S-1959, Thoughts?

[ch33zw1z]

I hope the topic isn't a repost, I did a search and couldn't locate a topic. Anyways, Google results HERE. After a bit of research, looks like this Bill is aiming also for the Internet. If you also google, "Though Crime Act" you will get even more hits ranging from who's passed it to videos on our leaders discussing it.

Link to Bill

So how many civil liberties will we lose if this goes through all the way, anyone care to guess? Obviously, I'm against it...so HERE's a link to an online petition, every little bit helps.

 

[StageLeft]

Of 2007? Is this still relevant or has it already failed? Also, instead of reading 21 pages, what are some key points?

Oh, and I forgot to add I'm reporting you to home land security so that you can get on the terror watch list for being a dissenter!!

 

[ch33zw1z]

It has not failed yet AFAIK..but there's a whole bunch of info on it so I've yet to read everything I could find.

Key points, this is an Amendment to the Patriot Act. If passed, a Commission will be formed that will study Homeland Terrorism and ways to prevent it, then report back recommended actions for immediate and long-term prevention. The Bill specifically states that the Internet is a harbor for terrorism on our own soil, which leaves it up to our vivid imaginations to guess how that could effect our privacy on the Internet. This is how I interpreted S-1959.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
It has not failed yet AFAIK..but there's a whole bunch of info on it so I've yet to read everything I could find.

Key points, this is an Amendment to the Patriot Act. If passed, a Commission will be formed that will study Homeland Terrorism and ways to prevent it, then report back recommended actions for immediate and long-term prevention. The Bill specifically states that the Internet is a harbor for terrorism on our own soil, which leaves it up to our vivid imaginations to guess how that could effect our privacy on the Internet. This is how I interpreted S-1959.

How many 'homegrown terrorists' have you run into? How many people do you know have been 'radicalized' by the interweb?

This bill is an egregious government power grab.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
It has not failed yet AFAIK..but there's a whole bunch of info on it so I've yet to read everything I could find.

Key points, this is an Amendment to the Patriot Act. If passed, a Commission will be formed that will study Homeland Terrorism and ways to prevent it, then report back recommended actions for immediate and long-term prevention. The Bill specifically states that the Internet is a harbor for terrorism on our own soil, which leaves it up to our vivid imaginations to guess how that could effect our privacy on the Internet. This is how I interpreted S-1959.

How many 'homegrown terrorists' have you run into? How many people do you know have been 'radicalized' by the interweb?

This bill is an egregious government power grab.

That would be my reflexive impression, too.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
It has not failed yet AFAIK..but there's a whole bunch of info on it so I've yet to read everything I could find.

Key points, this is an Amendment to the Patriot Act. If passed, a Commission will be formed that will study Homeland Terrorism and ways to prevent it, then report back recommended actions for immediate and long-term prevention. The Bill specifically states that the Internet is a harbor for terrorism on our own soil, which leaves it up to our vivid imaginations to guess how that could effect our privacy on the Internet. This is how I interpreted S-1959.

How many 'homegrown terrorists' have you run into? How many people do you know have been 'radicalized' by the interweb?

This bill is an egregious government power grab.

That would be my reflexive impression, too.

I'll third that as well. I don't usually agree with both of you guys at the same time, but I find a useful phrase in situations like this to be "what problem is this going to solve?". Even if you can answer that question, that doesn't mean we should make something a law, but it sure as hell is a good first step. I can see huge potential for abuse with laws aimed at "homegrown terrorism" (isn't that how most fascist governments start?), and this bill doesn't appear to actually solve any real problems.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Well the FBI considers Constitutionalists "terrorists"

http://www.rense.com/general17/fly.htm

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Well the FBI considers Constitutionalists "terrorists"

http://www.rense.com/general17/fly.htm

Wow!

Is that for real?

"Making references to the consitution" is now a crime and you can get on a terrorist watch group? WTF! I thought the consitution was there to prevent things like this flyer from existing. I guess its now a crime to question such a flyer.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Just thought I'd add this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-xf5IQFhQ0

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Well the FBI considers Constitutionalists "terrorists"

http://www.rense.com/general17/fly.htm

Wow!

Is that for real?

"Making references to the consitution" is now a crime and you can get on a terrorist watch group? WTF! I thought the consitution was there to prevent things like this flyer from existing. I guess its now a crime to question such a flyer.

I wouldn't buy this sort of nonsense without some serious proof first if I were you.

 

[mooseracing]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Well the FBI considers Constitutionalists "terrorists"

http://www.rense.com/general17/fly.htm

Guess I fall under a right ring extremist sisnce I support the constituition fully, and think that the government has slowly erroded and ruined it. Not to mention I would like to see people stand up against the government.


Oh well they can just add another check next to my name.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: mooseracing

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Well the FBI considers Constitutionalists "terrorists"

http://www.rense.com/general17/fly.htm

Guess I fall under a right ring extremist sisnce I support the constituition fully, and think that the government has slowly erroded and ruined it. Not to mention I would like to see people stand up against the government.


Oh well they can just add another check next to my name.

Americans don't like or vote for people like you and call you an extremist because if you got what you wanted then most people would be much more miserable than they are now.

Slice it anyway you want. That is why libertarians are so unpopular.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: mooseracing

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Well the FBI considers Constitutionalists "terrorists"

http://www.rense.com/general17/fly.htm

Guess I fall under a right ring extremist sisnce I support the constituition fully, and think that the government has slowly erroded and ruined it. Not to mention I would like to see people stand up against the government.


Oh well they can just add another check next to my name.

Americans don't like or vote for people like you and call you an extremist because if you got what you wanted then most people would be much more miserable than they are now.

Slice it anyway you want. That is why libertarians are so unpopular.

You guys missed that "defenders" is in quotes... They obviously aren't talking about people who believe in equal rights for gays as gauranteed by the Constitution. Looks fake anyway

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: mooseracing

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Well the FBI considers Constitutionalists "terrorists"

http://www.rense.com/general17/fly.htm

Guess I fall under a right ring extremist sisnce I support the constituition fully, and think that the government has slowly erroded and ruined it. Not to mention I would like to see people stand up against the government.


Oh well they can just add another check next to my name.

Americans don't like or vote for people like you and call you an extremist because if you got what you wanted then most people would be much more miserable than they are now.

Slice it anyway you want. That is why libertarians are so unpopular.

Miserable because they'd actually have to provide for themselves rather than suck off the teet of the American tax payer, be it welfare, corporate welfare (bailouts), etc?

You're right. The mob would rule in this case. The mob isn't necessarily right.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: mooseracing

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Well the FBI considers Constitutionalists "terrorists"

http://www.rense.com/general17/fly.htm

Guess I fall under a right ring extremist sisnce I support the constituition fully, and think that the government has slowly erroded and ruined it. Not to mention I would like to see people stand up against the government.


Oh well they can just add another check next to my name.

Americans don't like or vote for people like you and call you an extremist because if you got what you wanted then most people would be much more miserable than they are now.

Slice it anyway you want. That is why libertarians are so unpopular.

Miserable because they'd actually have to provide for themselves rather than suck off the teet of the American tax payer, be it welfare, corporate welfare (bailouts), etc?

You're right. The mob would rule in this case. The mob isn't necessarily right.

How did you get to work this morning? Chances are my tax dollars paid for the roads you used. How does the government's teat taste? You want to do without that delicious milk? What would your home's value be without police and fire service? Mmm creamy!

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

How did you get to work this morning? Chances are my tax dollars paid for the roads you used. How does the government's teat taste? You want to do without that delicious milk? What would your home's value be without police and fire service? Mmm creamy!

Why can't police and fire be included in homeowner's insurance? There are already private security companies that provide armed response.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Well the FBI considers Constitutionalists "terrorists"

http://www.rense.com/general17/fly.htm

They are a bunch of fundie wack-job white superiorty extremists.

Here is a better copy of the legislation.

The basic purpose appears to be ""established within the legislative branch of the Government the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism.""

And

Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:

(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.

(2) The Commission shall, in cooperation with the Department, the Department of State, and other Federal departments and agencies, as appropriate, conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in their respective nations.

(3) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of--

-(A) the Center of Excellence established or designated under section 899D, and other academic work, as appropriate;

-(B) Federal, State, local, or tribal government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and

-(C) foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.