Russia and China decrypt Snowden files

[PokerGuy]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35856945&postcount=29



Return him to the U.S., try him, and hang him.

Why should he be treated that way, while those who spied on their countrymen and our allies, then lied about it in court and in front of congress are not in any way held accountable?

It would have been better had he limited his leaks to the things pertinent to spying on US citizens, but ultimately Snowden needed support from someone to keep him from getting handed over to the US government. The fact that he would release more information than just about the US spying on its citizens is what kept him safe. On the whole, the whole Snowden chapter is still a net "positive" in my mind, but the story has not concluded yet so that might change.

 

[brandonb]

He's a traitor to our government.
He's a hero to our people.

What does that say about our government?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I think Obama will grant him a pardon simply to get him back in the country. This will be done on his last evening in the oval office.

 

[Jaskalas]

He's a traitor to our government.
He's a hero to our people.

What does that say about our government?

That America has upstaged DPRK and is now Best Korea!™

 

[Jimzz]

So pretty much this guy says "I believe Edward Snowden 110%, Russian and Chinese governments 100% and the US government 0%".

And then we believe this guy 100%.

Snowden has already been caught in numerous lies. What makes anybody think he's being truthful?

What are those?

 

[JEDIYoda]

so says Russia and China.....hmmmmm

 

[Jimzz]

US journalist Greenwald rebuts claim that Snowden files breached
"Glenn Greenwald, writing on the online news website The Intercept, said the reports by the Sunday Times and BBC were based on the false premise that Snowden kept possession of the files he took from the US National Security Agency"

http://news.yahoo.com/us-journalist-greenwald-rebuts-claim-snowden-files-breached-152128420.html

 

[Genx87]

Greenwald is such a killjoy for the security statists fear mongering.

 

[BoberFett]

Snowden isn't the problem. If state secrets were reserved for things that were actually necessary to be secrets, then it wouldn't be a problem. But the government can't be trusted and they mark things classified just to cover their corrupt and/or incompetent asses. If they could be trusted then great, I'd have no problem with them keeping documents classified, but they've proven they can't be trusted so they lost their classification privileges thanks to Snowden.

 

[BoberFett]

i don't know what it is with Snowden, but whenever I see his face, I think douchebag

Funny, I think the same thing... about the people who call him a traitor.

 

[Genx87]

Here is a direct link to Greewalds scathing article about our media.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...iles-journalism-worst-also-filled-falsehoods/

he Sunday Times article is even worse because it protects the officials they’re serving with anonymity. The beauty of this tactic is that the accusations can’t be challenged. The official accusers are being hidden by the journalists so nobody can confront them or hold them accountable when it turns out to be false. The evidence can’t be analyzed or dissected because there literally is none: they just make the accusation and, because they’re state officials, their media-servants will publish it with no evidence needed. And as is always true, there is no way to prove the negative. It’s like being smeared by a ghost with a substance that you can’t touch.

This is the very opposite of journalism. Ponder how dumb someone has to be at this point to read an anonymous government accusation, made with zero evidence, and accept it as true.

What kind of person would read evidence-free accusations of this sort from anonymous government officials — designed to smear a whistleblower they hate — and believe them? That’s a particularly compelling question given that Vice’s Jason Leopold just last week obtained and published previously secret documents revealing a coordinated smear campaign in Washington to malign Snowden. Describing those documents, he reported: “A bipartisan group of Washington lawmakers solicited details from Pentagon officials that they could use to ‘damage’ former NSA contractor Edward Snowden’s ‘credibility in the press and the court of public opinion.'”

Manifestly then, the “journalism” in this Sunday Times article is as shoddy and unreliable as it gets. Worse, its key accusations depend on retraction-level lies.

 

[BoberFett]

Snowden is a traitor and should be handled as such.

Elected president?

 

[Linux23]

It is interesting so many want Snowden hung and not the people who are violating our rights and lie in front of congress about it.

^^^

That.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

US journalist Greenwald rebuts claim that Snowden files breached
"Glenn Greenwald, writing on the online news website The Intercept, said the reports by the Sunday Times and BBC were based on the false premise that Snowden kept possession of the files he took from the US National Security Agency"

http://news.yahoo.com/us-journalist-greenwald-rebuts-claim-snowden-files-breached-152128420.html

Greenwald is insisting that if Russia didn't get them directly from Snowden in Russia then they couldn't possibly have them.

Then we have this guy:

As for British intelligence agents being compromised, Ryan Gallagher at The Intercept, who's worked with the Snowden archive for more than a year, wrote on his blog Sunday, "I’ve reviewed the Snowden documents and I’ve never seen anything in there naming active MI6 agents.”

Who apparently has ongoing access to the entire trove of documents among who knows how many others and is insisting that unless specifically named there's no information that could out the agents.

Zero percent chance alright.

 

[Blanky]

You know if nothing else it is really hard now not to call snowmen an accidental hero.

Already we knew he had access to too much information. If this declassification is true he is the equivalent to a canary in a coal mine. The toxic fumes are the clearly terrible security that holds all this ostensibly important information. This is an alarm telling the government its controls are absolutely terrible. Will it listen? Because if it thinks blaming all this on one guy buys a valid excuse I am not buying that.

Here is what snowmen has taught: 1) us gov is getting more information than it should and 2) it is terrible at protecting it.

Snowden is just pointing out the emporer's nakedness.

 

[Thebobo]

Snowden has already been caught in numerous lies. What makes anybody think he's being truthful?

What are those lies?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

What are those lies?

http://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-and-john-oliver-2015-4
I'm wondering how many people that still see Snowden as anything other than a little shit didn't watch the Oliver interview.

 

[BoberFett]

http://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-and-john-oliver-2015-4
I'm wondering how many people that still see Snowden as anything other than a little shit didn't watch the Oliver interview.

I watched it. It didn't change my mind. I'm a hell of a lot more pissed at politicians then this one peon, but for some reason some of you are spending all your time whining about the peon. Easily distracted sheep perhaps?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Politicians get their opportunity for comeuppance at reelection time. This one peon skipped out on his. Hell, he even delegated his "heroism" onto people less technically literate and security-minded than himself to wash his hands of the responsibility of disseminating it.

 

[pcgeek11]

Elected president?

Not even close. I see why you have the Confused Emoticon by your post. If you think Snowden is a hero you are confused.

 

[master_shake_]

Not even close. I see why you have the Confused Emoticon by your post. If you think Snowden is a hero you are confused.

this, the real heroes are snooping through your email, bugging american companies hardware, collecting everyones metadata, using tools to monitor cellphone calls, costing american companies billion and billions of dollars in tech sales http://www.dailydot.com/politics/nsa-prism-fallout-35-billion-us-tech-firms/ etc. etc.

heroes i tell ya!

 

[lxskllr]

People here get told they're being fucked, and instead of removing the dick from their asses, they attack the messenger for jumping the turnstile to tell them :^D

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Oh no, the government might have the same information my isp, teleco, or any number of third party hands it's already passing through. The fact is if they were actively abusing this, they couldn't keep it a secret for very long, and much of the capability was apparent from the language of legislation without the need for the leaks, but our shit-ass media, the same one Snowden seems so confident in, was as complicit as anyone in allowing it to stay under the radar until it became a "story" of a plucky hero fighting the good fight against big government overreach.

 

[master_shake_]

Oh no, the government might have the same information my isp, teleco, or any number of third party hands it's already passing through. The fact is if they were actively abusing this, they couldn't keep it a secret for very long, and much of the capability was apparent from the language of legislation without the need for the leaks, but our shit-ass media, the same one Snowden seems so confident in, was as complicit as anyone in allowing it to stay under the radar until it became a "story" of a plucky hero fighting the good fight against big government overreach.

going to address the article i linked to or are you going to remain blissfully ignorant to the plight of us tech companies?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

going to address the article i linked to or are you going to remain blissfully ignorant to the plight of us tech companies?

Thank our plucky hero for that. What countries are those dollars going to go to now? I'm sure, say, Germany would never spy on on anyone, and their data is much safer in China.