless defeatest. And British MI was telling the CIA that there were WMDs in Iraq prior to the invasion.

Actually, it's been known for quite some time that the information wasn't presented as such to the CIA and that is why the CIA didn't present the information as such either.

I don't really give a fuck about that though, if you are looking for someone to defend the UK alliance you'll need to look elsewhere, i am for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Iraq was a war that i had to partake in but never agreed with, it was just stupid, a deflection and quite possibly the biggest mistake that allowed not only Al Quaida to grow but also the Taliban.

I don't get your problem though, i did my best when i was in Baghdad, as expected of me, but that was some time ago and from the day i got there to this day it's only been getting worse.

This is Cheneys war, not any military war, he is the one who disregarded the troop requirements, he's the one who is responsible for this mess, but you love that guy so...

But yet again, the UK MI intelligence did not present anything that was presented at the UN or to the US congress so i am curious... WTH are you referring to son?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: maluckey
JOS,

And the Brits are innocent of ANY meddling in the ME as well all know😉 Get over yourself...

Ehhh, where did that come from, did i say anything to the contrary? Did i say that the UK hasn't been meddling in the ME?

Explain to me how this has anything to do with anything i've referred to.

See the difference is that the UK has been an imperalistic nation for centuries and we have realised our wrongdoings and given back the land.

Are you saying the US are just using excuses to build an empire by military might now?

 

[Aimster]

so how much has the war cost us so far?

 

[Stoneburner]

Exile is fairly common and effective. Very few people who post here seem to be substantially familiar with history.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
I don't think there is any room under that bed. The pussified chickenhawk keyboard soldiers aren't giving up their spots down there any time soon.

Ah, you mean the fat ass Congressmen sitting in marble and oak debating whether to fund the troops? Our so-called "leaders" who are more interested in what MoveOn.org has to say than the commanding General?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
So few get it, who the fuck is GW Bush to ask the leader of a Sovereign nation to resign?

Anyone who truly believes that GW believe ANY of the bull that was presented and disproved in the national arena, anyone who actually believes that, well, you are delusional, every each and one of you, every piece of evidence presented from the RC planes with less than a mile range to the stockpiles and their locations, it was known BEFORE the invasion by everyone but the US it seems.

There wasn't any reason to invade, none, not one person who had any say believed that Iraq had any WMD's at the time of the invasion, not any terrorist ties either.

Iraq was the worst enemy AQ had in the ME, before the invasion, now it's like AQ's playground and it's lost, not even 500k would be able to do jack shit there any more, it's a lost cause.

Including everyone in the US Senate? Every intelligence agency who looked (in multiple countries) concluded he had wmds. Saddam even pretended he had them. They were all wrong. The war did not and is not going well, but don't get all revisionist on us.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Exactly! You can't give the bad guy a billion dollars to stop being bad. Saddaam had to be brought to justice for the good of the Iraqi people. That's what the war was about: freedom.

Why are you saying the opposite of Bush on what the war was about?

Bush said that if Saddam complied with the WMD disclosures/destruction, then there would be no war, period - no mention of all of other Saddam's repressions, he'd be left in power.

Bush's stated policy directly contradicts your claim that the war was about 'freedom', given that Bush promised to leave Saddam in power if WMD were addressed.

 

[brokendolly]

Too bad someone didn't offer bush 1b.

 

[maluckey]

Too bad we don't offer each of our esteemed ongressmen each a Billion to go away.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Narmer
Why didn't he just take it from his own bank like one of his sons did? Or did he want to keep the money?

If he wanted to keep the money, then it would've been logical to just give him the money and saved billions in the process for American citizens. But this is politics we're talking about here. Logic rarely comes into play. Opinion matters more and so does labelling people/things/events to simplify things for voters.

This just goes to show that politicians will exert all other options before making the right one.

Yep, we should just hand every dictator a billion bucks and hope he crawls under the bed.

The left-wing logic is bewildering.

Exactly! You can't give the bad guy a billion dollars to stop being bad. Saddaam had to be brought to justice for the good of the Iraqi people. That's what the war was about: freedom.

Haha, oh wow, classic.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
So few get it, who the fuck is GW Bush to ask the leader of a Sovereign nation to resign?

Anyone who truly believes that GW believe ANY of the bull that was presented and disproved in the national arena, anyone who actually believes that, well, you are delusional, every each and one of you, every piece of evidence presented from the RC planes with less than a mile range to the stockpiles and their locations, it was known BEFORE the invasion by everyone but the US it seems.

There wasn't any reason to invade, none, not one person who had any say believed that Iraq had any WMD's at the time of the invasion, not any terrorist ties either.

Iraq was the worst enemy AQ had in the ME, before the invasion, now it's like AQ's playground and it's lost, not even 500k would be able to do jack shit there any more, it's a lost cause.

Including everyone in the US Senate? Every intelligence agency who looked (in multiple countries) concluded he had wmds. Saddam even pretended he had them. They were all wrong. The war did not and is not going well, but don't get all revisionist on us.

Presented with the conclusions of the Bush administration, how could they ever come to any conclusion to go against it?

Take my point into context though and it will be clearer, i'm sure. 😉

If not, i'll offer a secondary explanation if you ask for it.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Narmer
Why didn't he just take it from his own bank like one of his sons did? Or did he want to keep the money?

If he wanted to keep the money, then it would've been logical to just give him the money and saved billions in the process for American citizens. But this is politics we're talking about here. Logic rarely comes into play. Opinion matters more and so does labelling people/things/events to simplify things for voters.

This just goes to show that politicians will exert all other options before making the right one.

Yep, we should just hand every dictator a billion bucks and hope he crawls under the bed.

The left-wing logic is bewildering.

Exactly! You can't give the bad guy a billion dollars to stop being bad. Saddaam had to be brought to justice for the good of the Iraqi people. That's what the war was about: freedom.

I'm not quite sure if I have my batteries in my sarcasm meter charged, but there's a strong urge to /barf.

 

[Lemon law]

Nebor sez--------Saddaam had to be brought to justice for the good of the Iraqi people. That's what the war was about: freedom.

The question is debatable. Was it freedom or oil? Do we really think GWB&co will end the debate and confess it was really about the oil? To a certain extent both Tony Blair and
Greenspan have confessed for GWB&co.

But we are at a point in this war here it looks like GWB&co. is managing to kill more Iraqis than Saddam ever did. Its one thing to have a stated motivation, its quite another to fail to be competent and be a worse scourge than the original one. That point is far less debatable.

 

[palehorse]

"It seems he's indicated he would be prepared to go into exile if he's allowed to take $1billion and all the information he wants about weapons of mass destruction."

ummmm... what?!

 

[Lemon law]

Well at least GWB&co is still alive to face potential justice at the Hague.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Narmer
Why didn't he just take it from his own bank like one of his sons did? Or did he want to keep the money?

If he wanted to keep the money, then it would've been logical to just give him the money and saved billions in the process for American citizens. But this is politics we're talking about here. Logic rarely comes into play. Opinion matters more and so does labelling people/things/events to simplify things for voters.

This just goes to show that politicians will exert all other options before making the right one.

Yep, we should just hand every dictator a billion bucks and hope he crawls under the bed.

The left-wing logic is bewildering.

Exactly! You can't give the bad guy a billion dollars to stop being bad. Saddaam had to be brought to justice for the good of the Iraqi people. That's what the war was about: freedom.

HAHAHAHA omg that's hilarious

i honestly lol'ed in the middle of class... everyone turned and looked.