Rush Limbaugh Cannot Defend Ronald Reagan

[werepossum]

Please explain how the stuff was taken out of context. Iran-Contra, for example, was a central doctrine of Reagan's term-something he should have been impeached for (but for Ollie North et al sheltering him). Cut and run-how else can you describe Reagan's decision after the Beruit barracks bombing-and Reagan's decision there has and will give motivation to Islamic terrorists for genereations to come.

I understand that Reagan the Myth has become an idol to many conservatives, but it is more for what he said than what he did. He was a mediocre to terrible President who happened to be in office when decades of the Cold War came to fruition-and without the clear head of Gorbachev we almost certainly would have had a horrendous final shooting war. Even after the collapse of the USSR he managed to drop the ball, choosing to take the honors rather than undertake a reconstruction of Russia-something that could and would have made us far more powerful today.

LOL Always count on the left to hate Reagan and praise Gorbachev. You guys ought to hate Gorbie, he let Communism fall under his watch. Instead you have a collective Gorbasm every time you recollect his delicately mottled little head. Strange! I mean, I understand why you hate Reagan, he defined modern conservatism which stands in the way of fully empowering government. I just don't understand why you so love Gorbie. Or is it just the left's love for losers generally?

 

[Jhhnn]

LOL Always count on the left to hate Reagan and praise Gorbachev. You guys ought to hate Gorbie, he let Communism fall under his watch. Instead you have a collective Gorbasm every time you recollect his delicately mottled little head. Strange! I mean, I understand why you hate Reagan, he defined modern conservatism which stands in the way of fully empowering government. I just don't understand why you so love Gorbie. Or is it just the left's love for losers generally?

Another Strawman!

And empty self serving platitudes!

The circle is complete- the circle of denial.

 

[Tab]

Even Rush is smart enough to realize that Reagen was a awful president.

 

[werepossum]

Another Strawman!

And empty self serving platitudes!

The circle is complete- the circle of denial.

Strawmen! Always strawmen! They're everywhere!

 

[Tab]

LOL Always count on the left to hate Reagan and praise Gorbachev. You guys ought to hate Gorbie, he let Communism fall under his watch. Instead you have a collective Gorbasm every time you recollect his delicately mottled little head. Strange! I mean, I understand why you hate Reagan, he defined modern conservatism which stands in the way of fully empowering government. I just don't understand why you so love Gorbie. Or is it just the left's love for losers generally?

Expect, he didn't praise Gorbachev. At all.

 

[werepossum]

Expect, he didn't praise Gorbachev. At all.

WTF?

Please explain how the stuff was taken out of context. Iran-Contra, for example, was a central doctrine of Reagan's term-something he should have been impeached for (but for Ollie North et al sheltering him). Cut and run-how else can you describe Reagan's decision after the Beruit barracks bombing-and Reagan's decision there has and will give motivation to Islamic terrorists for genereations to come.

I understand that Reagan the Myth has become an idol to many conservatives, but it is more for what he said than what he did. He was a mediocre to terrible President who happened to be in office when decades of the Cold War came to fruition-and without the clear head of Gorbachev we almost certainly would have had a horrendous final shooting war. Even after the collapse of the USSR he managed to drop the ball, choosing to take the honors rather than undertake a reconstruction of Russia-something that could and would have made us far more powerful today.

Thump credited the "clear head of Gorbachev" with single-handedly saving the world from a Reagan-initiated World War. That's not praise?

Reading comprehension - it's not just for conservatives any more.

Nah, I'm just joking with you. Reading comprehension is still just for conservatives. You guys have your feelings to go by, you can ignore the hard stuff like, you know, sentences and stuff.

 

[Tab]

So, Gorbachev was level-headed unlike his US counter-part and he mentioned that was cool?

OH GOD THE HORROR HE'S PRAISING HIM OH SHIT OH GOD

 

[Steeplerot]

You guys ought to hate Gorbie, he let Communism fall under his watch. Instead you have a collective Gorbasm every time you recollect his delicately mottled little head. Strange!

Not very strange, if you use your common sense that liberals are NOT about the strawmen talk radio feeds you dupes.

Anyone can be simple minded like this:
All conservatives are fascist goosetepping hicks who hump their sisters and smoke meth all day on welfare doing lame -assed drugs like pills while listening to rush all day. I read it on a partisan internet site or on the radio about conservatives over and over, so it must be true! You are a idiot Were.

This is sad, (the USA becoming Balkanized by talk radio?) but when my Serbian/Bosnian friends go nuts on each other for old made up crap and start accusing one another of dumb shit I point them at this. Quit the drama queen hating, people all have the same basic needs and fears, we just have different ideas of liberty, the step is finding the common ground. It is what makes this country succeed this long. o0o0o0m o0o0o0o0om 0o0o0om

 

[Jhhnn]

Strawmen! Always strawmen! They're everywhere!

Coming from raving wing nuts, "What Liberals Believe" is always a strawman, a construct, a way to get snug & smug in wraparound denial.

Ronnie never was what the idolators thought he was at the time, and the image projection from the Right today has even less to do with the truth.

His famous words, "I don't recall" pretty much covers the way modern conservatives view his Administration. All they remember is how well he convinced 'em at the time. He was, first and foremost, an Actor, a charlatan of the highest order, and they still think he was real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals

The S&L scandal was just a warmup for the biggest financial looting spree of all time, the housing bubble, which is the defining moment of "Modern Conservatism" in all its glory.

 

[Phokus]

The guy took a bunch of stuff out of context and added it together to try to make an argument.

Using that guys logic then Obama is a tax cuter, a warmonger who supports attacks against allied countries like Pakistan, and is against human rights by keeping Gitmo open etc etc.

Enlighten us as to what he took out of context. Regan raised taxes multiple times.

BTW, this is the legislation Regan signed that increased social security taxes:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/08/news/economy/reagan_years_taxes/index.htm

"Reagan was certainly a tax cutter legislatively, emotionally and ideologically. But for a variety of political reasons, it was hard for him to ignore the cost of his tax cuts," said tax historian Joseph Thorndike.

Two bills passed in 1982 and 1984 together "constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime," Thorndike said.


In 1983, for example, he signed off on Social Security reform legislation that, among other things, accelerated an increase in the payroll tax rate, required that higher-income beneficiaries pay income tax on part of their benefits, and required the self-employed to pay the full payroll tax rate, rather than just the portion normally paid by employees.

The tax reform of 1986, meanwhile, wasn't designed to increase federal tax revenue. But that didn't mean that no one's taxes went up. Because the reform bill eliminated or reduced many tax breaks and shelters, high-income tax filers who previously paid little ended up with bigger tax bills.

"Some of these taxpayers were substantial contributors to the Republican Party and to the president's re-election campaign, and had direct access to the White House. Reagan rebuffed their pleas," wrote J. Roger Mentz, the Treasury assistant secretary for tax policy in 1986, in a Tax Notes commentary last year.

All told, the tax increases Reagan approved ended up canceling out much of the reduction in tax revenue that resulted from his 1981 legislation.

Annual federal tax receipts during his presidency averaged 18.2% of GDP, a smidge below the average under President Carter -- and a smidge above the 40-year average today.

It's funny, but Rush kept on saying 'you wouldn't understand'. Yes, for any rational, logical person, we wouldn't.

 

[Phokus]

In fact, Reagan apparently raised taxes 11 times

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/04/133489113/Reagan-Legacy-Clouds-Tax-Record

Former Senator ALAN SIMPSON (Republican, Wyoming): Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration. I was here. I was here. I knew him. Better than anybody in this room. He was a dear friend and a total realist as to politics.

 

[Phokus]

Also, conservatives who thought that either Bush or Reagan were good presidents have absolutely no right to talk about the deficit. Reagan tripled the deficit during his term, and with Bush, well, you already know what happened with him.

As Cheney said, 'deficits don't matter'.

 

[Steeplerot]

LOL Always count on the left to hate Reagan and praise Gorbachev.

I see both as being counterproductive to democracy. Wrong again.

 

[dmcowen674]

Even Rush is smart enough to realize that Reagen was a awful president.

I would never put smart and Rush in the same sentence.

 

[Tab]

I would never put smart and Rush in the same sentence.

Sigh... Dave...

 

[Thump553]

LOL Always count on the left to hate Reagan and praise Gorbachev. You guys ought to hate Gorbie, he let Communism fall under his watch. Instead you have a collective Gorbasm every time you recollect his delicately mottled little head. Strange! I mean, I understand why you hate Reagan, he defined modern conservatism which stands in the way of fully empowering government. I just don't understand why you so love Gorbie. Or is it just the left's love for losers generally?

You are correct-I did praise Gorachev for the actions he took and regret that he has essentially been thrown on the ash heap of history. But you are dead wrong when you assume us "lefties" love communiism. Communism, as far as I'm concerned, is yet one more failed authoritarian method of rule and I always despised it. But keep the blinders on and continue your worship of the mighty 20 mule team spokesman (Reagan's last good job performance as far as I'm concerned).

 

[sunzt]

Palin is selling herself as the new reagan for 2012. Is this an attempt by Rush to bring her down for the primaries?

 

[hal2kilo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhR2VnVma0


You just have to love this: "I want to know why an amnesty-giving, tax-raising, cut-and-running, negotiating-with-terrorists kind of guy is a hero to the conservative movement."

Rush has no answer other than to blame Media Matters and suggest that liberals "just wouldn't understand." Predictably, he turns it into proof that liberals just need to be destroyed:

So you, sir, a nice individual, I'm sure you're a fine guy (probably not too much fun at a ball game, unlike Bill Clinton), but still, you illustrate that people like you just have to be defeated, not met halfway and gotten along with. I mean politically.

How sad, I despise Reagan but could have defended him 10x better then that.

You can almost hear him snap..just for a moment and start being on the real instead of pretending to believe his dittohead talking points. Maybe.

Wel you know facts are librul.