Russian jet buzzed US Destroyer for the eleventy billion times...

[Humpy]

No, if I were President I'd call Putin and tell him if these provocations continue, whether that be a Russian bear or a SU some thing or other, then I will instruct the military to give one warning and one warning only that if you proceed you WILL be shot down.

Make no mistake about it. This was not within any naval standard what the Ruskies did here. This is getting out of hand and I'd take up a Reagan carry a big fucking stick stance.

End of story over and out.

LOL Such a badass. 😀

 

[dr150]

No, if I were President I'd call Putin and tell him if these provocations continue, whether that be a Russian bear or a SU some thing or other, then I will instruct the military to give one warning and one warning only that if you proceed you WILL be shot down.

Make no mistake about it. This was not within any naval standard what the Ruskies did here. This is getting out of hand and I'd take up a Reagan carry a big fucking stick stance.

End of story over and out.

You don't play with a psychopath like Putin. Putin's an asshole. He knows how far to push it without getting punched in the face.

The buzzing's all about the Panama Papers. He's butthurt (plus the sanctions and oil prices) and letting the US know it.

 

[Elixer]

We play a similar game with Russia and Chinese ships though probably not this close.

If we were to shoot down the Russian planes with the Phalanx system saying, hey we were just testing them and you guys came along at the wrong time the Russian could return the favor by launching long range anti-ship cruise missiles saying, hey, we were just testing them...

That game isn't in our favor when it's played in there backyard...


Brian

Seriously? You said it yourself, "probably not this close". Within 30 feet.
There is a HUGE difference between 30 feet and a ship/plane being miles away from the object in question.

And no, they can't do long range "tests" with missiles like that. That IS declaring war.

 

[flexy]

Let's say one of these days, they're not going just to buzz by, but actually attack.http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/politics/russian-fighter-jet-us-destroyer/index.html

Oh, are we at war now? Must have missed it.

 

[SSSnail]

Oh, are we at war now? Must have missed it.

We're not, but if they decide to go full retard and implement a first strike approach. Guess we won't know until it happens, huh?

 

[pauldun170]

A shoot down of a Russian aircraft works heavily in Putin's favor.
He's going through a rough patch domestically and the paranoia that could be generated from the US shooting down a Russian aircraft so close to home would work wonders on him increasing power and locking down Russia. All in the name of "Security against the evil american imperialists"

Probably follow with a shoot down of the first RC-135 that gets close to Russian territory or assets. Some tit for tat BS.

 

[preslove]

The Russians could easily take out a American destroyer in a surprise attack. After that, though, we would take out anything they threw at us (other than ICBMs, that is).

A shoot down of a Russian aircraft works heavily in Putin's favor.
He's going through a rough patch domestically and the paranoia that could be generated from the US shooting down a Russian aircraft so close to home would work wonders on him increasing power and locking down Russia. All in the name of "Security against the evil american imperialists"

Probably follow with a shoot down of the first RC-135 that gets close to Russian territory or assets. Some tit for tat BS.

Yeah, getting a plane shot down would def help putin, domestically.

 

[dr150]

A shoot down of a Russian aircraft works heavily in Putin's favor.

Ya, the US knows Putin would make a HUGE stink if the US were to strike it down, which is prolly what Putin wants due to the humiliating public problems (Panama Papers) he's dealing with.

I'm absolutely confident the Captains of every vessel operating in these waters are experienced stone cold masters at every variation of these war games. They know their actions could have huge repercussions.

All the US can do is make a public stink of it to the world media and Putin doing the same with his state run media outlets.

At the end of the day......Much ado about nuthin'.

 

[zinfamous]

No, if I were President I'd call Putin and tell him if these provocations continue, whether that be a Russian bear or a SU some thing or other, then I will instruct the military to give one warning and one warning only that if you proceed you WILL be shot down.

Make no mistake about it. This was not within any naval standard what the Ruskies did here. This is getting out of hand and I'd take up a Reagan carry a big fucking stick stance.

End of story over and out.

lol, he thinks Reagan had a "big stick" The dude was a barely-conscious tomato his last 5 years in office while the country was being run by Nancy's astrologer.

Also, Gorbachev is not Putin. A world with Jon Conner in charge would be a world made of glass.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Let's say one of these days, they're not going just to buzz by, but actually attack.

But why would they? To start World War III?

On the other hand, if the US were to shoot one of these jets out of the sky in defense, that would be reasonable and not an act of war.

 

[Elixer]

BTW, there are other options besides shooting the plane down.
You can fire tracer rounds in front of the plane, you can call for your support ships to scramble their fighters, fire flares in front of plane & helicopter, lots of other viable options as well.
If you go by the videos, they did nothing.

 

[dr150]

But why would they? To start World War III?

On the other hand, if the US were to shoot one of these jets out of the sky in defense, that would be reasonable and not an act of war.

Reasonable?

I don't think Putin's the "reasonable" sort.

This "Dictator" would want your first born in order to not escalate.

 

[Blackjack200]

BTW, there are other options besides shooting the plane down.
You can fire tracer rounds in front of the plane, you can call for your support ships to scramble their fighters, fire flares in front of plane & helicopter, lots of other viable options as well.
If you go by the videos, they did nothing.

The AAA mounts on those ships (Phalanx CIWS) are totally automated with radar fire control. The article didn't make it clear, but it didn't sound like there was a carrier in the area.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Reasonable?

I don't think Putin's the "reasonable" sort.

This "Dictator" would want your first born in order to not escalate.

Yes, he is. Putin doesn't want a war any more than anyone else. He just likes to swing his big balls around. He'd squawk and whine and hold his breath and his face would turn blue, but it would just be more posturing.

 

[Elixer]

The AAA mounts on those ships (Phalanx CIWS) are totally automated with radar fire control. The article didn't make it clear, but it didn't sound like there was a carrier in the area.

They have the main deck guns as well as .50 machine guns, they also have hand held weapons / flare guns available if they want to go that route.

Some of those runs, the plane was below their deck, which means they could have fired deck guns to make a nice big splash.

 

[Blackjack200]

They have the main deck guns as well as .50 machine guns, they also have hand held weapons / flare guns available if they want to go that route.

Some of those runs, the plane was below their deck, which means they could have fired deck guns to make a nice big splash.

The only deck gun an Arleigh Burke has is a 5 inch autoloader with fuzed shells. I don't believe they have 50 cals on those boats. Personal arms would be useless - 5.56 or 9mm is not going to do anything.

Flare guns? Lol, you watch too many Steven Seagal movies.

 

[Elixer]

The only deck gun an Arleigh Burke has is a 5 inch autoloader with fuzed shells. I don't believe they have 50 cals on those boats. Personal arms would be useless - 5.56 or 9mm is not going to do anything.

Flare guns? Lol, you watch too many Steven Seagal movies.

I never said personal arms would be effective, I just said they have that as an option, and yes, they do got 'old fashioned' flare guns as well.

141101-N-IY142-202 MEDITERRANEAN SEA (Nov. 1, 2014) – Gunner’s Mate Seaman James Lumbley tests the charging handle of a 50-caliber machine gun as part of a periodic scheduled maintenance check aboard the Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Cole (DDG 67). Cole, homeported in Norfolk, Va., is conducting naval operations in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communications Specialist 2nd Class John Herman/Released)

 

[Darwin333]

What if... now hear me out, what if he doesn't lock on the ship, but just does a routine buzz, then bbrrrarrrararrrarrrarrrrttttttarrtttttttt with his internal 30mm cannon? Or, as someone put it, kamikazi into the ship?

Well between the limited ammo in most modern jets cannons and the armor on modern US Naval vessels I assume they would do rather little damage and then be blown out of the sky.

Kamikaze is not a tactic that I've heard the Russians employ before with their modern fighter jets but I guess its theoretically possible, just absurdly unlikely. Especially to start a war by losing one of your jets to maybe sink, but probably only damage, a single destroyer.

 

[Charmonium]

The Russians could easily take out a American destroyer in a surprise attack. After that, though, we would take out anything they threw at us (other than ICBMs, that is).



Yeah, getting a plane shot down would def help putin, domestically.

It's hard to 'surprise' an Arleigh Burke destroyer. The only thing I can think of that might actually be able to catch one unaware is a supersonic torpedo, but as far as I know, those don't exist yet.

 

[Ruptga]

It's hard to 'surprise' an Arleigh Burke destroyer. The only thing I can think of that might actually be able to catch one unaware is a supersonic torpedo, but as far as I know, those don't exist yet.

That would be really impressive, since the speed of sound in seawater is 1.5 km/s, almost an even 1 mile per second. Anything with that much energy to throw around would probably be better off flying through the air to obliterate its target on contact, no explosive charge would be needed.

 

[NetWareHead]

It's hard to 'surprise' an Arleigh Burke destroyer. The only thing I can think of that might actually be able to catch one unaware is a supersonic torpedo, but as far as I know, those don't exist yet.

Not a supersonic torpedo but probably the fastest production torpedo around. The Shkval: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval Basically a solid fuel rocket powered torpedo. I cant imagine it would surprise anythign as a rocket power torpedo would make a tremendous amount of noise any sonar could pick up. Still, with a 200+ knot speed, what can escape?

 

[Squisher]

I wonder what the range is of the ship's on board fire fighting spray nozzles are? Maybe boost up the pressure and mix in a little blue dye. I'd rather be dead than red.

 

[Charmonium]

I wonder what the range is of the ship's on board fire fighting spray nozzles are? Maybe boost up the pressure and mix in a little blue dye. I'd rather be dead than red.

That's a great idea. Now we just need someone to manufacture 50 caliber paint balls.

edit - never mind. Apparently they go up to 68 caliber.

https://www.google.com/search?q=50+caliber+paintball

 

[sdifox]

Watching this on the news now. If I were President I'd order all these close encounters shot down.

What are you going to do about it? Launch nukes? Then we will launch nukes FUCK YOU! This is a provocative act. I wouldn't put up with it. I like how this is happening more since Olosser is in office.

Now let the usual assholes post their dismay.

I am so glad you are just an internet tough guy with zero power.

 

[Darwin333]

That would be really impressive, since the speed of sound in seawater is 1.5 km/s, almost an even 1 mile per second. Anything with that much energy to throw around would probably be better off flying through the air to obliterate its target on contact, no explosive charge would be needed.

I thought I read a while back about really fast torpedoes creating some sort of air bubble around them allowing them to go way faster. Would that change the "speed of sound" in water since the torpedo is encompassed in air? Regardless if it's faster than sound, if it's fast enough so that it's almost at your hull before you hear it then it's way to late to do anything about it.

Disclaimer: I don't know shit about torpedoes or Naval tactics and am not trying to claim that I do, so the above might be completely wrong.