Russia launches an ICBM into Kazakhstan

[MasterOfUsers]

Sure do

Why? Because you hate the dictatorship that is trying to expand yet again or is it because you hate America and it's administration (as in Obama)?

 

[senseamp]

Why? Because you hate the dictatorship that is trying to expand yet again or is it because you hate America and it's administration (as in Obama)?

I enjoy being amused.:twisted:

 

[MasterOfUsers]

I enjoy being amused.:twisted:

I can relate to that, it amused me a lot when the US attacked Iraq over WMD's.

Funniest thing in all of the 00's

 

[Jhhnn]

Are you insane? Every neighbouring Eastern European nation is a NATO member you daft twit, including the Baltic states.

Holy crap... i knew that the meme of Americans not being able to tell their arse from Australia was somewhat true but here you go and proclaim it's absolutely certain?

Yeh, and Crimea is how far away?

And what moves have the Russians made against any Nato member? None, nor likely will they. Putin isn't stupid.

Be sure to attempt to invoke the boogeyman every chance you get, however.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Yeh, and Crimea is how far away?

And what moves have the Russians made against any Nato member? None, nor likely will they. Putin isn't stupid.

Be sure to attempt to invoke the boogeyman every chance you get, however.

Yeah, it's a government conspiracy... Another government conspiracy is that pot smoking makes you paranoid but that is just not true either, right?

I don't know if i should punch you in the face for your utter stupidity or pat you on the head for being and thinking like a child.
Crimea is pretty fucking close, go take a look at any map.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah, it's a government conspiracy... Another government conspiracy is that pot smoking makes you paranoid but that is just not true either, right?

I don't know if i should punch you in the face for your utter stupidity or pat you on the head for being and thinking like a child.
Crimea is pretty fucking close, go take a look at any map.

Yeh, the closest Nato member is Romania, on the other side of Ukraine & Moldova from Crimea.

Heh. You're the one exhibiting typical right wing paranoia in this thread.

Russia! North Fucking Korea! China! OMFG! Must rave & thump chest!

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Yeh, the closest Nato member is Romania, on the other side of Ukraine & Moldova from Crimea.

Heh. You're the one exhibiting typical right wing paranoia in this thread.

Russia! North Fucking Korea! China! OMFG! Must rave & thump chest!

I have right wing paranoia? Really? You are the one that thinks the government is out to spread propaganda here, a liberal government that i support. I'm a liberal but you're not, you are a fucking Putin boot licker and nothing else and it's pathetic.

 

[cubby1223]

Yeh, the closest Nato member is Romania, on the other side of Ukraine & Moldova from Crimea.

Or... a straight-shot over the open sea.

Map... ever heard of one?

 

[senseamp]

Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania are NATO members right next to Russia. But you hardly need an intercontinental missile like Topol-M at that range. Usually they launch them at a Far East testing ground across Russia, even Kazakhstan is fairly short range from the Caspian.

 

[Jhhnn]

Or... a straight-shot over the open sea.

Map... ever heard of one?

Of course. It's not like Russia has much of an amphibious assault force, nor does it matter. Russia has shown no intention to attack any Nato member.

Russia's actions in Ukraine don't threaten Nato but rather the expansion of Nato. There is a difference. Putin won this round in the Great Game, and he might yet win more. The West gambled, waltzed the Ukrainians right into it, eyes wide shut, and lost.

We've shed all the crocodile tears necessary over people we used as pawns, gotten as much propaganda mileage out of it as we can, so maybe we can move on, hopefully to a non-Cold Warrior foreign policy.

 

[cubby1223]

Of course. It's not like Russia has much of an amphibious assault force, nor does it matter. Russia has shown no intention to attack any Nato member.

Russia's actions in Ukraine don't threaten Nato but rather the expansion of Nato. There is a difference. Putin won this round in the Great Game, and he might yet win more. The West gambled, waltzed the Ukrainians right into it, eyes wide shut, and lost.

We've shed all the crocodile tears necessary over people we used as pawns, gotten as much propaganda mileage out of it as we can, so maybe we can move on, hopefully to a non-Cold Warrior foreign policy.

I wasn't refuting your position that Russia is not likely to invade any NATO country, I was refuting your stance that NATO countries are not close to Russia.

I personally don't even understand this talk about NATO. Whether Ukraine is a part of NATO or not, does not determine whether Russia doing what they did as right or wrong, nor does NATO/no NATO determine whether the rest of the world should respond or not.

This whole situation is a look at how pathetic the U.S. is becoming. You have the gas deal signed between Russia & China today, while we sit with our thumbs up are assess with the Keystone pipeline as if we, the U.S., deserve to throw our weight around and demand other countries glorify us with their resources just because we are the U.S.! Europe has been descending into irrelevance for quite some time now. The U.S. for some reason wants to follow in their footsteps.

I wouldn't mind Russia or China if their governments weren't so damned abusive to their citizens and to their neighbors. But they are. And the world runs on money, not on good intentions.

 

[Jhhnn]

I wasn't refuting your position that Russia is not likely to invade any NATO country, I was refuting your stance that NATO countries are not close to Russia.

That wasn't my stance. Russian annexation of Crimea does not threaten Nato as alleged, nor does it offer any plausible excuse for saying so.

I personally don't even understand this talk about NATO. Whether Ukraine is a part of NATO or not, does not determine whether Russia doing what they did as right or wrong, nor does NATO/no NATO determine whether the rest of the world should respond or not.

It makes Russia's actions right from Russian perspective.

This whole situation is a look at how pathetic the U.S. is becoming. You have the gas deal signed between Russia & China today, while we sit with our thumbs up are assess with the Keystone pipeline as if we, the U.S., deserve to throw our weight around and demand other countries glorify us with their resources just because we are the U.S.! Europe has been descending into irrelevance for quite some time now. The U.S. for some reason wants to follow in their footsteps.

Apples and aarvarks, immaterial to the discussion at hand. But you just had to drag it in, lacking anything substantiative. Any faith maintaining right wing talking point is better than none, apparently.

I wouldn't mind Russia or China if their governments weren't so damned abusive to their citizens and to their neighbors. But they are. And the world runs on money, not on good intentions.

Immaterial.

 

[cubby1223]

That wasn't my stance. Russian annexation of Crimea does not threaten Nato as alleged, nor does it offer any plausible excuse for saying so.

Tell that to the people who live along Russia's border. Tell that to the people who had their parents and grandparents taken away and thrown in prison by the soviets.

Russia invaded another country's territories and claimed the land as their own, and used their military to defend their action.

It makes Russia's actions right from Russian perspective.

Really?

You are saying Russia believes it is their right to invade any country who is not a part of NATO. That is what you are saying.

You are basically spelling out the argument why it is beneficial for all countries bordering Russia to become aligned with NATO. So they are off limits from Russian invasion.

Immaterial.

Why? Because you don't like it?


On another side note, I just realized Poland, too, borders Russia. Never noticed that before! There's another NATO country right up against their borders. Should we discuss the process by which Kalingrad became a predominantly ethnic Russian city? It's absolutely relevant to the tensions between people in Eastern Europe. If you want to dismiss it as "immaterial", now you're being the ignorant one.

 

[Subyman]

Thanks for the laugh.

Russians like to test & improve their arsenal like the rest of the nuclear weapons states. They just don't have a place like Cape Canaveral to do it. Can't just shoot them out over the ocean.

Siberia perhaps?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

How dim. NK might be a lot of things, but they're not stupid. They have solid intelligence, and what it tells them is that their antiquated forces would be annihilated in short order if they attempt to invade the South. The ROK has one of the largest & best equipped militaries in the world, not to mention US backing.

Nobody will back the DPRK, either. The Cold War is over, no matter how badly the Neocons want it back.

The West won't be going to war over Ukraine, either, certainly not the way Putin has played it so far. Lots of hair pulling, gnashing of teeth & raving, however.

Right, only neo-cons want a cold war. Lets just ignore this administration's actions.

 

[MongGrel]

Mostly a bunch of posing atm, but with the whole US/Russia, thing going on there, and the NK/SK shooting at each others warships, and the China Oil Rig/Vietnam factories being destroyed things in general, the Communists seem to be ramping things up a lot.

Starting to feel like the Cold War again, except for the fact we have shifted a lot of our manufacturing base to China to begin with in the name of Corporate Profits.

Something seems oddly out of synch here ya think, when we've shifted a large portion of manufacturing to a country to make profits that are being aggressive?????

Ponder that one awhile, next you'll have Cadillac Subs attacking the US

Yes that's taking it to extremes, but actually kinda true.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Mostly a bunch of posing atm, but with the whole US/Russia, thing going on there, and the NK/SK shooting at each others warships, and the China Oil Rig/Vietnam factories being destroyed things in general, the Communists seem to be ramping things up a lot.

Starting to feel like the Cold War again, except for the fact we have shifted a lot of our manufacturing base to China to begin with in the name of Corporate Profits.

Something seems oddly out of synch here ya think, when we've shifted a large portion of manufacturing to a country to make profits that are being aggressive?????

Ponder that one awhile, next you'll have Cadillac Subs attacking the US

Yes that's taking it to extremes, but actually kinda true.

The reason is that the likelihood of global conflicts increases after bleak economic events occur. Those events tend to set the stage for nations to compete for scarce resources when the distortion of boom evaporates.

 

[MongGrel]

You have seemed to have missed the point entirely.

 

[Jhhnn]

Right, only neo-cons want a cold war. Lets just ignore this administration's actions.

The Obama Admin follows Neocon foreign policy, make no mistake about that.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Recent update, for the fifth time Putin is saying he's withdrawing the forces from the border. And that Ukraine is now in a state of full scale civil war. I am sure the boot lickers will love it when the Russian tanks roll in.

 

[Jhhnn]

Recent update, for the fifth time Putin is saying he's withdrawing the forces from the border. And that Ukraine is now in a state of full scale civil war. I am sure the boot lickers will love it when the Russian tanks roll in.

Or not, not any of it, that is.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

The Obama Admin follows Neocon foreign policy, make no mistake about that.

Of course, between the USA doing pretty much nothing and Russia invading a sovereign nation to make the territory theirs you think that Russia isn't the problem, it's the USA.

The US having the GALL to even tell Putin off and impose sanctions... well that just means the USA is a horrible nation and Russia is the glorious saviours.

I mean, to not side with Russia, this shining beacon of a democracy is just wrong, amirite?

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Or not, not any of it, that is.

Well, of course Putin isn't withdrawing the troops when he just said that Ukraine is now in a state of full civil war.

I fully expect him to do what he has said he would do all along and roll in to protect the Russians.

Unless you would call dear leader a liar?

 

[MasterOfUsers]

The West gambled, waltzed the Ukrainians right into it, eyes wide shut, and lost.

You do realize that that RT is the actual network where Kremlin reports the news to the surrounding world, right? There isn't a thing there that isn't Russian propaganda.

You also realize that the Euromaidan demonstrations were not supported by the west in any way at all except through small individual contributions from people living in the west, right?

Ukraine didn't want to be under the foot of a two bit dictator in a third world nation, they know what happened in Belarus, they know what happened in Khazakstan, they wanted a western democracy. THAT is why the demonstrations happened and even a dimwit as yourself probably can see why being ruled by a two bit dictator in a third world nation isn't something that is possibly going to end well for the people but pretty awesome for the leaders.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The Obama Admin follows Neocon foreign policy, make no mistake about that.

And who are neo-cons? Oh that's right ex-Dem's who wanted a stronger foreign policy favoring Israel but outside that they still supported the interventionist agenda that the Dem party has always supported from JFK's policing action in Vietnam and the Bay of Pigs fiasco on down to Obama today.

Thus the Obama administration follows the foreign policy which is and has been favored by the Democrat party's leadership from Obama himself, to Biden, Kerry, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, both Clintons, etc.

That isn't to say that the GOP doesn't have its own pro-interventionist contingent (neo-cons) but lets not pretend that your insinuation that this agenda was hoisted onto this administration or the core of the Dem party is anywhere to remotely being true. Especially when it has always been there from the start. To continue to pretend otherwise just undermines your credibility and shows off your blindly partisan nature.

Shit even far left guys like Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich aren't shy about pointing out the obvious truth that this interventionism is something that has existed within the Dem party's own core leadership and within the Obama administration for a good while now.