Russia may change stance on Iran due to West response to Ukraine

[OCGuy]

Neocon media manipulators made JK and Obama spew all the embarrassing bluster?

 

[Fern]

Heh. The pissing & moaning from the usual haters is epic.

When Faux News reports that Russia is reportedly changing her stance, what does that mean?

It means there's a whole lot of un-sourced speculation with an agenda....
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It might be helpful to read the news occasionally.

"Reportedly change"?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...Id=64f5a2e8-2b9e-45c2-822d-3299d59e6ff2&hl=en

Here's a quick google. This isn't just some invention or spin by Fox News:

https://www.google.com/search?q=rus...fficial&client=firefox-a&channel=np&source=hp

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

It might be helpful to read the news occasionally.

"Reportedly change"?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...Id=64f5a2e8-2b9e-45c2-822d-3299d59e6ff2&hl=en

Here's a quick google. This isn't just some invention or spin by Fox News:

https://www.google.com/search?q=rus...fficial&client=firefox-a&channel=np&source=hp

Fern

Thank you for that. I had the sense to doubt it, because it's Fox, whereas the OP instantly believed it, because it's Fox.

Go figure.

Perhaps the most remarkable thing about the Iranian situation is that the outcome is both obvious & inevitable, Neocon raving & fearmongering aside.

I'm pretty sure that the Iranians will settle for their ongoing nuclear program being treated exactly like the programs in other non-nuclear weapons NPT states, but that hasn't ever been our agenda, at all. They'll very likely agree to that, and so will we once we figure out how to overcome the Israeli lobby and the rest of the warmongers.

They've not been shown to have produced weapons grade material, something the IAEA assures us they would detect, nor have they been unwilling to discuss different necessary safeguards on their planned reactors.

No weapons grade materials, no weapons, and that's the best we're going to get. Russia's stance isn't really important other than in defending a failed hard line position we'll have to abandon, anyway. This die was cast long ago, like our withdrawal from Iraq & Afghanistan, part & parcel of failed Neocon foreign policy.

 

[Jhhnn]

Neocon media manipulators made JK and Obama spew all the embarrassing bluster?

Gotta talk tough, because it's an election year, and because tradition had you cornered before it even happened. When all you can do is bluff, you bluff.

You'd be calling them pussies if they didn't.

 

[cubby1223]

Heh. The pissing & moaning from the usual haters is epic.

When Faux News reports that Russia is reportedly changing her stance, what does that mean?

I don't know - what does it mean when ABC reports it?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-warns-west-change-stance-iran-22973183

Oh, that's right, all you ever seem capable of doing is bashing Republicans, bashing Fox News. What are you capable of doing when your niche argument doesn't fit?

Thank you for that. I had the sense to doubt it, because it's Fox, whereas the OP instantly believed it, because it's Fox.

Go figure.

Next time you decide to be lazy and loud, be lazy and loud somewhere else. We're not your personal google servants.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't know - what does it mean when ABC reports it?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-warns-west-change-stance-iran-22973183

Oh, that's right, all you ever seem capable of doing is bashing Republicans, bashing Fox News. What are you capable of doing when your niche argument doesn't fit?



Next time you decide to be lazy and loud, be lazy and loud somewhere else. We're not your personal google servants.

Uh-wah. The OP & Faux News made unsupported claims. It's their job to back them up, mine to doubt them when presented in such a way. It's not like neither of them have no prior offenses in that regard.

I should Google it? Quite the contrary. The OP needs to provide credible links in the first place & we can deal with it from there.

 

[Texashiker]

Russia's stance isn't really important other than in defending a failed hard line position we'll have to abandon, anyway.

Russia's stance is not important?

Remind me, who are the permanent members of the UN security council?

If I remember right, doesn't Russia have veto power at the UN security council?

Please explain to me how Russia's stance is not important when they can veto any and all new sanctions against Iran.

I should Google it? Quite the contrary. The OP needs to provide credible links in the first place & we can deal with it from there.

It is not your place to tell me what news sites I can and can not link to.

If you disagree with the news, then post a rebuttal. This "I dont believe anything foxnews says" is not a rebuttal.

Huff post also posted the same article. But since huffpost is a far left radical rabid liberal website, I do not like to link to them.

 

[Atreus21]

Heh. The pissing & moaning from the usual haters is epic.

When Faux News reports that Russia is reportedly changing her stance, what does that mean?

It means there's a whole lot of un-sourced speculation with an agenda....

Crimea? All over but the shouting. It was all over before the Neocon media manipulators fluffed it up for their own purposes, because neither we nor the Europeans are stupid enough to take any action to the contrary. Crimeans get the safety of the Russian Federation, and Ukrainians get to deal with mobs in the streets in Kiev. Which is where it all started, anyway.

You never know, but I doubt that even the proto fascists in the Ukrainian govt are dumb enough to start shooting. How'd it come to this? Because Ukrainian ultra-nationalists were begging for it, and because in yo' face stupid doesn't impress Putin.

TR acted the same way about Panama, and there wasn't a fucking thing anybody could do about that, either. Which is not to even mention other more recent interventions in Latin America.

The Atreus21 challenge:

Go look around Pravda. Compare to Jhhhn's post. See if you can distinguish between them.

 

[K1052]

Please explain to me how Russia's stance is not important when they can veto any and all new sanctions against Iran.

I wasn't aware Putin had veto power over executive orders and the US congress.

 

[alcoholbob]

Iran isn't even a major issue. The primary re-supply line to Afghanistan to US forces goes through Russia. All Putin has to say is "no more movement of material and troops through our country" and the U.S. is screwed.

 

[Karl Agathon]

Neocon media manipulators made JK and Obama spew all the embarrassing bluster?

Hello from a fellow American on PDF

 

[Spungo]

As incompetent as our dear leader is, I don't think there's a whole lot he could have done differently in this scenario. We simply don't have the power to compel Russia or China to do what we want them to do.

The problem is not that Obama is doing nothing. The problem is that he's acting like he can do something. It completely destroys our credibility when our leader starts issuing empty threats.

Putin and Obama are good examples of opposing imperialist strategies. Putin says very little. He goes ahead and does things while drawing as little attention as possible. Obama is doing the opposite. Obama is all talk and no action. I'm not saying he should do anything. I'm saying Obama should shut the hell up. He can try to work diplomacy and make phone calls, but don't go around making a bunch of empty threats. It makes us look desperate.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Atreus21 challenge:

Go look around Pravda. Compare to Jhhhn's post. See if you can distinguish between them.

When all else fails, just wave a "Commie!" tarbrush, leap into the bunker o' denial.

It means yu got nuthin', but have to yap about it anyway.

 

[Jhhnn]

Russia's stance is not important?

Remind me, who are the permanent members of the UN security council?

If I remember right, doesn't Russia have veto power at the UN security council?

Please explain to me how Russia's stance is not important when they can veto any and all new sanctions against Iran.

There won't be any new sanctions, anyway

It is not your place to tell me what news sites I can and can not link to.

If you disagree with the news, then post a rebuttal. This "I dont believe anything foxnews says" is not a rebuttal.

Huff post also posted the same article. But since huffpost is a far left radical rabid liberal website, I do not like to link to them.

It's your obligation to support a position, and the Faux news article isn't it. They reported that there were reports, no source, no quotes, no links, nothing. That's not a source, it's just mindless chatter for gullible believers, even if it is true.

 

[Darwin333]

How is Putin playing with a weak hand?

That is meant as a serious question.

If anything, helping Iran changes the whole middle east / global peace issue. Israel has been talking about striking Iran. Russia starts sending trainloads of supplies to Iran, this destabilizes the middle east by proxy.

Putin could start a new war in the middle east without ever having to lift a finger, and a war he is not involved in.

On the other hand, we would be drawn into any conflict that involved Israel.

Putin would laugh all the way to the bank for trading nuclear technology for gold.

Putin has a very strong hand in that he could contribute to a conflict, step back and watch all the fun on CNN.

Unless they find a way to invade friggen Florida we will not be going to war with another ME country in the next decade or so. At BEST we will supply Israel with some more military hardware and let them do the fighting. Lucky for us Israel is perfectly willing to do just that.

 

[OCGuy]

Hello from a fellow American on PDF

:thumbsup:

 

[Jhhnn]

Unless they find a way to invade friggen Florida we will not be going to war with another ME country in the next decade or so. At BEST we will supply Israel with some more military hardware and let them do the fighting. Lucky for us Israel is perfectly willing to do just that.

More like lucky for Israel.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-3kKwdV8ms

What have we become
Just look what we have done
All that we destroyed
You must build again

No more presidents
And all the wars will end
One united world under God

When the children cry
Let them know we tried
'Cause when the children sing
The new world begins

 

[John Connor]

Patton was right. We should have buried Russia while we had the chance. We were the only ones with nuclear weapons until that bastard Klaus Fuchs gve the Russians nuclear secrets. If I could go back in time I would have told patton what would happen in the future with Russia and kill Klaus Fuchs. LOL