Russia and China decrypt Snowden files

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The Sunday Times reports that Russia and China de-encrypted files stolen by the former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, forcing the UK intelligence service MI6 to pull officers out of live operations in hostile countries.

"Western intelligence agencies say they have been forced into the rescue operations after Moscow gained access to more than [1 million] classified files," The London paper, citing senior UK officials, reports.

A senior UK government source told the BBC that China and Russia "have information" that led to agents being moved, adding there was "no evidence" any officers had been harmed. The source added that the information included "knowledge of how we operate" and had obstructed the UK from getting "vital information."

If the reports are true, then Snowden has some explaining to do — especially given that he has repeatedly said that Russia and China could not have possibly received documents.

Snowden told former US Senator Gordon Humphrey in July 2013 that "no intelligence service - not even our own - has the capacity to compromise the secrets I continue to protect. ... I cannot be coerced into revealing that information, even under torture."

The 31-year-old told James Risen of The New York Times in October 2013 that there was “a zero percent chance the Russians or Chinese have received any documents.”

Risen also reported, citing an encrypted chat with Snowden, that the former CIA technician "gave all of the classified documents he had obtained to journalists he met in Hong Kong." (ACLU lawyer and Snowden legal adviser Ben Wizner subsequently told me that the report was inaccurate.)

Snowden would later tell NBC that he "destroyed" all documents in his possession before he spoke with the Russians in Hong Kong.

"The best way to make sure that for example the Russians can't break my fingers and — and compromise information or — or hit me with a bag of money until I give them something was not to have it at all," he told Brian Williams of NBC in Moscow in May 2014. "And the way to do that was by destroying the material that I was holding before I transited through Russia."

Snowden allegedly stole up to 1.77 million NSA documents while working at two consecutive jobs for US government contractors in Hawaii between March 2012 and May 2013.

The US government believes Snowden gave about 200,000 "tier 1 and 2" documents detailing the NSA's global surveillance apparatus to American journalists Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras in June 2013.

The US also believes that Snowden also took up to 1.5 million "tier 3" documents, including 900,000 Department of Defense files and documents detailing NSA offensive cyber operations, the whereabouts of which are largely unknown.

Snowden flew to Hong Kong on May 20, 2013. After staying at an unknown location, Snowden reportedly checked into the Mira Hotel on June 1 and subsequently met with Poitras, Greenwald, and the Guardian's Ewen MacAskill.

Two days after checking out of the Mira Hotel on June 10, Snowden showed The South China Morning Post (SCMP) an unknown number of documents revealing "operational details of specific [NSA] attacks on [Chinese] computers, including internet protocol (IP) addresses, dates of attacks, and whether a computer was still being monitored remotely."

Snowden told Lana Lam of SCMP that he possessed more NSA intel.

"If I have time to go through this information, I would like to make it available to journalists in each country to make their own assessment, independent of my bias, as to whether or not the knowledge of US network operations against their people should be published."

Eleven days later, advised by WikiLeaks, Snowden got on a plane to Moscow (click graphic for larger version).

'Very poor information security practice'

If the UK government is correct that Russia and China obtained information from files Snowden stole, then it's possible that data came from journalists working with Snowden.

The cache given to Poitras and Greenwald allegedly included 58,000 "highly classified UK intelligence documents," The Telegraph reported in August after the UK government detained David Miranda, Glenn Greenwald's partner, as he traveled through London's Heathrow Airport.

Authorities say they confiscated electronic devices in which classified documents were stored as well as a password.

“Much of the material is encrypted. However, among the unencrypted documents ... was a piece of paper that included the password for decrypting one of the encrypted files on the external hard drive recovered from the claimant," the UK government stated to the court.

“The fact that ... the claimant was carrying on his person a handwritten piece of paper containing the password for one of the encrypted files ... is a sign of very poor information security practice.”

In any case, senior UK officals allege that Moscow gained access to more than 1 million classified files, and the journalists are believed to have received about 200,000. And it's still unclear what happened to the documents not given to journalists.

So if the Sunday Times and BBC reports are accurate, Snowden statement that there was "a zero percent chance the Russians or Chinese have received any documents" requires serious clarification.
http://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-russia-china-and-nsa-files-2015-6

All you guys calling him a hero were right, hopefully this clarifies for which countries.
 
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MongGrel

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The sad of the thing is in my case, it's not really a surprise at all.

If people think shit like that isn't still happening on a daily basis, you're just not really alive these days.

Revoke the Patriot Act ? yeah bullshit, they'll never stop monitoring anything.

If it's in place all ready they'll still use the shit, just you won't see it publicly advertised.

The day the internet shuts down completely is the day anyone will stop doing surveillance.
 
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http://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-russia-china-and-nsa-files-2015-6

All you guys calling him a hero were right, hopefully this clarifies for which countries.

Well this means the Nobel Prize President(TM) was right and we should look in your underwear for terrorists. After all he knows as The Constitutional Scholar (Copyrighted) how to evade that document to protect us by seeking to invalidate court decisions by appealing to FISA as the "correct" court, not the ones the peasants like us use.

It's too bad files were decrypted but the Glorious One who rules us in the White House has done far more damage.

Just passing through this waste land. Howdy yall!
 

Jhhnn

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Well this means the Nobel Prize President(TM) was right and we should look in your underwear for terrorists. After all he knows as The Constitutional Scholar (Copyrighted) how to evade that document to protect us by seeking to invalidate court decisions by appealing to FISA as the "correct" court, not the ones the peasants like us use.

It's too bad files were decrypted but the Glorious One who rules us in the White House has done far more damage.

Just passing through this waste land. Howdy yall!

Still drunk from last night when you woke up this morning?
 

Sonikku

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With the way things are going with America's hilarious focus on big ticket obsolete and wildly impractical jets and tanks over cyber security and defense, pretty soon China will known everything they need about us without any help from Snowden or anybody.
 

LegendKiller

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Lots of hand wavy bullshit, and non existent facts/sources. You shouldn't eat everything that gets put in front of you. Makes you fat and slow ;^)

http://notes.rjgallagher.co.uk/2015/06/sunday-times-snowden-china-russia-questions.html

So pretty much this guy says "I believe Edward Snowden 110%, Russian and Chinese governments 100% and the US government 0%".

And then we believe this guy 100%.

Snowden has already been caught in numerous lies. What makes anybody think he's being truthful?
 

lxskllr

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So pretty much this guy says "I believe Edward Snowden 110%, Russian and Chinese governments 100% and the US government 0%".

And then we believe this guy 100%.

Snowden has already been caught in numerous lies. What makes anybody think he's being truthful?

You don't have to believe, nor should you believe things not backed by data. Snowden doesn't matter; at all. What matters is the documents he released. Allegations were made, and backed by data. Data that contradicted sworn testimony by government officials. The story in the op has zero facts, and zero data, therefore can be dismissed without comment. It doesn't even pass the sniff test for amusing speculation.
 

lxskllr

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Being skeptical is fine, but that's in the deepest end of the kool-aid pool.

Seriously? I don't drink KoolAid. That's shit from the bad old days. Let me guess how they found out "Russia cracked a document cache"...

Vladamir Putin said:
Nya Nya! I cracked your dox yo!

:^D

Do you use Android? If so, here's a fun program that lists the various ways people try to bullshit you, and redirect attention...

https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=logical&fdid=za.co.lukestonehm.logicaldefence

It makes for good idle reading.
 

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In one of Snowden's early interviews, he stated that he took all the information necessary to unveal the domestic surveillance, plus some extra information to ensure his safe passage. He later changed his story about the "extra information", but it was originally his defense against the US government saying it took nearly 2 million documents.

Honestly, it seems like he planned from day 1 to sell valuable intel to the Chinese to ensure safe passage. I think his ending up in Russia was just him not being as good at the spy game as he thought he was, he probably expected to live safely in Hong Kong for the rest of his life, a modern 1st world city.
 

rudder

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With the way things are going with America's hilarious focus on big ticket obsolete and wildly impractical jets and tanks over cyber security and defense, pretty soon China will known everything they need about us without any help from Snowden or anybody.

China was well entrenched in our shit before Snowden.

http://www.computerworld.com/articl...rcher-follows-rsa-hacking-trail-to-china.html

http://www.dailytech.com/Reports+Ha...tion+to+Hack+Lockheed+Martin/article21757.htm

Of course the obama administration is so focused on global warming and making sure neighborhoods are diverse that they have not really had enough time to do anything about the situation.
 

trenchfoot

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And the world of spying and espionage is, was and always will be the art of deception. That Snowden ratted out the US gov't is, IMO, just as believable that Snowden was given reams of data that is meant to misdirect and deceive our adversaries in ways that are advantageous to us.

Who really knows how many layers of deception, moves and counter-moves are involved in this game our gov't plays with other gov'ts in regards to maintaining our national security?
 

NTMBK

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Maybe if he hadn't been chased out of the country, and if Russia wasn't the only country willing to offer him asylum, maybe it wouldn't have ended up in the Russians' hands.

He's a damn hero, and it's shameful how he has been treated. If I had my way I'd hand him a British passport.
 

PokerGuy

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I don't see a whole lot of evidence to support the story. Lots of allegations etc, but no concrete evidence to back it up. Is it part of the continued campaign to try and discredit Snowden, or is it real? Who knows at this point?
 

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Maybe if he hadn't been chased out of the country, and if Russia wasn't the only country willing to offer him asylum, maybe it wouldn't have ended up in the Russians' hands.

He's a damn hero, and it's shameful how he has been treated. If I had my way I'd hand him a British passport.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35856945&postcount=29
If Snowden had stopped at releasing information about how the NSA was spying on Americans, then sure, bring him home, label him a hero.

He didn't stop there. He released information about how we were spying on other nations, even spying on diplomats and foreign "friends" of the United States. While we may not think that it's okay for this spying to have taken place, releasing this information IS why he's a traitor to the U.S.


Return him to the U.S., try him, and hang him.
 

Genx87

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I don't see a whole lot of evidence to support the story. Lots of allegations etc, but no concrete evidence to back it up. Is it part of the continued campaign to try and discredit Snowden, or is it real? Who knows at this point?

As is common with our govt and accusations.

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