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Russia ratifies Kyoto treaty ~ where is US

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Well they are willing to spend $200B+ to "free iraq". Also willing to spend billions in missile shield. Both things that are geared at public safety and valuing life. But contamination for all eternity isnt worth it. We are making decisions for trillions of people here...not just a few million that MAY be affected by kyoto implementation.
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This is a ridiculous comparison. First, if we didn't invade Iraq, these funds would never go towards environmental protections - they would simply not be spent. Second, the government doesn't pay for environmental improvements. Industries do. The government is a regulator making sure the companies are in compliance.
 
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Originally posted by: Condor
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You really need an Education.

Chernobyl, read up on it. Besides, if their pollution is that bad, don't you think it's actually a good thing that they are trying to do something about it?

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You need to travel. All knowledge isn't in the comics or on the WEB. I just spent 3 years in Kiev, UK. Look on the map. Our Embassy managed Chernobyl. Many of my employees had fathers, brothers and uncles die in the effort to dump concrete and lead on the hot smoldering ruin while the radiation burned their organs.
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That's nice and all, but what does Chernobyl's mess, needing to wash boots, and Russia signing the Kyoto agreement have in common? Besides, like I said, if the place is such a Hell Hole you'd think it would be a good thing to decide to do something about it.
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I was unsure what you meant by bringing up Chernobyl in connection with Russia signing the accords too. I thought that you may have thought that Kiev was still a part of Russia. You do know that Chernobyl is in Ukraine, don't you? You do know that Ukraine has been independent since 1992, don't you? You said that I needed an education. Looks like you need to read.

The other issue with Kyoto is that I have never been to another country with an environment as good as that found in the United States since we started cleaning up in the 1970/80's. Most of the signatories have awful environmental records. Japan certainly have no bragging rights - they are trying to fish the oceans empty. They have pretty much poached all of the Cod off the Grand Banks. Look at the signatories and tell me which of them have a better record than we have.

The other and related issue is that since Clinton signed NAFTA, most of our heavy industries that pollute are now in China. In this town, the Republic steel mill has been moved there. That sure made this city a lot better to live in. It did move some very skilled workers to jobs in MacDonalds and Walmart though.
 
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