Russia says pirates who held tanker are freed...ya think?

JEDIYoda

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I find this article fascinating.
Ya think Russia actually let the pirates go.
In a manner of speaking of course they let them go. The pirates are now fish food!!!

Sometimes the Russian way has it`s merits!!!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100507/ap_on_re_eu/eu_piracy

MOSCOW – The pirates seized by a Russian warship off the coast of Somalia have been released because of "imperfections" in international law, the Defense Ministry said Friday, a claim that sparked skepticism — and even suspicion the pirates might have been killed.

Authorities initially said the pirates would be brought to Russia to face criminal charges for hijacking a Russian oil tanker. But Defense Ministry spokesman Col. Alexei Kuznetsov told The Associated Press on Friday that the pirates had been released.

Kuznetsov declined to elaborate on the purported legal flaws that prompted the release and it was unclear how the seizure of the tanker might be legally different from last year's alleged hijacking of the Russian-crewed freighter Arctic Sea.

That vessel allegedly was seized by pirates in the Baltic Sea off Sweden and went missing for several days before a Russian warship tracked it down off West Africa. The eight alleged pirates were flown to Moscow to face eventual trial.

The Law of the Seas Convention, to which Russia is a signatory, says the courts of a country that seizes a pirated vessel on the high seas have the right to decide what penalties will be imposed.

But what to do with pirates has become a murky problem. Some countries are wary of hauling in pirates for trial for fear of being saddled with them after they serve prison terms, and some propose that pirates taken to Kenya for trial.

Kuznetsov appeared to echo those concerns when asked why the pirates who seized the tanker were released.

"Why should we feed some pirates?" he asked. He did not give specifics of the pirates' release, but the official news agency ITAR-Tass quoted a ministry source as saying they were "sent home," unarmed and without navigational devices, in the small boats they had used to approach the tanker.

Their home, presumably, was Somalia, a chaotic and lawless country where pirates are almost certain to avoid any formal prosecution.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev had hinted Thursday at tough punishment for the pirates, saying "perhaps we should get back to the idea of establishing an international court and other legal tools" to prosecute pirates. "Until then, we'll have to do what our forefathers did when they met the pirates," he said.

Mikhail Voitenko, editor of the Russian online Marine Bulletin, said the release strained credulity and instead sparked suspicion the pirates had all been killed

"There is no more stupid version than the one that has been proposed to us — that there was no sense in dealing with the pirates and that in Russia there are no suitable laws for convicting them," he wrote.

"If the pirates really were let go, it should have been done in the presence of journalists. If the pirates were killed, a heroic version would have to be thought up," Voitenko said.

The pirates boarded the tanker Moscow University on Wednesday. They were arrested Thursday after special forces from a Russian warship stormed the tanker. A gunbattle ensued in which one pirate was killed; 10 others were arrested.

The warship opened with warning fire from large-caliber machine guns and a 30mm artillery complex, the Russian Defense Ministry said. Special forces troops then rappelled down to the tanker from a helicopter, Rear Adm. Jan Thornqvist, the European Union Naval Force commander, told an Associated Press reporter aboard the Swedish warship Carlskrona, which was patrolling 500 miles (800 kilometers) west of the rescue site.

The tanker's 23 crew members, who had taken refuge in a safe room, were not injured.

Suspected pirates from other cases are in custody and awaiting trial in France, the Netherlands and the United States.

Several countries are calling for piracy cases to be prosecuted in the Kenyan port city of Mombasa. The United States, Britain and European Union have signed agreements allowing piracy suspects to be handed over to Kenya for trial.

But there are doubts that Kenya — which is still recovering from postelection turmoil in 2007 that left more than 1,000 people dead — would be able to handle the costly and complicated task of trying all or even most cases that emerge from the exploding piracy crisis in the Indian Ocean.

Some countries reportedly have dumped detained pirates back into lawless Somalia.
 
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Schadenfroh

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1. Implant pirates with a tracking device in random place while they are unconscious from the beatings inflicted during "training" with Spetsnaz.
2. Release pirates for reason x.
3. Wait for them to return to piracy, get coordinates of their base of operations
4. Send in Hind helicopter to roast it
 

waggy

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1. Implant pirates with a tracking device in random place while they are unconscious from the beatings inflicted during "training" with Spetsnaz.
2. Release pirates for reason x.
3. Wait for them to return to piracy, get coordinates of their base of operations
4. Send in Hind helicopter to roast it

lol good idea.

Related article here about the Russians stormed the hijacked ship, killing at least one pirate: http://www.courant.com/news/nation-world/sns-ap-piracy,0,1021262.story

Maybe I'm cynical, but I suspect the Russian concept of freeing the pirates is to release them from the ship several hundred miles out to sea, to swim back to Somalia.

sounds like a good idea to me.. and i suspect you are right.
 

lsquare

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When I first read this story on the BBC, I was pissed off to think that the Russians let these pirates go. Now, I'm thinking they executed the pirates, which is a good thing. Why should the Russians or Kenyans even bother incarcerating these pests? The easiest solution is to just execute the pirates and dump their bodies in the sea. There's no need to treat these pests humanely as they don't deserve such respect from anyone.
 

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1. Implant pirates with a tracking device in random place while they are unconscious from the beatings inflicted during "training" with Spetsnaz.
2. Release pirates for reason x.
3. Wait for them to return to piracy, get coordinates of their base of operations
4. Send in Hind helicopter to roast it
I like it.

Most of these pirates are being let go due to international law issues. So basically it's like me robbing a gas station and if I get money I win. If I get caught I just eat prison food for a few days then I'm let go 15 miles from home, walk home, and then try again later. It's pure fail.
 

Balt

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Not that I would support the United States executing people already in custody in such a fashion, but if the Russians want to do that, well... what can ya do? :hmm:
 

Kappo

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Not that I would support the United States executing people already in custody in such a fashion, but if the Russians want to do that, well... what can ya do? :hmm:

Smile and nod :D
 

Schadenfroh

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How do we go about "fixing" international law that would allow for a "proper" punishment for these pirates? Is this something that has to be done through the UN or Geneva Convention?
 

Kappo

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How do we go about "fixing" international law that would allow for a "proper" punishment for these pirates? Is this something that has to be done through the UN or Geneva Convention?

Killing them instead of giving them what they want would probably be a good deterrent. I actually like just putting them off the boat in a lifeboat and saying "peace guys!".
 

JEDIYoda

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Killing them instead of giving them what they want would probably be a good deterrent. I actually like just putting them off the boat in a lifeboat and saying "peace guys!".

To be quite honest if the Russians did kill these pirates it sends a grim message to other pirates and probably will make the pirates think twice about messing with Russian flagged ships....
 

Kappo

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To be quite honest if the Russians did kill these pirates it sends a grim message to other pirates and probably will make the pirates think twice about messing with Russian flagged ships....

I'm going with the idea that they shot them and dumped the bodies, stuck an empty lifeboat out there and called it "letting them go". When the buddies stop coming back mysteriously after Russia "lets them go", they may need to rethink the whole kidnapping, ransom, hijack thing.
 

Schadenfroh

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To be quite honest if the Russians did kill these pirates it sends a grim message to other pirates and probably will make the pirates think twice about messing with Russian flagged ships....

They would have to get the word out, burning a few pirate coves with napalm and publicly executing pirates in villages would likely do the trick. Again, I would never advocate such barbaric practices, but if the Russians go Chechen crackdown on them, then it is out of our hands.
 

gaidensensei

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So the real question to ask is, what to do with imbeciles who come from ravished countries, so poor and rampant with poverty / greed, that they grow up with no true direction in life?

We have an ever so many increase in people, probably 7-8 billion by now that even the US will eventually have less sq ft. of land available per person. And nowhere is this exponential growth going to decline anytime soon.

So what would you propose to do with the dregs of society? Kill some people these days just to reduce population size? Force them into an entire life of slavery (or even bring some form of slavery back?). Ignore them and continue to encounter them again?

Not sure what to take of it but lots of questions are arising as society develops.
 

Icepick

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So the real question to ask is, what to do with imbeciles who come from ravished countries, so poor and rampant with poverty / greed, that they grow up with no true direction in life?

We have an ever so many increase in people, probably 7-8 billion by now that even the US will eventually have less sq ft. of land available per person. And nowhere is this exponential growth going to decline anytime soon.

So what would you propose to do with the dregs of society? Kill some people these days just to reduce population size? Force them into an entire life of slavery (or even bring some form of slavery back?). Ignore them and continue to encounter them again?

Not sure what to take of it but lots of questions are arising as society develops.

This is unquestionably the root cause of the problem of piracy. Now that we know the root cause, what is a viable solution? This problem won't go away until everyone has access to the basic needs in life. When everyone has access to resources that allow for a "good life" then said resources will be consumed and shortages will arise. Once again we would have large groups of people who are suffering and have no hope in life. Welcome to hell.
 

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cubeless

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How do we go about "fixing" international law that would allow for a "proper" punishment for these pirates? Is this something that has to be done through the UN or Geneva Convention?

why can't we just shoot non-citizens who do crime with a gun in the us? maybe we can get international law to cover that, too? seems a lot the same to me...