HD2600 will come in two flavors for agp, one 512MB and one 256MB and they should retail for about 199.99 and 179.99 respectively. I dont have much more info than that, but it is better than nothing i guess.
RV630 will be available in AGP
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Other than the pricing we've known this for months. There will also be RV610 HD2400's.
Given the general delays, I hope AGP availability will come closer on the heels of PCIe than previous (i.e. "caught up" somewhat).
Given the general delays, I hope AGP availability will come closer on the heels of PCIe than previous (i.e. "caught up" somewhat).
This is not good for PC's. I hate to say it, but it is true AGP support really needs to die.
yeah I know that means people would have to upgrade and they don't want to but...most of those same people are holding onto weaker CPU's and these GPU's need fast cpu's, not to mention the games as well.
It's time to make the transition folks, wasting your money on a dead end box with AGP will not be worth it, set it aside for a proper system upgrade.
yeah I know that means people would have to upgrade and they don't want to but...most of those same people are holding onto weaker CPU's and these GPU's need fast cpu's, not to mention the games as well.
It's time to make the transition folks, wasting your money on a dead end box with AGP will not be worth it, set it aside for a proper system upgrade.
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Try convincing other people who don't have the money to upgrade to a 500 dollar mobo, ram, and video card when they can get a AGP variant for cheep and get decent performance.
And 2 years after it's release Ive seen no real benifit of PCI Express. And who pushed for PCI Express? Intel of course...because they don't change CPU sockets like AMD. *rolls eyes*
I was just one of those people. I had to make the decision, throw more money in the trash by spending more for a slower video card (AGP cards are quite a bit more expensive than express variants) OR take that money and put into a machine that literally blows the doors off what i had previously.
The AGP parts are expensive, and slower than lower prices express (x1950 pro recently came out and is alot of money). It's throwing money away, and the machine will feel even more slow as the months drag on and the video card can't even be fed enough. It's a bad purchase. If your short on money you definitely shouldn't waste it on an AGP part by tossing into a dead end. When your short on money is when you have to start making smart buying decisions, sometimes that means don't buy till you save up more. If you have an upgrade path on an AMD box, then maybe it's a different story.
Some volk value their time more than moolah.
GPU is the least compelling reason for a system overhaul vs CPU.
PCIe 1.x is dead.
GPU is the least compelling reason for a system overhaul vs CPU.
PCIe 1.x is dead.
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Bull, with current pricing, a PCIe based system is cheap, very cheap. And will deliver more performance than any AGP system.
And how can you say you haven't seen any benefit to PCIe? Since all the high end cards are on PCIe, I'd say thats a pretty big benefit.
By holding on to AGP, you are doing two things. 1) Delaying the inevitable and 2) Limiting your upgrade options to a single, lower-mid-end card that ships months after its PCIe counterpart. And typically performs slower than said counterpart.
Oh, it was Intel, Nvidia, ATI, and AMD that pushed for PCIe, as all as a plethora of smaller companies.
AGP isn't quite dead yet, largely because games simply don't require much from the CPU; they have been and still are largely GPU dependant. This is definately changing with next-gen games like UT3, Crysis, and Alan Wake... when they come out, AGP *WILL* be dead. Those games will require gamers to upgrade their CPU for the first time in a while (really, right now you could be running a P4 from 2003 and still doing fairly well in most games) and with a CPU upgrade comes a new motherboard, with PCI-Express. When PCI-E first came out there was no need for it, and the fact that cards like the 7800GTX weren't released for AGP as well was very stupid... but the fact is AGP is now on its last legs and by the end of this year it will be dead to all but an incredibly small niche.
I agree it's not dead. But it is a bad purchasing decision in all but the most extreme cases (small resolution, real casual gameplay).
And why the fvck does it bother you what folks are running in their systems?
If people want to buy AGP cards then more power to them.
There's a market for AGP and bitching isn't going to make them go away.
First off, it doesn't bother me all that much. If their was a reason it bothered me, it would that supporting legacy always holds back progress. Not that it is a huge issue currently. This isn't just some desire for DOS or Windows 98, this is game centric hardware, the most demanding commercial hardware and software, so you really can't hold on to older hardware and expect the4 most demanding of software to run on them well. As I said that doesn't bother me, that is not why I commented.
Secondly, if they want to buy AGP , it's NOT more power to them, that is the actual reason I posted. Their are people that think it is a wise purchasing decision, where in most cases it's not. Sometimes people need help to think it through rather than have someone say if you got a slot and it fits, go ahead and fill it.
Without a doubt purchasing anything but a low-end AGP card is a bad idea right now. When AGP is finally abandoned (which will not be long) the resale value of AGP cards will go down the toilet. Purchasing an AGP card right now is really putting a lot of money into a dying platform.
Not to be an @ss, but I've been hearing this for a few years now...AGP is still around and clunking along nicely.
That's just crazy talk
When AGP cards are no longer produced, the last ones will maintain their value far better. AGP will prolly outlast PCIe 1.x since there will be no reason to continue making the transitional spec cards or boards much longer, thanks to backwards compatability of 2.0 cards. 1.x boards will prolly need replacing to get the most out of high-end cards though but that will likely be desirable anyway to utilize better CPU, RAM, NAND, &c. by the end of the year. Of couse if maintaining high-end is not your thing then there is not much of an argument for anything beyond the class of cards available for AGP.
And once again we have people claiming that the mere existence of new AGP cards is somehow damaging the video industry as a whole. Well, I'll be watching for when the new PCI-E 2.0 motherboards hit the streets and EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU WHO IS COMPLAINING ABOUT NEW AGP CARDS HAD BETTER BE IN LINE TO BUY ONE! AND A NEW PCI-E 2.0 VIDEO CARD TO BOOT! Because if you stick with your "old" PCI-E 1.0 motherboard and video card you're going to be holding back PCI-E 2.0 progress.
/end rant
/end rant
Its not so much my AGP slot i'm worried about..its that Socket A Barton setting next to it :shocked:
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