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Ryzen 7 1700X vs Kaby Lake 7700k

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Quad cores are already limited in the settings they can run in some games (e.g. Ashes of the Singularity). It will automatically turn down settings because the quad can't handle them.

Hex core or better if you're building today, unless you're on an extremely thin budget. In which case you should pick up one of the quad cores I'm unloading haha.
 
This is like getting a car with a top speed of 150 vs 120 when the speed limit is 115. Yes the first car is faster, but you rarely use that speed outside of a couple of use cases that don't apply to the majority of gamers with their 1080p 60 hz screens.

It's mind boggling how the narrative to justify Intel processors has changed. Getting a quad-core Intel chip for gaming in 2017 is a joke for any real PC user. Either get an amd chip, or pay for coffeelake and stop being lame or go for the hedt systems.
Intel i5/i3 shouldn't exist for anyone who actually wants a decent system.
 
jpiniero said:
I don't know how you can call it a joke when Intel's quads are faster in basically every game. Even the 7600K @ 5 Ghz is faster for the most part.
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Quoting a part of the post when I explained that away shows you're purposely trying to misconstrue the situation.

Nice job

And how? I have standards....

Lol if you get a 7600k today. I'll pray for you.
 
tential said:
Quoting a part of the post when I explained that away shows you're purposely trying to misconstrue the situation.
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You can argue that the 1600/X is a better deal due to the lower prices; but that doesn't make the Intel quads a joke by any means. Especially when they are faster. The i5 could use HT for sure though.
 
Why is this even a thread? The OP clearly says he doesn't game, which is really the 7700K's strong point. If you aren't gaming and are doing video/photo editing and multi-tasking, it's not even a question. The 1700X is by far the better cpu and much more future proof than a 4-Core cpu.
 
jpiniero said:
I don't know how you can call it a joke when Intel's quads are faster in basically every game. Even the 7600K @ 5 Ghz is faster for the most part.
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It's faster sure but in single digits now after ryzen keeps getting optimized. Put any kind of load on it while gaming and it chokes. But yeah this thread is pointless when the OP doesn't game.
 
lol! ok, points taken... I have the Ryzen 7 1700X, was just wondering if the 7700k was faster the way I will be using it but I think sticking with multi cores is the way to go as newer software is going to go that direction, thanks for the inputs
 
stockolicious said:
LOL Windows Moviemaker hehehe - I think they used that to make Avatar?lol I think by now most realize Ryzen is the better choice - the fixation on gaming is vapor (unnoticeable while playing) and as time goes on Ryzen has legs with more multi-threaded games. The move to more cores seems to be accelerating.
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How true that is. Reading this reminds me of the good old days when the only thing that let you know it was time to upgrade was a stuttering game that lagged like hell. These days we look at FPS charts and if the bar representing your chip is 20% behind the newest one, then by god its time to replace that piece of junk (even if you're still getting 75fps).
 
moonbogg said:
How true that is. Reading this reminds me of the good old days when the only thing that let you know it was time to upgrade was a stuttering game that lagged like hell. These days we look at FPS charts and if the bar representing your chip is 20% behind the newest one, then by god its time to replace that piece of junk (even if you're still getting 75fps).
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Dude 20%? That crap is literally unplayable.
 
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not a gamer but for shits and giggles I ran the 3dmark firestrike benchmark on my two current machines, my laptop which is a Surface Pro 5 4gb ram, Core i5 6300U - returned 4fps and 827, my desktop is a Gateway SX2840 from 2010, 6gb 1333Mhz ram, core i3 530 - returned 1125 and 6fps (with a Radeon HD6670 card)...
 
ZGR said:
Single threaded performance is still king for what I do. But buying a quad core in 2017 is silly.

Intel's 6c coffee lake looks to be the best of both worlds; albeit expensive.
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if single threaded is king for what you do then the CPU for you is the i3 7350K. 🙂
 
ddogg said:
4 cores is slowly but surely going the way of the dodo. 8 cores is the new 4 cores and buying a quad now after the ryzen release doesn't really make sense.
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Most of the users where I work would be just fine wi
tential said:
This is like getting a car with a top speed of 150 vs 120 when the speed...
Intel i5/i3 shouldn't exist for anyone who actually wants a decent system.
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Decent system? Of the 170 users I'm responsible for, about 150 don't do much beyond MS office, email, and web browsers. They would be just fine with i3's and we give them i5s just in case. Anything more than that is a complete waste of money for their usage. Taking your analogy a bit further, these folks are on a country two lane the A speed limit of 55 MPH.
 
Carfax83 said:
If you're mostly gaming, get the 7700K. If you're mostly doing productivity tasks, get a Ryzen CPU. Or, if you have the money, you can get an Intel HEDT CPU and get top notch gaming and productivity performance without having to sacrifice anything.
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The bold is not really true considering even Intel has a hard time reaching the peak single thread performance of 7700K once adding more cores.
 
moinmoin said:
The bold is not really true considering even Intel has a hard time reaching the peak single thread performance of 7700K once adding more cores.
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The idea is that for all of the 7700k "lead" in games it, it wins in older games and in boxing terms on Points and not a KO. CL if it can keep the clocks close, even it's between SL and KL, it would be a much better buy for gaming. People getting a 7700 for pure gaming are really setting themselves up for failure really it isn't an undisputed win.
 
Topweasel said:
CL if it can keep the clocks close, even it's between SL and KL, it would be a much better buy for gaming.
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I'll assume with CL you refer to Cannon Lake and the next node shrink along with that, as there barely was any improvement between SL and KL, and Coffee Lake may as well be cancelled by now.
 
moinmoin said:
I'll assume with CL you refer to Cannon Lake and the next node shrink along with that, as there barely was any improvement between SL and KL, and Coffee Lake may as well be cancelled by now.
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Yeah Cannon Lake. Even if IPC doesn't improve expect clocks in between SL and KL. I think 6 core turbo at like 4.3 and clockable to 4.7.

The very slight loss in 2015 and older games will be more than made up by everything else.
 
Considering a mix of single, lowly and heavily threaded programs a much faster quad core could still be better than a slower octa core for a while.
15-25% faster at 1,2,3,4 core loads then reverse from there? It won't be future proof maybe, but for today it's ok. If parallelization finds its course then heavy AVX2 usage will help it further.

Honestly it's all a moot point when in a few months hex core becomes mainstream for Intel too, we'll have a preview from skylake-x 6 cores reviews then coffelake will just be that +IGP and better clocks, hopefully.
 
I wouldn't waste my time buying a 7700k which is out dated already. I say sell what you have and slap down $250-$300 of your own hard earned money with what ever you make from selling your current stuff and you could go buy your self a r7 1700 and a really nice B350 motherboard of your choice and be set for the next 4-5 years.You may not think so now, but your gonna need those extra cores in the next coming year or so!!
 
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