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I have yet to meet one guy that forces a girl to dress a certain way. Usually it's the other way around since females are more fashion inclined and like their SO's to look good
 
Originally posted by: RedArmy
I have yet to meet one guy that forces a girl to dress a certain way. Usually it's the other way around since females are more fashion inclined and like their SO's to look good
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You're taking it too literally. The OP was talking about society in general.
 
Sorry bud. No.
WE dont.
Women do it to themselves and then other people for it.

I know it sounds harsh but theres quite a few feminists in America who agree with me.
Women need to stop worrying about what this so-called "society" thinks of them and start worrying about how they see themselves.

We have a handful of tough, intelligent girls here in Anandtech that might agree with me too.
 
I don't know what kind of girls/people the OP hangs out with, but uh... maybe you are with the wrong crowd of people.
 
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
ATOT is not the place to be posting this. People here consistantly pose as hardasses.

Hell, I have a friend who poses as a hardass. Extremely high standards for women, demeans them in any way possible, talks about how girls with such and such characteristic are total sluts.

His girlfriend lives in California. I put him on a plane to go see her about 20 hours ago. However, before I left his place, I did a little digging - and I found evidence that this girlfriend doesn't meet those portrayed high standards, and that she meets every characteristic he bashes often. She even has a "tramp stamp" - and takes naked pictures and sends them over the internet.

It's actually rather cute, he has a little shrine on his computer, with all the pictures dated and categorized and tagged for content, and copies of every IM conversation and every email both ways. A cursory look over those reveals that he is the exact opposite of what he portrays. But he still chooses to portray being a douchebag around us guys, and argue with me when I openly take the exact positions that he seems to secretly embrace.
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Why did you snoop through your friend's emails, IM's, and pictures of him and his girlfriend?
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Because it was right on his desktop, it was 2AM, I was inebriated, and it felt like the thing to do at the time (I believe my mind slurred the fact that I was on a computer into what I had been doing earlier in the day - doing the 'ol cyberforensics schtick.

Originally posted by: drinkmorejava
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
ATOT is not the place to be posting this. People here consistantly pose as hardasses.

Hell, I have a friend who poses as a hardass. Extremely high standards for women, demeans them in any way possible, talks about how girls with such and such characteristic are total sluts.

His girlfriend lives in California. I put him on a plane to go see her about 20 hours ago. However, before I left his place, I did a little digging - and I found evidence that this girlfriend doesn't meet those portrayed high standards, and that she meets every characteristic he bashes often. She even has a "tramp stamp" - and takes naked pictures and sends them over the internet.

It's actually rather cute, he has a little shrine on his computer, with all the pictures dated and categorized and tagged for content, and copies of every IM conversation and every email both ways. A cursory look over those reveals that he is the exact opposite of what he portrays. But he still chooses to portray being a douchebag around us guys, and argue with me when I openly take the exact positions that he seems to secretly embrace.
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Why did you snoop through your friend's emails, IM's, and pictures of him and his girlfriend?
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he was hoping for pictures of his friend naked.
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I found those, but I wasn't hoping for it.
 
BS. F*cking BS.

Girls put too much pressure on themselves to look good.
That & Hollywood + media.

You blaming men for women putting pressure on themselves to look good is just utter BS.

I never ever put pressure on my ex to "look good", yet she did pressure herself all the time even when i'd tell her she looked hawt in sweats & a T-shirt (which she did 🙂).

I simply find your post incredibly stupid, & it angers me...
 
"We"? No, the magazines that girls themselves buy, THOSE put too much pressure on women to look good (and be shallow...I get disgusted just from reading the cover while waiting in the checkout line. How can anyone read that trash?).

"We" aren't nearly as critical as that.
 
If women didn't buy into it, it wouldn't be an issue.

The simple truth is that if women didn't eagerly accept the standards, then the standards would be revised. Both genders are responsible and blaming it all on men is ignorant. Women pay lip-service to the "it shouldn't matter what women look like" but then go out and spend hundreds on clothing and make-up because they themselves care.

Also, you are pattently insulting to men. Most men don't behave as you describe and you'd have to be an idiot to think otherwise.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: omega366
I know way too many really beautiful girls who think they don't look good... It hurts... because it's our fault, guys I mean. We make girls feel like they have to be perfect. You know what I mean, flat stomach, huge boobs, round booty, long legs, big lips, and on top of all that, they have to dress like a whore, and be one as well... nobody can measure up to that... and its not fair... because nobody should have to. The little imperfections are what make people special. If everyone was perfect the world would be so boring, variety is what makes life interesting. So guys, stop making girls have to live up to your, I'm sorry, our... deluded fantasy visions of perfection. Stop acting like boys and start being men... realize that women don't exist to fufill our sexual desires. Stop talking to them solely to get with them, be nice to them because you want to be their friend, not because you want to hook up with them. Say nice things about them not to flatter them in hopes that you'll get some, but because you know they like to hear them. In short... we need to grow up and stop acting like freakin retarded little boys
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QFT

I hate how my friend refuses to eat now (even though she is HOT) because she's a size 4 and not a size 0.

It sucks.
 
Well said, ZV.

And honestly, all the hot guys I've known date normal women, none of them are all that glamorous or overly concerned with their looks from what I can tell.
 
Well, it's good to know that fat and ugly girls are getting serviced too. Thanks, omega366, for doing your fellow man a service. Next time I hit the clubs you can be my wing and game all the snaggle-toothed, cock-blocking, designated fat friends.
 
it does go both ways. guys are supposed to be a certain way aswell. Women also pressure women into being a certain way, by their moms to be girly and wear makeup and to be good little girls etc. I am also sure there are a lot fo women in charge of the fashion industry, cosmetics, etc, that feed the same crap to other women all in the name of a dollar.
it is our society, not just men. Yes there are lots of gorgeous girls that think they are not beautiful or fat or whatever, but there are also lots of less (if at all) attractive who are happy with who they are, goes lots of ways.
 
You are going to end up with hot chicks beating down your door because you are so sensistive... and then they will cheat on you with a real man 🙁 sucks
 
Originally posted by: n7
BS. F*cking BS.

Girls put too much pressure on themselves to look good.
That & Hollywood + media.

You blaming men for women putting pressure on themselves to look good is just utter BS.

I never ever put pressure on my ex to "look good", yet she did pressure herself all the time even when i'd tell her she looked hawt in sweats & a T-shirt (which she did 🙂).

I simply find your post incredibly stupid, & it angers me...
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Exactly. I'm I always tell the girls i'm dating how good i think they look. Yet when i ask them why they spend an hour in the bathroom making changes that I can barely notice, they say "i'm doing it for myself". Yeah, like they would be doing it if they were spending the night alone. They're doing it because they think someone (other guys? other girls?) will notice and either ridicule them for not looking a certain way or praise them because they are.

Females have fooled themselves into thinking that that the women and gay men who run the fashion world somehow know what heterosexual men want. I have yet to meet a straight man who cares how straight or long a women's eyelashes are. All women have had some man tell her how ridiculous those women's magazines are, yet they continue to buy them and buy into the values and products they're selling. So either the women are too stupid/brainwashed to listen to what real life men are saying, or they're not doing it for men at all.

Now yes, we men do ask girls to be in shape. Not anorexic, just to be without the pot belly. I think that's entirely reasonable, and I will continue to encourage fitness. When I got out of shape for the first time in my life last year, I immediately changed my diet and started working out and i'm now in the best shape of my life. I don't ask girls to do anything I wouldn't do myself.
 
Originally posted by: omega366
I know way too many really beautiful girls who think they don't look good... It hurts... because it's our fault, guys I mean. We make girls feel like they have to be perfect. You know what I mean, flat stomach, huge boobs, round booty, long legs, big lips, and on top of all that, they have to dress like a whore, and be one as well... nobody can measure up to that... and its not fair... because nobody should have to. The little imperfections are what make people special. If everyone was perfect the world would be so boring, variety is what makes life interesting. So guys, stop making girls have to live up to your, I'm sorry, our... deluded fantasy visions of perfection. Stop acting like boys and start being men... realize that women don't exist to fufill our sexual desires. Stop talking to them solely to get with them, be nice to them because you want to be their friend, not because you want to hook up with them. Say nice things about them not to flatter them in hopes that you'll get some, but because you know they like to hear them. In short... we need to grow up and stop acting like freakin retarded little boys
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And if we make a random nice comment.....?
They're either going to think someone is hitting on them, or is creepy, or harassing them.
 
Originally posted by: omega366
I know way too many really beautiful girls who think they don't look good... It hurts... because it's our fault, guys I mean. We make girls feel like they have to be perfect. You know what I mean, flat stomach, huge boobs, round booty, long legs, big lips, and on top of all that, they have to dress like a whore, and be one as well... nobody can measure up to that... and its not fair... because nobody should have to. The little imperfections are what make people special. If everyone was perfect the world would be so boring, variety is what makes life interesting. So guys, stop making girls have to live up to your, I'm sorry, our... deluded fantasy visions of perfection. Stop acting like boys and start being men... realize that women don't exist to fufill our sexual desires. Stop talking to them solely to get with them, be nice to them because you want to be their friend, not because you want to hook up with them. Say nice things about them not to flatter them in hopes that you'll get some, but because you know they like to hear them. In short... we need to grow up and stop acting like freakin retarded little boys
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death 2 teh estrogen
 
Originally posted by: bennylong
Folks, this is what we call " a pussified man" who is no longer considered a man.
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Even though I mirror your sentiment, you're the absolute last person who should be talking.
 
It was a thoughtful thing for the OP to post, however, I DO NOT want to look good for anyone else but myself (women realize they have to love themselves and do what pleases them)
I buy the clothes i enjoy wearing... wear makeup ( a lot or a little) that I want, color my hair if i chose and buy big boobs 😀 because it makes ME happy.

I do know a lot of women (single especially) that dress to impress men but it takes time and understanding that you have to do it for yourself. When you are happy with yourself, it will shine through to the "outside".

Men are visual creatures so i have been told... and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Not all men like long colored hair. Not all men want big boobs. Not all men like high heels, etc.
 
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