Rush Limbaugh Cannot Defend Ronald Reagan

[Steeplerot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhR2VnVma0


You just have to love this: "I want to know why an amnesty-giving, tax-raising, cut-and-running, negotiating-with-terrorists kind of guy is a hero to the conservative movement."

Rush has no answer other than to blame Media Matters and suggest that liberals "just wouldn't understand." Predictably, he turns it into proof that liberals just need to be destroyed:

So you, sir, a nice individual, I'm sure you're a fine guy (probably not too much fun at a ball game, unlike Bill Clinton), but still, you illustrate that people like you just have to be defeated, not met halfway and gotten along with. I mean politically.

How sad, I despise Reagan but could have defended him 10x better then that.

You can almost hear him snap..just for a moment and start being on the real instead of pretending to believe his dittohead talking points. Maybe.

 

[bamacre]

Limbaugh and Reagan, two people only radical righties and lefties care about.

 

[Steeplerot]

Limbaugh and Reagan, two people only radical righties and lefties care about.

Limbaugh dominates this forums underlying debate every day. Reagan is a rather popular US president. You may not be old enough.

 

[ProfJohn]

The guy took a bunch of stuff out of context and added it together to try to make an argument.

Using that guys logic then Obama is a tax cuter, a warmonger who supports attacks against allied countries like Pakistan, and is against human rights by keeping Gitmo open etc etc.

 

[Steeplerot]

The guy took a bunch of stuff out of context and added it together to try to make an argument.

Using that guys logic then Obama is a tax cuter, a warmonger who supports attacks against allied countries like Pakistan, and is against human rights by keeping Gitmo open etc etc.

Same distraction, Obama baaaad! and then lame false equivalence.

Thanks for playing, obviously you also are neutered without marching orders from limpy.

 

[Thump553]

The guy took a bunch of stuff out of context and added it together to try to make an argument.

Using that guys logic then Obama is a tax cuter, a warmonger who supports attacks against allied countries like Pakistan, and is against human rights by keeping Gitmo open etc etc.

Please explain how the stuff was taken out of context. Iran-Contra, for example, was a central doctrine of Reagan's term-something he should have been impeached for (but for Ollie North et al sheltering him). Cut and run-how else can you describe Reagan's decision after the Beruit barracks bombing-and Reagan's decision there has and will give motivation to Islamic terrorists for genereations to come.

I understand that Reagan the Myth has become an idol to many conservatives, but it is more for what he said than what he did. He was a mediocre to terrible President who happened to be in office when decades of the Cold War came to fruition-and without the clear head of Gorbachev we almost certainly would have had a horrendous final shooting war. Even after the collapse of the USSR he managed to drop the ball, choosing to take the honors rather than undertake a reconstruction of Russia-something that could and would have made us far more powerful today.

 

[Zebo]

Income tax 70% to 28%
Capital gains 48% to 20%
Any questions?

 

[Moonbeam]

The guy took a bunch of stuff out of context and added it together to try to make an argument.

Using that guys logic then Obama is a tax cuter, a warmonger who supports attacks against allied countries like Pakistan, and is against human rights by keeping Gitmo open etc etc.

I figured there had to be a reason you'd see this kind of logic in others:

"You blind idiot, you never come up with anything even remotely considered even handed if they were right leaning and making the same type of comments. You partisan hacks only go the "oh but everyone does it when their in a group", or "Well those are just the fringe" when it's left making the blunders, but if they were right, you'd be up their ass calling everyone even remotely right the devil and calling for their deaths."

You were talking about yourself.

 

[Steeplerot]

The part where he loses it because a liberal has nothing to do with what he states liberals are about is funny. You can hear him try to change gears to reality. He just utterly fails and starts blaming the evil media.

How could he debate a liberal when he himself has created this fake world of liberals who are about taxes, big government etc. Problem with conservative criticism of liberalism is that just cannot accept a fact based reality that does not conform to their worldview, it frightens them. They can only project their own shit and call false relevance as their positions exist only in the bubble of rw media. Ask a real question and the bubble pops, and like here, the emperor has no clothes. -and its not pretty.

He is right, you cannot debate with facts, you must destroy them, and he should know. He has been made a 20+ year career out of making shit up about Reagan/conservatism and projecting all the ills of the world on liberals with both barrels, facts be damned.

If all else fails and you cannot distract the flock from reality then dazzle them with bullshit, if that fails keep repeating it. If that fails say the other side is worse or just as bad if the situation is desperate.
People have had Rush's number for a long time.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If all else fails and you cannot distract the flock from reality then dazzle them with bullshit, if that fails keep repeating it. If that fails say the other side is worse or just as bad if the situation is desperate.

I thought the left had the patent on this technique?

 

[Steeplerot]

I thought the left had the patent on this technique?

There you go again!

 

[Londo_Jowo]

There you go again!

I don't waste my time listening to either Rush, Hannity, or Beck. I just find it funny that your statement describes the techniques used by pundits on the left.

Wasn't it Clinton or was it Carville that said "Deny, Deny, Deny!"

 

[Steeplerot]

Wasn't it Clinton or was it Carville that said "Deny, Deny, Deny!"

Wow, and yet you keep on proving my point.

 

[CallMeJoe]

"Ronaldus Magnus" - how does Rush manage to say that without LOL?

 

[soundforbjt]

I don't waste my time listening to either Rush, Hannity, or Beck. I just find it funny that your statement describes the techniques used by pundits on the left.

Wasn't it Clinton or was it Carville that said "Deny, Deny, Deny!"

I thought it was Rove. IIRC, he said,"attack, attack, attack, then deny, deny, deny."

 

[Anarchist420]

Income tax 70% to 28%
Capital gains 48% to 20%
Any questions?

Bottom marginal rate rose from 11% to 15%.
Increased FICA percentage AND cap.
Bracket creep
Corporate tax increase.
No Tariffs to 45-100% plus quotas
Plus all the interest the tax payer had to pay for.

The sad thing is that reagan had record deficits despite raising taxes.

 

[dmcowen674]

Rush has no answer other than to blame Media Matters and suggest that liberals "just wouldn't understand." Predictably, he turns it into proof that liberals just need to be destroyed:

So you, sir, a nice individual, I'm sure you're a fine guy (probably not too much fun at a ball game, unlike Bill Clinton), but still, you illustrate that people like you just have to be defeated, not met halfway and gotten along with. I mean politically.

How sad, I despise Reagan but could have defended him 10x better then that.

You can almost hear him snap..just for a moment and start being on the real instead of pretending to believe his dittohead talking points. Maybe.

Rush and Mark Levin talking vitriol word for word the same thing.

 

[Jhhnn]

The guy took a bunch of stuff out of context and added it together to try to make an argument.

Using that guys logic then Obama is a tax cuter, a warmonger who supports attacks against allied countries like Pakistan, and is against human rights by keeping Gitmo open etc etc.

Yeh, Riiight.... Rushbo shows his undying ignorance wrt SS and the rest of it, too.

Reagan isn't worshipped for what he actually did, but on the basis of the myth that's been built around his persona. He managed to divorce reality and perception during his presidency, and that divergence has only grown over the years. He's now a myth, a legend, a rhetorical construct, so he can be anything the Right wants him to be, rather than real-

http://www.buzzflash.com/anderson/04/06/and04025.html

 

[ProfJohn]

The best argument to refute this non-sense is the one Rush used in that clip.

If Reagan really did everything that the caller claimed he did then the self proclaimed liberal should be a big fan of Reagan.

The fact that the hard core left hates Reagan sums it up pretty well.

 

[Red Dawn]

Him having America run from Lebanon with it's tail between it's legs was the only thing he could do, especially after so stupidly putting those Marines in harms way without any means of defending themselves. But he made up for that shameful incident but bravely and heroically invading Grenada and ousting a hand full of armed Cuban Engineers.

Then there's him making a deal with Iran for them to hold on to the hostages until after he was elected and repaying them by covertly shipping them arms. Well like El Rushbo stated, nobody is perfect.

He did defeat communism in the Western Hemisphere by supporting the Contras who basically were those who were aligned with our great friend and defender of freedom, Somoza..wait, we didn't defeat them. In fact they were elected into office a few times since then...Hmmm.

 

[Steeplerot]

self proclaimed liberal

The root of your problem is that conservatives knowledge of liberals is as much bullshit as their knowledge of Reagan, or even history for example when you scratch the surface.

 

[boomerang]

Can't wait for the Reagan birthday thread tomorrow. I imagine Xanax sales will go up.

 

[Steeplerot]

Can't wait for the Reagan birthday thread tomorrow. I imagine Xanax sales will go up.

You did get the invite to Rush's party tomorrow then? Don't forget the underage strippers this time. I got a hookup on the Cuban cigars from a "secret" connection. :thumbsup:

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I thought it was Rove. IIRC, he said,"attack, attack, attack, then deny, deny, deny."

I believe you may be right. Then he brought the same ole dance to Bush.

 

[Jhhnn]

The best argument to refute this non-sense is the one Rush used in that clip.

If Reagan really did everything that the caller claimed he did then the self proclaimed liberal should be a big fan of Reagan.

The fact that the hard core left hates Reagan sums it up pretty well.

Nice bit of false attribution in the creation of a strawman!

Classic Rushbo.