Russia protests skating result

[Random Variable]

I want to file a formal protest against Russia's protest.

 

[ShallowHal]

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<< The Sale/Pelletier thing was not simply a case of "we should have won". There was actually admission of tampering in the judging process, which definitely should be considered. >>


The judge has since said there was no tampering or bias. Have you actually seen her so called confession? If she was guilty of this, why wasn't she suspended forever, why just 1 year? I think she was told, confess to this and you will only get 1 year suspension otherwise lifetime suspension.
There was no transparency, the results not made public. IOC pressured the judge and she told them what they wanted to hear. They sold out their sport and opened a pandora's box with these gold medals, and now they have to deal with it.
I am not saying Hughes shouldn't have won, but as Canadians made clear, whining works, so you can't blame them for trying. >>



Huh? Since one of us in this forum didn't hear the French skating judge admit anything, it didn't happen? She got caught by another judge and admitted it (Too late now to take it back.). Bot the IOC and the ICU believe (and correctly acted upon) that evidence.
The Canadian skaters got shafted and there is evidence to prove it. The Russians have nothing. Apples and Oranges.

 

[quoc]

<< <<To be accurate, a flawless performance is not requisit for a first place. A non-clean performance that is complex is better than a clean but simple performance. Perhaps this is the Russian point of view. >>

Hughes' performance was clean and complex. Slutskya's program was gonna be hard but she didn't execute (ex: some triple jumps became doubles) >>



Yes, Hughes had a clean AND complex performance. I think they said last night that Hughes was the first woman to perform two triple-triple jump combinations in a single program? I'm no expert on figure skating, but I know they were saying on TV that Hughes planned a very difficult program because she felt her medal chances were slim, given that she got 4th in the short program. Yet she still skated cleanly. So tell me, how can the Russians argue that Slutskaya had a better performance than Hughes last night?

 

[LH]

Hughes has the most technical preformance given the fall by Cohen and Slutskya not doing ANY triple-triples, plus Slutskya landed one two feet on a triple, as well as mislanding a triple flip. Hughes skated the most technical, if Slutskya did her normal routine, and still didnt skate clean she probably would have won. But she didnt do a complex routine, and she didnt skate clean. Hughes did both and rightfully won the free skate.

 

[LH]

Oh and in '98 there was recordings of vote swapping in Ice Dancing, the main judge involved was only suspended two years and was back judging at this olympics, they dont do life time bans..

 

[chansen]

<< The judge has since said there was no tampering or bias. Have you actually seen her so called confession? If she was guilty of this, why wasn't she suspended forever, why just 1 year? I think she was told, confess to this and you will only get 1 year suspension otherwise lifetime suspension.
There was no transparency, the results not made public. IOC pressured the judge and she told them what they wanted to hear. They sold out their sport and opened a pandora's box with these gold medals, and now they have to deal with it.
I am not saying Hughes shouldn't have won, but as Canadians made clear, whining works, so you can't blame them for trying. >>



1 year is the standard suspension for judges caught tampering with results. A Ukranian ice dance judge was handed the same suspension after Nagano after he was recorded discussing the planned placements of the skaters.

Of course, he was back judging at Salt Lake.

 

[crystal]

Everyone says Huges have a great performance last night and deserves the gold, but isn't the whole thing consist of short & long events in which she in fourth place in the short event. The Russian chit did well in both events, so overall, I think she should won (because of consistency).

 

[goog]

Should have held the Olympics in Wisconsin, so a large supply of cheese would have been readily available

1. Russians were benefactors of cheating in pairs skating judging (French judge went to American referee), would have and should have won silver (alternate judge - Czech I believe - picked the Candians), having to share the gold boohoo.
2. Slutskaya didn't skate well enough to win, she finished second and was satisfied with that. Judging was actually excellent last night.
3. Probable doping and not getting to race, please

4. Was working and didn't see the Czech vs. Russia game where the Russians are complaining about the officiating, so can't comment on that.

and
5. The Korean clearly violated the rules of shorttrack and impeded Ohno and was justly disqualified.

 

[quoc]

<< Everyone says Huges have a great performance last night and deserves the gold, but isn't the whole thing consist of short & long events in which she in fourth place in the short event. The Russian chit did well in both events, so overall, I think she should won (because of consistency). >>


Yes, but the long program is worth twice as much. You take half the short program rank and add it to the long program rank to form overall standings, with tiebreakers determined by long program standing.

For example, Hughes got 4th and 1st, so:
.5 * (4) + (1) = 3

Slutskaya got 2nd and 2nd, so:
.5 * (2) + (2) = 3

Tied in score, but Hughes gets the tiebreaker.

That's also why Kwan was ahead of Hughes before Slutskaya skated. With 1st and 2nd in the short and long program, respectively, she had a score of 2.5, but when she fell to 3rd in the long program, her score went to 3.5. Interesting, isn't it?

I didn't come up with this scoring system, I'm just explaining it to you. If you don't agree with it, and think consistency is more important (so the short and long programs should hold equal weight), take it up with the ISU or whoever came up with it.

 

[goog]

<< Everyone says Huges have a great performance last night and deserves the gold, but isn't the whole thing consist of short & long events in which she in fourth place in the short event. The Russian chit did well in both events, so overall, I think she should won (because of consistency). >>



Umm, what's a "chit"?