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Russian drone destroys $1 BILLION in Ukranian ammo

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Kaido said:
I have a buddy from the Ukraine. I may butcher this, but here it goes: he said when Russia fell (USSR?), they drew new Ukraine using lines half over the existing Ukraine and half over part of Russia. So now Russia wants their side back. My buddy is from the Russian side of the Ukraine. He is highly in favor of joining up with Putin's Russia because his side of the Ukraine is Russian, not Ukrainian.

I remember asking him why Putin was being a bad guy & invading and that was the answer he gave me. Something akin to if Mexico grabbed California as Mexico North, and then we invaded to take it back, because California is part of America. I was very surprised that he was very pro-Russian. He said everyone where he was from wanted to be a part of Russia again.

Apparently our world news gets more filtered than I realized.
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That might be and thus you start campaigning for a peaceful resolution, you dont nfiltrate incite unrest and feed the alt-* with guns and bombs... light a match and keep pouring gas on the fire. Eff that *
 
fskimospy said:
Yes, it's important for people to realize things like this before they say our news is 'filtered'.

While we all know every country's news has its own bias and perspective the fact that his friend referred to the eastern half of Ukraine as part of Russia without mentioning the fact that Ukraine (and Crimea in particular) was the subject of Russian genocide and forced deportation, purposefully increasing the proportion of Russians there is pretty troubling. It could be that his friend didn't want to bring up that context, which is twisted, or it could be that he really doesn't know or think it's a big deal due to the sort of propaganda he's likely exposed to by Russian media.

Western media isn't great but it's light years better than the sort of propaganda you see out of Russian areas. I was in St. Petersburg and Moscow recently and the media you see there is just unbelievable. It's like living on another planet.
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zinfamous said:
yep. It's how the Russians do. Putin and Gorbechev before him have long been chomping at the bit to invade the Baltics, claiming the same nonsense that their "native Russian" populations are being discriminated against in "their homeland," so they need Russian tanks to defend them....oh and to return stolen territory back to "mother russia."
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Speaking of propaganda, the centrist democrats moving to boost white welfare votes sure are the good guys. I mean, certainly people concerned with human rights matters wouldn't be looking to unload so much money on "defense", ie dropping bombs on whatever hapless population somewhere to justify yet another spending cycle, instead of doing some actual good in the world.
 
agent00f said:
Speaking of propaganda, the centrist democrats moving to boost white welfare votes sure are the good guys. I mean, certainly people concerned with human rights matters wouldn't be looking to unload so much money on "defense", ie dropping bombs on whatever hapless population somewhere to justify yet another spending cycle, instead of doing some actual good in the world.
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thanks, Russian stooge.
 
zinfamous said:
yep. It's how the Russians do. Putin and Gorbechev before him have long been chomping at the bit to invade the Baltics, claiming the same nonsense that their "native Russian" populations are being discriminated against in "their homeland," so they need Russian tanks to defend them....oh and to return stolen territory back to "mother russia."
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Your description of Gorbachev's role is highly inaccurate. He refused to employ the Stalinist methods that held the USSR & the Warsaw pact together.
 
A minor correction-Stalin ruled in the 30's and 40's He did rule into the early part of the 1950's but his purges and killings occurred earlier (mostly 1936-38). And it wasn't just Ukraine either-Stalin gave Hitler a run for the title of biggest mass murderer.
 
agent00f said:
Not much of a derail to point out the naked hypocrisy of thread participants. I do believe you do it all the time, and it's easy to see why hypocrites wouldn't accuse themselves of the same.
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Just tell us how valiant Russian patriots are fighting against evil Ukrainians to return the Donbass to Mother Russia.
 
Jhhnn said:
Your description of Gorbachev's role is highly inaccurate. He refused to employ the Stalinist methods that held the USSR & the Warsaw pact together.
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Gorbachev sent tanks into Tallin and Riga the day after they declared independence. He refused to accept it, and sent his troops in, murdering border guards and civilians that barricaded their city streets. Gorbachev was no less willing to lose those crucial, non-freezing Baltic ports than was any previous Russian dictator. I don't know man, maybe you should ask some Latvians or Estonians what they think about Gorbachev's role in the Baltics.

The Russians were already there, as they had been, so the excuse is always the same: "You can't break away because our Russian brothers and sisters would be threatened!"
 
Thump553 said:
A minor correction-Stalin ruled in the 30's and 40's He did rule into the early part of the 1950's but his purges and killings occurred earlier (mostly 1936-38). And it wasn't just Ukraine either-Stalin gave Hitler a run for the title of biggest mass murderer.
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Oh dude, it isn't even close. The bottom estimate for Stalin is on the order of 25 million murdered. Many stack 50-75 million on him....and goes into 200million if you want to count all of the deaths in forced labor camps and general starvation from negligent, broken agricultural policies (which I would do).

Also, the Baltic purges from Stalin occurred in 41 (first invasion--Malotov-Ribbentrop) and again in 44 (2nd invasion--regaining the territory from the Germans). Latvia and Estonia lost nearly 30% of their citizens over the course of 2 evenings in 41, being shipped off to labor camps. There is a very justifiable reason that the Baltic states welcomed the German Army in '42, pushing the Russians out. ....and they hated the Germans, being under Prussian/German rule for nearly 700 years. But hey, 1 year of Russians is enough to welcome your former overlords back.
 
zinfamous said:
Gorbachev sent tanks into Tallin and Riga the day after they declared independence. He refused to accept it, and sent his troops in, murdering border guards and civilians that barricaded their city streets. Gorbachev was no less willing to lose those crucial, non-freezing Baltic ports than was any previous Russian dictator. I don't know man, maybe you should ask some Latvians or Estonians what they think about Gorbachev's role in the Baltics.

The Russians were already there, as they had been, so the excuse is always the same: "You can't break away because our Russian brothers and sisters would be threatened!"
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Like I said, he refused to go Stalinist like Khrushchev had done in Hungary in 1956, for example. It's not like divisions of troops were deployed to crush any resistance or that the KGB tortured & murdered thousands to root out dissent. That would have been Stalinist.
 
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Perknose said:
Yeah, it's like if we offed a bunch of Canadians in Saskatchewan, flooded the area with Americans, and then invaded to protect our native 'Muricans against the cultural oppression of excessive Canadian politeness.
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Seems similar to how we got Texas from Mexico.
 
zinfamous said:
Oh dude, it isn't even close. The bottom estimate for Stalin is on the order of 25 million murdered. Many stack 50-75 million on him....and goes into 200million if you want to count all of the deaths in forced labor camps and general starvation from negligent, broken agricultural policies (which I would do).

Also, the Baltic purges from Stalin occurred in 41 (first invasion--Malotov-Ribbentrop) and again in 44 (2nd invasion--regaining the territory from the Germans). Latvia and Estonia lost nearly 30% of their citizens over the course of 2 evenings in 41, being shipped off to labor camps. There is a very justifiable reason that the Baltic states welcomed the German Army in '42, pushing the Russians out. ....and they hated the Germans, being under Prussian/German rule for nearly 700 years. But hey, 1 year of Russians is enough to welcome your former overlords back.
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Seriously. Hitler was an amateur at killing Russians compared to Stalin. Nobody kills Russians better than Stalin.
 
R0H1T said:
Well what does that say about Mao, one way or another?
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As with Wiemar Germany, Czarist Russia or pre-Pres. Trump 'Murica, the socio-political history of a polity sets the stage for the person and their movement . . . "What rough beast, it's hour come" . . . who ascends to power.

When the top soil has been turned and the rains come, the seeds sprouted in the nursery of our collective poltical hearts and minds shoot forth.

History has signified this many times in many different ways, all saying the same damn thing:

You reap what you sow.

We have met the enemy and he is us.

You get what you pay for.
 
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Noticed the youtube video's date was March.
But the story does explain and certainly justify further sanctions. I don't know if Europe is in a position to make it stick, they'd lose vital Russian energy exports.
 
Jaskalas said:
Noticed the youtube video's date was March.
But the story does explain and certainly justify further sanctions. I don't know if Europe is in a position to make it stick, they'd lose vital Russian energy exports.
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Well, looking at Ukraine the question quickly becomes can anyone afford gazprom gas at all as it is one of Putins vectors for funneling cash and influence into foreign nations. I say cut em off, nord stream 1 & 2, Wind and solar or bust.
 
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