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Russian Independance day present

Originally posted by: Scouzer
Its lower quality than middle east oil, costing the same amount as it is now. Thats a downside.

I would pay extra at the pump to know I was not getting middle east oil.

 
same thing, different butt

What do you mean? The Russians have no reason to despise us... we don't have many problems with them as opposed to the Saudis. We aren't really kissing their butt... we are strengthening our relations with them, and we are helping their economy.
 
its a trade off. quality vs. ass kissing. its one or the other. part of me wishes a barrel would hit $40, just so people can truly realize how good we have it instead of bitching about how gas is over $1.50.

thank god i get over 30 MPG in the city......
 
Originally posted by: MacBaine
same thing, different butt

What do you mean? The Russians have no reason to despise us... we don't have many problems with them as opposed to the Saudis. We aren't really kissing their butt... we are strengthening our relations with them, and we are helping their economy.
they have something you want most of all, but I do agree, it will be alot less trouble

 
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: MacBaine
same thing, different butt

What do you mean? The Russians have no reason to despise us... we don't have many problems with them as opposed to the Saudis. We aren't really kissing their butt... we are strengthening our relations with them, and we are helping their economy.
they have something you want most of all, but I do agree, it will be alot less trouble


And we have something they want most of all.
 
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: SViscusi
Good maybe now we can stop kissing the Saudi's butt.
same thing, different butt

Hey all I know is there were no russians trying to crash planes into buildings last september, but there were Saudi's.

 
Even as enemies during the Cold War I still held a lot of reverance and respect for the Russians.
I think both countries as a whole respect each other... although both sides are still learning to trust each other... and, most likely, will NEVER trust each other completely.

I hold no respect for our present enemy... middle eastern extremists.... and would gladly wipe thier kind from existance given half the chance.

While both were/are our enemy there is a HUGE difference between the two.

Anyway, this is new era and I think the US and Russia can work together with cautious optimism.


damn tetrahydrocannibinols!
 
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
its a trade off. quality vs. ass kissing. its one or the other. part of me wishes a barrel would hit $40, just so people can truly realize how good we have it instead of bitching about how gas is over $1.50.
thank god i get over 30 MPG in the city......
I'd rather see every oil producer in the world flood the market, drive the price down to $8 a barrel and bankrupt the Saudis.
 
Originally posted by: Scipionix
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
its a trade off. quality vs. ass kissing. its one or the other. part of me wishes a barrel would hit $40, just so people can truly realize how good we have it instead of bitching about how gas is over $1.50.
thank god i get over 30 MPG in the city......
I'd rather see every oil producer in the world flood the market, drive the price down to $8 a barrel and bankrupt the Saudis.
The Saudis probably have deeper pockets than most other oil producers.

Do you seriously think Russia can afford such a price cut? They can hardly afford their own vodka.
 
Originally posted by: Yzzim
Originally posted by: Scipionix
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
its a trade off. quality vs. ass kissing. its one or the other. part of me wishes a barrel would hit $40, just so people can truly realize how good we have it instead of bitching about how gas is over $1.50.
thank god i get over 30 MPG in the city......
I'd rather see every oil producer in the world flood the market, drive the price down to $8 a barrel and bankrupt the Saudis.
The Saudis probably have deeper pockets than most other oil producers.

Do you seriously think Russia can afford such a price cut? They can hardly afford their own vodka.
Russia is always the low cost producer. The Saudis' financial position weakens every year. They have to break eventually.
 
Originally posted by: Scipionix
Originally posted by: Yzzim
Originally posted by: Scipionix
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
its a trade off. quality vs. ass kissing. its one or the other. part of me wishes a barrel would hit $40, just so people can truly realize how good we have it instead of bitching about how gas is over $1.50.
thank god i get over 30 MPG in the city......
I'd rather see every oil producer in the world flood the market, drive the price down to $8 a barrel and bankrupt the Saudis.
The Saudis probably have deeper pockets than most other oil producers.

Do you seriously think Russia can afford such a price cut? They can hardly afford their own vodka.
Russia is always the low cost producer. The Saudis' financial position weakens every year. They have to break eventually.
Wow, didn't know that. Always thought the Saudis' were rollin in (our) dough. Got a link or anything to back that up with?
 
Originally posted by: Yzzim Wow, didn't know that. Always thought the Saudis' were rollin in (our) dough. Got a link or anything to back that up with?
There was an Economist special section earlier this year on the Arabs. Saudi GNP per capita has fallen by 50% in the past 20 years. Their population has more than doubled. Oil prices have either stagnated or fallen through most of that period. There are more competitors now like Norway, Mexico, Venezuela, Nigeria, and Russia, so OPEC is not quite the cartel it was in the '70s. The Saudis have no real economy and their oil revenues have at best stayed roughly constant in real terms. Combined with 3-4% population growth rates, that means that they are becoming poorer by the year. Of course the share that the Saudis take for themselves might not shrink so rapidly, but they can only steal so much from the citizens of their "kingdom" since they are not particularly well-liked by their own people, let alone the rest of the Arabs. Their long term chances are very poor, and I can't say that I am anything but thrilled by the idea.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Saudi debt $203B with an expected addition of $12B this year.

Saudi gdp $232B

Not promising numbers for the Saudis.


DEBT

GDP

Very interesting numbers there.

I always thought the Saudi's were very rich and contributed a huge amount of oil to the market. Seems like the media has hyped it up a little too much.
 
Excellent. The more we can lessen our dependence on the Middle East, the better. It's really a win-win situation. The Russians have extensive reserves of all kinds of resources, not just oil. What they need is money for those resources. The state-owned oil/gas company is nearly single-handedly keeping their economy afloat. We have the capital and the need for their products, as well as the technology to get them. It also helps that the average Russian actually likes Americans, and don't want to see us obliterated from the face of the planet.
 
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
It also helps that the average Russian actually likes Americans, and don't want to see us obliterated from the face of the planet.


How do you know that? What's the basis for your opinion?
 
Originally posted by: Booster
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
It also helps that the average Russian actually likes Americans, and don't want to see us obliterated from the face of the planet.


How do you know that? What's the basis for your opinion?

My geography professor has several friends (colleagues) in Russia and has visited there several times. Before he started teaching at my college, he worked for the US gov't. and make several trips when it was still the Soviet Union.
 
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
My geography professor has several friends (colleagues) in Russia and has visited there several times. Before he started teaching at my college, he worked for the US gov't. and make several trips when it was still the Soviet Union.
I don't know if there was ever a particularly strong animosity between the Russian people and the American people. I get the feeling that everyone there really wanted to go the United States. Seems to me that all Russians want these days is to leave peacefully, have a chance to make money and to do something about endemic corruption in their society. Conquest is not high on their list.
 
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Originally posted by: Booster
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
It also helps that the average Russian actually likes Americans, and don't want to see us obliterated from the face of the planet.


How do you know that? What's the basis for your opinion?

My geography professor has several friends (colleagues) in Russia and has visited there several times. Before he started teaching at my college, he worked for the US gov't. and make several trips when it was still the Soviet Union.

Sorry, but I don't see how the Russian colleagues of your geography professor can represent 'the average Russian'. I bet 'the average Russian' by far isn't a professor of any kind, but, um... quite a different kind of people. My guess is that they 'like' Americans b/c they're rich for them. Just my 2 cents for what they're worth.
 
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