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ultra low end? really...?

my processor hasn't shipped out yet but I suspect Newegg got pretty slammed with orders.
 
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Arkaign said:
Indeed. Hardware Unboxed also confirmed this. Between potato memory and 3600 low latency even, there was like 1% to see between it (in real world benches of productivity and gaming).
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Arkaign said:
It's their Zen2 review on YouTube. I should specify, the 'potato' memory is 3000 speed, but to be fair, that's ultra low end for 2019.
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Can you provide a timestamp for the DDR4 3000 figures?

All I saw in the Hardware Unboxed review was 3200 CL14 vs. 3600 CL16, essentially high grade memory vs high grade memory.
 
JasonLD said:
I don't think Zen4 on 5nm is confirmed.
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The next iteration of the Zen core after Zen3 doesn't really have a name due to the number 4 being taboo in Chinese culture. We do know that there will be Zen5 thou.

mohit9206 said:
Ryzen 3600 as per cinebench at stock has twice the IPC of my FX6300 at 4.0, pretty cool. I do need a new CPU but i doubt it will make much difference with a 1050ti still being the bottleneck.
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It would actually allow your 1050Ti to stretch its leg more, you would probably see on average about a 100% improvement in games depending on the title.

coercitiv said:
Reported for reading my mind!
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I'm not that's how the report feature works my friend.
 
What does the higher TDP 3800X have over the 3700X, besides the obvious; I mean I don't understand the slight clock boost, higher tdp while having the same cores and threads. Is the 3800X a two chiplet cpu? Is it for the higher base clock?
 
BTRY B 529th FA BN said:
What does the higher TDP 3800X have over the 3700X, besides the obvious; I mean I don't understand the slight clock boost, higher tdp while having the same cores and threads. Is the 3800X a two chiplet cpu? Is it for the higher base clock?
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That's an interesting question. It is a little strange that AMD left the chip out of all of the reviews. Same goes for the 3600 as well, which at $200 and from some scattered results seems to be a real price/performance winner.

Edit: from the info on AT's review, the 3800X is a one chiplet cpu so nothing out of place or odd there.
 
I'm really impressed by the performance of these parts. That said, is anyone else on the fence or resolved to wait and see what the 4000 series brings? I'm likely skipping this generation.
 
BTRY B 529th FA BN said:
What does the higher TDP 3800X have over the 3700X, besides the obvious; I mean I don't understand the slight clock boost, higher tdp while having the same cores and threads. Is the 3800X a two chiplet cpu? Is it for the higher base clock?
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It's just a better binned version plus higher TDP so if you don't mess with bios settings it will be a fair bit faster when using a bunch of cores.
 
I'm on the fence. I was planning on the X570 Gigabyte Extreme for the power delivery system and now that most reviews are looking for the most part the same the 3700X or 3800X might be the chip. I'd like to thank my AC condensation pan leak for screwing things up with the decision.
 
maddogmcgee said:
It's just a better binned version plus higher TDP so if you don't mess with bios settings it will be a fair bit faster when using a bunch of cores.
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It's looking like 4.4GHz is about the max on all core overclocking with this generation. I typically game with all cores at the max, and this will be a gaming rig and nothing else, for now. Is anyone seeing higher all core overclocks than 4.4GHz?
 
BTRY B 529th FA BN said:
It's looking like 4.4GHz is about the max on all core overclocking with this generation. I typically game with all cores at the max, and this will be a gaming rig and nothing else, for now. Is anyone seeing higher all core overclocks than 4.4GHz?
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Per der8auer (German overclocker) that is a "good" all-core OC you can expect for 3700X and 3900X. He had one sample of 3900X hit 4.5 but that was an anomaly.
 
I'll throw this out there.

After being a bit giddy yesterday and getting all excited about Zen 2, I feel I have come back to Earth a bit, mainly because it has occurred to me how often the 2700x is within 15% of the 3700x.

I'm hoping that there are still some issues to be resolved that will see Zen 2 push further ahead and at the very least, they have for me now, eliminated Intel as a buying option on the desktop.

I'll be spec'ing a computer for a friend in a few months and with the discounts that I am now seeing on the Ryzen 2600 series, I am sorely tempted to get him that, with him having the option to do a CPU upgrade only, in a year or two.
 
CHADBOGA said:
I'll be spec'ing a computer for a friend in a few months and with the discounts that I am now seeing on the Ryzen 2600 series, I am sorely tempted to get him that, with him having the option to do a CPU upgrade only, in a year or two.
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Yeah, I snagged a whole bunch of R5 1600 CPUs, and open-box/refurb ATX mobos, for "budget" (LOL) builds. (*)

(*) If you can consider an originally $230 6C/12T CPU to now be a "budget" CPU. 🙂
 
BTRY B 529th FA BN said:
What does the higher TDP 3800X have over the 3700X, besides the obvious; I mean I don't understand the slight clock boost, higher tdp while having the same cores and threads. Is the 3800X a two chiplet cpu? Is it for the higher base clock?
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Higher Power and current limits for PB2 and XFR2 to operate at within your warranty. This translates to higher and more sustained boost clocks.
If you're planning on using PBO, the above is completely irrelevant. Instead, the tinkerer gets a lower cost identical CPU, and the non-tinkerer gets better out of the box performance at a price premium.
It is a cost-benefit choice for the end user.
 
etrin said:
where is the 3800X is that a future release?
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Reviewers were only sent 3900X and 3700X, hence the lack of information.
All 5 Zen 2 CPUs are available to purchase, assuming you can find anywhere that has any in stock. OCUK have been experiencing issues with their couriers, as have others.
 
VirtualLarry said:
Yeah, I snagged a whole bunch of R5 1600 CPUs, and open-box/refurb ATX mobos, for "budget" (LOL) builds. (*)

(*) If you can consider an originally $230 6C/12T CPU to now be a "budget" CPU. 🙂
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Interestingly, the R5 1600 actually went up in price by $4-5 over the last few days, I thought Zen2 fever would send prices further downward.
 
BUTCH1 said:
Interestingly, the R5 1600 actually went up in price by $4-5 over the last few days, I thought Zen2 fever would send prices further downward.
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They're still pretty viable CPUs, though they still have the 1st-Gen Ryzen CPU deficit in gaming vis-a-via Intel. They do OC fairly easily, even on the stock 95W cooler (65W TDP CPU, AMD is generous with the cooler), to 3.7-3.8Ghz on air. Even with the "1080P gaming deficit", they are still solid CPUs, and if all you're looking for is 60-75FPS, they're perfectly adequate, and still great for productivity. (Though, they're no ThreadRipper-equivalent, not for a little over $100. But compared to a 4C/4T Intel 6600K / 7600K? They blow it away in everything but gaming.)
 
IntelUser2000 said:
This has little to do with process, but that the CPUs are way past the optimal frequency.

The side-effect(or advantage) of Intel being on 14nm and Skylake for so long is that Intel engineers were allowed to characterize the product for far longer than they have, or anyone else has been able to do in the past.

Before, at least the uarch or the process had to change every year. A year is a very short time in the development process. After taking out a few months to allow for inventory to build up, and coordinate with OEMs, you might have 6-7 months to launch the product. And all this time is spent on validation and finalizing the chip.

For 3 years, they kept squeezing out everything from the silicon every year. They said since 4790K that it can overclock to 5GHz, and it took 3 more chips to actually reach that(4790K, 6700K, 7700K, Coffeelake). Each time raising the ceiling by 100-200MHz.

5GHz is the frequency where you start making real sacrifices to get there because its a barrier. There was a speculation by Hiroshige Goto at PCWatch that Skylake may have been redesigned for higher frequencies. The intercore latency, the L2 and L3 latencies and bandwidth could all have been better if they aimed for lower frequencies, or had a replacement for Skylake arrived in 2016.
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Late to the party here. For all intents and purposes, Intel have reached 5.0 GHz with 32nm. Ever since then they have been trying to recreate that moment.

AT has an update to the Matisse review:

Article Testing Methodology Update (July 8th):

We ran our original review numbers with the latest available firmware for the MSI MEG X570 ACE motherboard last week (Version 7C35v11). On Saturday the 6th MSI had shared with us a notice about a new version coming out, which became available to download to us on Sunday the 7th, the launch day and date of publication of the review.


We’ve had more time to investigate the new firmware, and have discovered extremely large changes in the behaviour of the frequency boosting algorithm. The new firmware (Version 7C35v12) for the motherboard contains AMD’s new ComboPI1.0.0.3.a (AGESA) firmware.


We discovered the following direct measureable effects between the two firmware versions:


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(Note: This is a custom test that uses a fine-grained looping timed fixed instruction chain to derive frequency; it showcases single-core frequency)


We notice a significant change in the CPU’s boosting behaviour, now boosting to higher frequencies, and particularly at a faster rate from idle, more correctly matching AMD’s described intended boost behaviour and latency.


We’re currently in the process of re-running all our suite numbers and updating the article where necessary to reflect the new frequency behaviour.
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