Russia-Venezuela arms deal

[fitzov]

Putin and Chavez agreed on an arms deal including 24 aircraft and 53 helicopters, costing Venezuela over 3 Billion$. Chavez states that he is preparing to defend itself against the US. This makes sense considering past US involvement in Nicuragua and other South American countries, but what can they do with 23 aircraft and 53 helicopters? If the US wanted to, they could simply take them out. But maybe this is just posturing to see what the US does. In any case, Russia knows no fear when it comes to defying US interests in the Western Hemisphere.

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[blackllotus]

Yeah because we've really been threatening war with Venezuela :roll:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
Yeah because we've really been threatening war with Venezuela :roll:

There are many who would be happy to invade Venezuela.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: blackllotus
Yeah because we've really been threatening war with Venezuela :roll:

There are many who would be happy to invade Venezuela.

I'd like to know who.

That resembles Vietnam all over. Chavez is a nusance which will end up crumbling under its own weight eventually.

I wonder if his people know he is overpaying for equipment to fight a mythical war with the United States. While at the same time selling us oil and gladly taking the proceeds from those sales. All the while many many people live in a mud hut unable to do anything except hope.

 

[Aimster]

Theyll probably buy more in the future.

In 10 years they should have around 200-300 fighter jets.

The Russian aircraft they bought are much better than the F-16s they had from the U.S. Since the U.S wasn't going to sell them anymore aircraft, Venezuela went to Russia.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Theyll probably buy more in the future.

In 10 years they should have around 200-300 fighter jets.

The Russian aircraft they bought are much better than the F-16s they had from the U.S. Since the U.S wasn't going to sell them anymore aircraft, Venezuela went to Russia.

I dont know much about the current relationship, but I would imagine if we were serious, we cut off supplies for those things anyways. You cant fly those types of aircraft for more than a couple of weeks without replacement parts.

 

[K1052]

*yawn*

Just more Chavez PR, the anti-US rhetoric plays well among some of his supporters and he wants to be seen as a major political player in south and central America. All the while their government coffers are made fat almost exclusively off oil and gas exported to the US.

The US never had any intention, or will in the future, of actually invading Venezuela.
For Russia it is just a straight up arms sale for cold hard cash, pure economics.

As far as effectively defending against a hypothetical US attack with that equipment (esp in such low volume): HAHAHAHA.......good luck

 

[fitzov]

All the while many many people live in a mud hut unable to do anything except hope.

That's what they said about Nicaragua too. Then they looked at how the literacy rate skyrocketed and people actually got to eat--even if it was beans and rice.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: fitzov

All the while many many people live in a mud hut unable to do anything except hope.

That's what they said about Nicaragua too. Then they looked at how the literacy rate skyrocketed and people actually got to eat--even if it was beans and rice.

Regular utopian dream.

One has to wonder it hasnt happened in Venezuela yet, too much democracy still?

 

[Aimster]

I believe there are international laws that do not allow us to do that (block trade). Exactly why NK and Iran can exchange tech without anyone stopping them.

Plus blocking Russian shipments to a country would be a very dangerous move.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: K1052
*yawn*

Just more Chavez PR, the anti-US rhetoric plays well among some of his supporters and he wants to be seen as a major political player in south and central America. All the while their government coffers are made fat almost exclusively off oil and gas exported to the US.

The US never had any intention, or will in the future, of actually invading Venezuela.
For Russia it is just a straight up arms sale for cold hard cash, pure economics.

As far as effectively defending against a hypothetical US attack with that equipment (esp in such low volume): HAHAHAHA.......good luck

While I agree that we hadn't planned on physically invading there are many others methods of US interference. None of which could be defended against by aircraft and helicopters, but what the heck.

When we helped overthrow Chile it was using advisors and money for the most part. Our first attempt to remove Chavez from power ended badly, but showed our hand (which is likely where 99% of his US paranoia stems from). Overreacting or not, the US is the evil aggressor in South America, and pretty much always has been. I can't blame these countries for wanting to deal with others to prepare defenses against further US interference.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I believe there are international laws that do not allow us to do that (block trade). Exactly why NK and Iran can exchange tech without anyone stopping them.

Plus blocking Russian shipments to a country would be a very dangerous move.

This isn't 1962.

Russia isn't going to go nuclear over a few minor arms shipments to VZ.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
Yeah because we've really been threatening war with Venezuela :roll:

Venezuela is arming itself for its future provocations. I imagine it?ll be something along the lines of what North Korea and Iran did with nuclear technology.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Aimster
I believe there are international laws that do not allow us to do that (block trade). Exactly why NK and Iran can exchange tech without anyone stopping them.

Plus blocking Russian shipments to a country would be a very dangerous move.

This isn't 1962.

Russia isn't going to go nuclear over a few minor arms shipments to VZ.

The U.S isn't going to block any shipments from Russia to any country. That is illegal.

 

[kage69]

I'd like to know who.

I'm sure Pat Robertson wouldn't lose any sleep over it. It sounds better than the outright advocation of assassinating it's leader anyway. 😉

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: K1052
*yawn*

Just more Chavez PR, the anti-US rhetoric plays well among some of his supporters and he wants to be seen as a major political player in south and central America. All the while their government coffers are made fat almost exclusively off oil and gas exported to the US.

The US never had any intention, or will in the future, of actually invading Venezuela.
For Russia it is just a straight up arms sale for cold hard cash, pure economics.

As far as effectively defending against a hypothetical US attack with that equipment (esp in such low volume): HAHAHAHA.......good luck

While I agree that we hadn't planned on physically invading there are many others methods of US interference. None of which could be defended against by aircraft and helicopters, but what the heck.

When we helped overthrow Chile it was using advisors and money for the most part. Our first attempt to remove Chavez from power ended badly, but showed our hand (which is likely where 99% of his US paranoia stems from). Overreacting or not, the US is the evil aggressor in South America, and pretty much always has been. I can't blame these countries for wanting to deal with others to prepare defenses against further US interference.

We filled the vacum after Spain left for the most part and no we haven't been all that shy over the years about getting ourselves involved over the years. Hell, we flat out stole Panama from Columbia (though I think most Panamanians would agree that that worked better for them than remaining part of Columbia).

Still, the idea of a conventional invasion/attack on VZ at this point is just plain nuts (if he actually believes that). A big chunk of this bullsh!t is that Chavez wants to sit at the big boy's (US, EU, China, India, Russia, etc..) table and become some kind of larger South/Central American leader. His ambition is getting the better of him.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Aimster
I believe there are international laws that do not allow us to do that (block trade). Exactly why NK and Iran can exchange tech without anyone stopping them.

Plus blocking Russian shipments to a country would be a very dangerous move.

This isn't 1962.

Russia isn't going to go nuclear over a few minor arms shipments to VZ.

The U.S isn't going to block any shipments from Russia to any country. That is illegal.

Almost every blockade established by any country in the last few hundred years has been technically illegal or in violation of a treaty, but they still happen.

 

[daniel49]

not suprising since he can't repair his US fighters anymore.
On other news I understand that a statue of Chavez has been erected in Iran.
edit: my mistake the statue in Tehran seems to be to Simon Bolivar and was dedicated by chavez.
http://www.payvand.com/news/04/nov/1244.html

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Aimster
I believe there are international laws that do not allow us to do that (block trade). Exactly why NK and Iran can exchange tech without anyone stopping them.

Plus blocking Russian shipments to a country would be a very dangerous move.

This isn't 1962.

Russia isn't going to go nuclear over a few minor arms shipments to VZ.

The U.S isn't going to block any shipments from Russia to any country. That is illegal.

Almost every blockade established by any country in the last few hundred years has been technically illegal or in violation of a treaty, but they still happen.

Yeah but what countries were involved? countries that were weak.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: kage69

I'd like to know who.

I'm sure Pat Robertson wouldn't lose any sleep over it. It sounds better than the outright advocation of assassinating it's leader anyway. 😉

Because we know Pat Roberton commands a military organization.

By who, I am curious of people who have real power. Not some whackjob who thinks he can leg press 1000 pounds.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Aimster
I believe there are international laws that do not allow us to do that (block trade). Exactly why NK and Iran can exchange tech without anyone stopping them.

Plus blocking Russian shipments to a country would be a very dangerous move.

This isn't 1962.

Russia isn't going to go nuclear over a few minor arms shipments to VZ.

The U.S isn't going to block any shipments from Russia to any country. That is illegal.

Almost every blockade established by any country in the last few hundred years has been technically illegal or in violation of a treaty, but they still happen.

Yeah but what countries were involved? countries that were weak.

How about WWI between Germany and GB as an example? Neither party was weak at the time. Or the British blockade of France during the Napoleonic wars?

 

[Polish3d]

The latest pet favorite communist is really hobbknobbing with the best in the world eh? Iran, Russia, China, that dictator in Belarus, Castro (still a hero to some)

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: blackllotus
Yeah because we've really been threatening war with Venezuela :roll:

There are many who would be happy to invade Venezuela.

I'd like to know who.

That resembles Vietnam all over. Chavez is a nusance which will end up crumbling under its own weight eventually.

I wonder if his people know he is overpaying for equipment to fight a mythical war with the United States. While at the same time selling us oil and gladly taking the proceeds from those sales. All the while many many people live in a mud hut unable to do anything except hope.

Wasn't NK suppose to crumble on its own eventually...?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: blackllotus
Yeah because we've really been threatening war with Venezuela :roll:

There are many who would be happy to invade Venezuela.

I'd like to know who.

That resembles Vietnam all over. Chavez is a nusance which will end up crumbling under its own weight eventually.

I wonder if his people know he is overpaying for equipment to fight a mythical war with the United States. While at the same time selling us oil and gladly taking the proceeds from those sales. All the while many many people live in a mud hut unable to do anything except hope.

Wasn't NK suppose to crumble on its own eventually...?

If we didnt prop them up during the 1990s and have others give them food you think they would still be in power today?

Communist and Socialist type regimes fail everytime at delivering on their promises. Eventually they all fall down as witnessed over the past 15-20 years.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: blackllotus
Yeah because we've really been threatening war with Venezuela :roll:

There are many who would be happy to invade Venezuela.

I'd like to know who.

That resembles Vietnam all over. Chavez is a nusance which will end up crumbling under its own weight eventually.

I wonder if his people know he is overpaying for equipment to fight a mythical war with the United States. While at the same time selling us oil and gladly taking the proceeds from those sales. All the while many many people live in a mud hut unable to do anything except hope.

Wasn't NK suppose to crumble on its own eventually...?

If we didnt prop them up during the 1990s and have others give them food you think they would still be in power today?

Communist and Socialist type regimes fail everytime at delivering on their promises. Eventually they all fall down as witnessed over the past 15-20 years.

They tend to go about it the wrong way, or they give up the ideals and become power hungry. If they kept the ideal pure it could work.