Russia's influence on the election might be bigger than you thought

[Jhhnn]

You're probably right. Putin wins either way. America.. not so much.

Why fight your adversaries when you can get them to fight among themselves?

If Hillary wins, they've weakened her support. If Trump wins they've helped put incompetence in charge of the US govt.

The toasting among Russian psyops guys when Trump won had to be epic & the hangovers brutal.

 

[alien42]

So, apparently the Secretary of State is skipping a NATO meeting and going to Russia instead.

i believe he is going to Russia a week later, otherwise, yes.

 

[Victorian Gray]

My theory is that Putin will cut him loose and let him flounder. He likes the idea of an America in crisis/upheaval, to whatever end he can orchestrate in whatever way. He plans for Trump to affect him in the least way possible. Again, just my theory.

Based on his history it makers sense. Putin doesn't give a damn about Trump. He's simply stirring up trouble as almost no matter what happens Russia wins something. Right now US society at large is kinda tearing itself apart as it's international reputation and relations rapidly deteriorate and it's internal systems of a free press, democratic political system, the courts, the American intelligence system and more are all under attack. He sows distrust and mayhem pretty much wherever he decides to involve himself/Russia.

He's done this shit before although I'd have to say in the US situation he has so much help given the state of American politics and general civil society over the past 20 or 30 years. btw, I'm not referring to any kind of collusion, simply that the US is/was fertile ground for the kind of manipulation and interference that Putin/Russia has been using rather successfully for almost 20 years now.

 

[sandorski]

i believe he is going to Russia a week later, otherwise, yes.

Not quite as bad then, but suspicious.

 

[Younigue]

You're probably right. Putin wins either way. America.. not so much.

Yes, I think that's the desired outcome.

 

[Jhhnn]

Based on his history it makers sense. Putin doesn't give a damn about Trump. He's simply stirring up trouble as almost no matter what happens Russia wins something. Right now US society at large is kinda tearing itself apart as it's international reputation and relations rapidly deteriorate and it's internal systems of a free press, democratic political system, the courts, the American intelligence system and more are all under attack. He sows distrust and mayhem pretty much wherever he decides to involve himself/Russia.

He's done this shit before although I'd have to say in the US situation he has so much help given the state of American politics and general civil society over the past 20 or 30 years. btw, I'm not referring to any kind of collusion, simply that the US is/was fertile ground for the kind of manipulation and interference that Putin/Russia has been using rather successfully for almost 20 years now.

What's tearing this country apart is decades of right wing agitprop so Putin just feeds right into it. And why not? If we end up like Russia with the oligarchs in control we'll be a lot weaker while their plutocrats & our own find common ground. It's the globalized version of Libertopia.

 

[Younigue]

Based on his history it makers sense. Putin doesn't give a damn about Trump. He's simply stirring up trouble as almost no matter what happens Russia wins something. Right now US society at large is kinda tearing itself apart as it's international reputation and relations rapidly deteriorate and it's internal systems of a free press, democratic political system, the courts, the American intelligence system and more are all under attack. He sows distrust and mayhem pretty much wherever he decides to involve himself/Russia.

He's done this shit before although I'd have to say in the US situation he has so much help given the state of American politics and general civil society over the past 20 or 30 years. btw, I'm not referring to any kind of collusion, simply that the US is/was fertile ground for the kind of manipulation and interference that Putin/Russia has been using rather successfully for almost 20 years now.

I agree. Collusion would just be a perk for him... maybe quicken the process.

 

[flexy]

The bots’ end products were largely millions of Twitter and Facebook posts carrying links to stories on conservative internet sites such as Breitbart News and InfoWars, as well as on the Kremlin-backed RT News and Sputnik News, the sources said. Some of the stories were false or mixed fact and fiction, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the bot attacks are part of an FBI-led investigation into a multifaceted Russian operation to influence last year’s elections.

Old news. At least for me. It's a known fact there was massive spreading of fake news on social media, well-organized and orchestrated from Russia. I mentioned this a few times already. This "election", one could say was indeed won on social media, although the social media spamming of course was only one aspect of the Russian intervention. Because, well, the DNC servers didn't hack themselves either...