Rush Limbaugh thinks McCain's bill is........

[13Gigatons]

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/...content/america_s_anchorman.guest.html

They have to try to cover that up and make it sound like this country, this administration, is spying on you. You're the enemy. Then we got McCain's idiotic, foolish, stupid, dangerous torture bill to deal with, and that will be on the news all weekend long. I'm telling you, folks, this is getting serious. It's not just so much that the left imploding, which is a sure sign of what this is, but the bottom line is this is an all-out effort to tie our hands in dealing with this enemy. It is exactly what this is. I read this last night and I saw it being blurbed all over everywhere and I said, "Ah, jeez! Would people read the story. Stop just reading the headlines and read the story!" (interruption). Well, I know your pot (interruption). Did your pot boil when you (interruption). Livid at what, though? Snerdley's (interruption). Well, I'm going to get to that in a second.

I for one think McCains bill makes perfect sense it's just sad we actually need it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/...content/america_s_anchorman.guest.html

They have to try to cover that up and make it sound like this country, this administration, is spying on you. You're the enemy. Then we got McCain's idiotic, foolish, stupid, dangerous torture bill to deal with, and that will be on the news all weekend long. I'm telling you, folks, this is getting serious. It's not just so much that the left imploding, which is a sure sign of what this is, but the bottom line is this is an all-out effort to tie our hands in dealing with this enemy. It is exactly what this is. I read this last night and I saw it being blurbed all over everywhere and I said, "Ah, jeez! Would people read the story. Stop just reading the headlines and read the story!" (interruption). Well, I know your pot (interruption). Did your pot boil when you (interruption). Livid at what, though? Snerdley's (interruption). Well, I'm going to get to that in a second.

I for one think McCains bill makes perfect sense it's just sad we actually need it.

And that Bloated Oxycotined Addled Gas Bags outrage over it just confirms it's a good bill!

 

[Lemon law]

In terms of the topic of the post-------its kinda a non-starter------examine the words.

You have Rush Linbaugh----------next to thinks.

Giant contadiction in terms.

Sometimes I do listen to Rush-------its an experience I cannot recommend. Inside of a few short minutes I find so
many flaws in that man's logic and reasoning that I am reduced to tears. I can listen respectfully to anyone who makes a well reasoned arguement. I may disagree but I can still respect logic and the logical steps taken to reach a conclusion. I can't respect lousy logic and shouting down all opposing views.
Then when Rush got caught up in that drug scandal he takes a position that would make the ACLU blush.--------if he feels any pain over anything, he feels ill used. During Huricaine Rita the poor man was bitching he had to use deisel generators to
get power to his Florida mansion----yet can feel zero empathy with anyone being physically tortured.

Hypocracy thy name is Limbaugh.

 

[OrByte]

hehe what a dumb drug user.

 

[Strk]

Isn't it pathetic how these people [Bush cheerleaders] continually push for the use of torture, even though every bit of information from professional interrogators says you shouldn't because is extremely unreliable (i.e. doesn't work) and there are better ways to interrogate people?

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe Rush should be waterboarded to reveal the nature and sources of his prescriptions and drugs- might just give him a change of perspective...

His version of rightwing thought poison has damaged the fabric of America more than terrorists will ever even dream of achieving.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Maybe Rush should be waterboarded to reveal the nature and sources of his prescriptions and drugs- might just give him a change of perspective...

His version of rightwing thought poison has damaged the fabric of America more than terrorists will ever even dream of achieving.

QFT

 

[DealMonkey]

Wow, every word out of his mouth is crap:

"They have to try to cover that up and make it sound like this country, this administration, is spying on you. (This country IS spying on you. Go check out the NSA thread if there's any doubt in your mind!) You're the enemy. Then we got McCain's idiotic, foolish, stupid, dangerous torture bill to deal with, and that will be on the news all weekend long. (Excuse me, but what's so stupid about legislation that says this country does not torture? Unless of course, you're a torturing PoS?) I'm telling you, folks, this is getting serious. It's not just so much that the left imploding, which is a sure sign of what this is, but the bottom line is this is an all-out effort to tie our hands in dealing with this enemy. It is exactly what this is. I read this last night and I saw it being blurbed all over everywhere and I said, "Ah, jeez! Would people read the story. Stop just reading the headlines and read the story!" (interruption). Well, I know your pot (interruption). Did your pot boil when you (interruption). Livid at what, though? Snerdley's (interruption). Well, I'm going to get to that in a second. (Classic, incoherent wingnut ranting and raving. I'm half-surprised he doesn't short out his golden mike with all the spittle spewing!)'"

 

[Harvey]

Rush is just one more idiot mouthpiece, like Bill O'Reilly and more, who spew this crap... as long as it doesn't apply to them. :roll:

As the revelations about NSA spying on American citizens show, the saddest news is, the Bushwhacko administration is full people who believe this same garbage and are acting on it with or without any legal authority to do so. :|

 

[Rainsford]

Just more proof that the far right is going to get as marginalize as the far left in this country. They had a brief period where it seemed like they were on top of the world, but now the mainstream is starting to realize how bad they really are. This "anti-torture" stuff isn't a lefty issue, it has major support in Congress and even the Bush Whitehouse is signing off on it. Don't look now Rush, but it's just you and the other loonies left.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Strk
Isn't it pathetic how these people [Bush cheerleaders] continually push for the use of torture, even though every bit of information from professional interrogators says you shouldn't because is extremely unreliable (i.e. doesn't work) and there are better ways to interrogate people?

That's interesting, because unless you think Bush goes down and starts sticking knives into people himself, its probably professional interrogators doing the torturing.

Looks like all the liberals here like to tell professional interrogators how to do their job.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/...content/america_s_anchorman.guest.html

They have to try to cover that up and make it sound like this country, this administration, is spying on you. You're the enemy. Then we got McCain's idiotic, foolish, stupid, dangerous torture bill to deal with, and that will be on the news all weekend long. I'm telling you, folks, this is getting serious. It's not just so much that the left imploding, which is a sure sign of what this is, but the bottom line is this is an all-out effort to tie our hands in dealing with this enemy. It is exactly what this is. I read this last night and I saw it being blurbed all over everywhere and I said, "Ah, jeez! Would people read the story. Stop just reading the headlines and read the story!" (interruption). Well, I know your pot (interruption). Did your pot boil when you (interruption). Livid at what, though? Snerdley's (interruption). Well, I'm going to get to that in a second.

I for one think McCains bill makes perfect sense it's just sad we actually need it.

You're listening to a fat white man on prescription pills. Move on...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Strk
Isn't it pathetic how these people [Bush cheerleaders] continually push for the use of torture, even though every bit of information from professional interrogators says you shouldn't because is extremely unreliable (i.e. doesn't work) and there are better ways to interrogate people?

That's interesting, because unless you think Bush goes down and starts sticking knives into people himself, its probably professional interrogators doing the torturing.

Looks like all the liberals here like to tell professional interrogators how to do their job.

What? Those interrogators don't just decide on their own how to do their jobs, they are almost certainly given orders from above. And if what Strk said is right, they disagree with those orders. As you put it, they are doing the torturing, shouldn't we listen to them about how effective it is?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
What? Those interrogators don't just decide on their own how to do their jobs, they are almost certainly given orders from above. And if what Strk said is right, they disagree with those orders. As you put it, they are doing the torturing, shouldn't we listen to them about how effective it is?

I fully agree with the bolded. So if the people at Guantanemo want to use new techniques why are you trying to stop them? According to newsweek, they went to Rumsfeld, not the other way around.

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t has never been clearly established if their methods worked to sweat useful information out of Zubaydah. But a precedent had been established, and interrogators creatively made the most of it. Toward the end of 2002, there was a spike in intelligence suggesting that Al Qaeda was preparing another major attack. The CIA had in custody Mohammad al-Qatani, the so-called 20th hijacker who had been refused entry to the United States before 9/11. But al-Qatani, trained in resistance (one method is to memorize and recite the Qur'an over and over), was not responding to the usual interrogation techniques.
So his handlers at Guantanamo Bay obtained permission from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to try new techniques.


As shown by this thread, you, more than anyone else, seem to take it upon yourself to tell them how to do thier job.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford
What? Those interrogators don't just decide on their own how to do their jobs, they are almost certainly given orders from above. And if what Strk said is right, they disagree with those orders. As you put it, they are doing the torturing, shouldn't we listen to them about how effective it is?

I fully agree with the bolded. So if the people at Guantanemo want to use new techniques why are you trying to stop them? According to newsweek, they went to Rumsfeld, not the other way around.

Text

t has never been clearly established if their methods worked to sweat useful information out of Zubaydah. But a precedent had been established, and interrogators creatively made the most of it. Toward the end of 2002, there was a spike in intelligence suggesting that Al Qaeda was preparing another major attack. The CIA had in custody Mohammad al-Qatani, the so-called 20th hijacker who had been refused entry to the United States before 9/11. But al-Qatani, trained in resistance (one method is to memorize and recite the Qur'an over and over), was not responding to the usual interrogation techniques.
So his handlers at Guantanamo Bay obtained permission from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to try new techniques.


As shown by this thread, you, more than anyone else, seem to take it upon yourself to tell them how to do thier job.

Well I think there is more to the debate than how effective it is, it could be both an effective means of interrogation and still a bad idea. The article cites a good reason, military brass is concerned about torturing prisoners because they are afraid it will give more "justification" for bad treatment of American POWs in this or future conflicts. And there are other reasons as well, the point is that the effectivness, while an important part of the debate, is not the only part.

But even when talking about effectivness, the article was not very clear about it. It said that interrogators wanted to try "torture lite" techniques, but I didn't see very much to suggest those techniques had been successful. And other experts have suggested torture is not useful, and there are not very many experts on the other side defending the practice.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: zendari
...
As shown by this thread, you, more than anyone else, seem to take it upon yourself to tell them how to do thier job.

As for my response in that thread, if you read (and understood) my posts, you could notice that I'm suggesting they listen to the law of unintended consequences. They are in a much worse position to see that than someone who is detached and looking at the bigger picture. Their job is to interrogate people, but does that involve understanding how extreme methods might be a bad idea in the larger picture?

And in any case, this is the internet, you don't know what I do or who I am, are you so sure I don't know enough to weigh in on the debate?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Strk
Isn't it pathetic how these people [Bush cheerleaders] continually push for the use of torture, even though every bit of information from professional interrogators says you shouldn't because is extremely unreliable (i.e. doesn't work) and there are better ways to interrogate people?

That's interesting, because unless you think Bush goes down and starts sticking knives into people himself, its probably professional interrogators doing the torturing.

Looks like all the liberals here like to tell professional interrogators how to do their job.

We (or rather, Americans) *should* be telling them how to do their job; you tell them what is acceptable; they choose the most effective acceptable method. It's quite simple.

 

[her209]

If we condone and committ torture, then are we no better than Saddam?

 

[Meuge]

Frankly, I am starting to wish someone'd torture him.

 

[Jhhnn]

"We (or rather, Americans) *should* be telling them how to do their job; you tell them what is acceptable; they choose the most effective acceptable method. It's quite simple."

Amen.

Adopting the means of tyranny will yield only the ends of tyranny. To claim otherwise is to enter a fools' paradise...

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Strk
Isn't it pathetic how these people [Bush cheerleaders] continually push for the use of torture, even though every bit of information from professional interrogators says you shouldn't because is extremely unreliable (i.e. doesn't work) and there are better ways to interrogate people?

That's interesting, because unless you think Bush goes down and starts sticking knives into people himself, its probably professional interrogators doing the torturing.

Looks like all the liberals here like to tell professional interrogators how to do their job.

We (or rather, Americans) *should* be telling them how to do their job; you tell them what is acceptable; they choose the most effective acceptable method. It's quite simple.

Liberals were rather upset when Colin Powell's aide did something similar.

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Our way or the highway!

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari
...
As shown by this thread, you, more than anyone else, seem to take it upon yourself to tell them how to do thier job.

As for my response in that thread, if you read (and understood) my posts, you could notice that I'm suggesting they listen to the law of unintended consequences. They are in a much worse position to see that than someone who is detached and looking at the bigger picture. Their job is to interrogate people, but does that involve understanding how extreme methods might be a bad idea in the larger picture?

And in any case, this is the internet, you don't know what I do or who I am, are you so sure I don't know enough to weigh in on the debate?

You don't think professional interrogators understand the larger picture?


As for the interrogation techniques, from the previous link:
"At congressional hearings last July, Southern Command's Gen. Bantz Craddock testified that as a result of the use of some of these techniques, the formerly defiant al-Qatani had "provided insights" into Al Qaeda's planning for 9/11"

So it looks like they got something. We should stop typing their hands in beurocratic bull and let them properly do their jobs. :thumbsup:

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: her209
If we condone and committ torture, then are we no better than Saddam?

I'd say no, but if you ask the true-believers(tm), its ok because we're American, and American torture is GOOD!

 

[sandorski]

If Torture works, then I'd think Genocide works too! Wouldn't it be Stupid and Dangerous not to use Genocide?

 

[Moonbeam]

It would be worth listening to Rush to see who advertizes his show and boycotting their products with a letter to them stating your reasons, that only one piece of ****** would support another.