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Crimson

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's just too bad that Rush is such a pompous blowhard hypocrite -- otherwise, I might actually feel sorry for him.

Which is exactly whats morally wrong with you lefties on this bulletin board. You can't separate your hatred of conservatives with whats right or wrong.. If its wrong for a liberal to be treated one way, its wrong for a conservative to be treated that way.

Thank you for pointing out you cannot get past your hatred..
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's just too bad that Rush is such a pompous blowhard hypocrite -- otherwise, I might actually feel sorry for him.

Which is exactly whats morally wrong with you lefties on this bulletin board. You can't separate your hatred of conservatives with whats right or wrong.. If its wrong for a liberal to be treated one way, its wrong for a conservative to be treated that way.

Thank you for pointing out you cannot get past your hatred..

And the same thing goes for you and Muslims.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: sandorski
Another vote for "Not a Legal problem, but a Medical problem"

That said, I propose that any changes to the current Laws be delayed until Rush has erved his time! :D

I agree in the abstract, but this is a guy who's specifically argued that affluent, white drug offenders shouldn't be above the law, and that all drug users should be deported. It wouldn't bother me to see him get hammered.

First of all, he has not been charged with a crime.. So, all these arguments that 'he shouldn't be above the law' and 'he should serve his time' are complete garbage.. HE HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME.

His medical records were siezed.. MONTHS ago.. And there is absolutely no indication that any charges are going to be filed against him. So it seems to me like they are siezing records to try to FIND something to charge him with, instead of trying to get proof for something they already have on him.

Besides, I think its extremely revealing that you admit you cannot put your opinion of his political opinions aside when determining right and wrong. Either the way he is being treated is RIGHT, or its WRONG.. his poltical views have absolutely nothing to do with it. Its no wonder people have such a negative view of lawyers.. if you, as a lawyer, cannot put side partisanship when determining whats right and wrong.. I think you may need to seek a change in profession.

Honestly DonVito, if you were charged with something unjustly.. my opinions of you would have no bearing on whether I thought you should be charged or not. I am honestly surprised to see you post something so shallow..
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: sandorski
Another vote for "Not a Legal problem, but a Medical problem"

That said, I propose that any changes to the current Laws be delayed until Rush has erved his time! :D

I agree in the abstract, but this is a guy who's specifically argued that affluent, white drug offenders shouldn't be above the law, and that all drug users should be deported. It wouldn't bother me to see him get hammered.

First of all, he has not been charged with a crime.. So, all these arguments that 'he shouldn't be above the law' and 'he should serve his time' are complete garbage.. HE HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME.

His medical records were siezed.. MONTHS ago.. And there is absolutely no indication that any charges are going to be filed against him. So it seems to me like they are siezing records to try to FIND something to charge him with, instead of trying to get proof for something they already have on him.

Besides, I think its extremely revealing that you admit you cannot put your opinion of his political opinions aside when determining right and wrong. Either the way he is being treated is RIGHT, or its WRONG.. his poltical views have absolutely nothing to do with it. Its no wonder people have such a negative view of lawyers.. if you, as a lawyer, cannot put side partisanship when determining whats right and wrong.. I think you may need to seek a change in profession.

Honestly DonVito, if you were charged with something unjustly.. my opinions of you would have no bearing on whether I thought you should be charged or not. I am honestly surprised to see you post something so shallow..

Jeepers, come on, I was very sympathetic and I'm a liberal>>>
 

dahunan

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Was he or was he not a Hillbilly HEROIN ADDICT?


AND.. his ass would already be in jail if he lived in a state run by Democrats.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's just too bad that Rush is such a pompous blowhard hypocrite -- otherwise, I might actually feel sorry for him.

Which is exactly whats morally wrong with you lefties on this bulletin board. You can't separate your hatred of conservatives with whats right or wrong.. If its wrong for a liberal to be treated one way, its wrong for a conservative to be treated that way.

Thank you for pointing out you cannot get past your hatred..

And the same thing goes for you and Muslims.

No, its not.. I don't think Muslims should be treated unjustly.. Any innocent Muslim who dies as a result of the war on terror is horrible. I don't wish death or injustice on anyone.. which is what separates me from you. However, I do think the Islamic religion feeds terrorists and encourages terrorists by not coming out strongly against them.. Thats not the same as what you and DonVito have said, you ADMIT whats happening to them is wrong, but you accept it because of their political views.
 
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Originally posted by: Crimson

First of all, he has not been charged with a crime.. So, all these arguments that 'he shouldn't be above the law' and 'he should serve his time' are complete garbage.. HE HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME.

His medical records were siezed.. MONTHS ago.. And there is absolutely no indication that any charges are going to be filed against him. So it seems to me like they are siezing records to try to FIND something to charge him with, instead of trying to get proof for something they already have on him.

Besides, I think its extremely revealing that you admit you cannot put your opinion of his political opinions aside when determining right and wrong. Either the way he is being treated is RIGHT, or its WRONG.. his poltical views have absolutely nothing to do with it. Its no wonder people have such a negative view of lawyers.. if you, as a lawyer, cannot put side partisanship when determining whats right and wrong.. I think you may need to seek a change in profession.

Honestly DonVito, if you were charged with something unjustly.. my opinions of you would have no bearing on whether I thought you should be charged or not. I am honestly surprised to see you post something so shallow..

Awww, isn't that cute? My cyber-stalker strikes again! Would you like me to send a signed picture to your house?
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Crimson

First of all, he has not been charged with a crime.. So, all these arguments that 'he shouldn't be above the law' and 'he should serve his time' are complete garbage.. HE HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME.

His medical records were siezed.. MONTHS ago.. And there is absolutely no indication that any charges are going to be filed against him. So it seems to me like they are siezing records to try to FIND something to charge him with, instead of trying to get proof for something they already have on him.

Besides, I think its extremely revealing that you admit you cannot put your opinion of his political opinions aside when determining right and wrong. Either the way he is being treated is RIGHT, or its WRONG.. his poltical views have absolutely nothing to do with it. Its no wonder people have such a negative view of lawyers.. if you, as a lawyer, cannot put side partisanship when determining whats right and wrong.. I think you may need to seek a change in profession.

Honestly DonVito, if you were charged with something unjustly.. my opinions of you would have no bearing on whether I thought you should be charged or not. I am honestly surprised to see you post something so shallow..

Awww, isn't that cute? My cyber-stalker strikes again! Would you like me to send a signed picture to your house?

Any response to my argument that you can't put side your poltical hatred in determining right or wrong.. or are you just conceding thats true? I'm trying to get an answer out of you why you feel its acceptable to base right and wrong on your approval or disaproval of ones political views?
 
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Originally posted by: Crimson

Any response to my argument that you can't put side your poltical hatred in determining right or wrong.. or are you just conceding thats true? I'm trying to get an answer out of you why you feel its acceptable to base right and wrong on your approval or disaproval of ones political views?

Okay, I'll respond, since you asked nicely (at least by your admittedly terse standards).

As I said above, I think Rush should be treated the same as any offender who is accused of a comparable offense. I'll go ahead and quote myself (I was, in that context, talking about where he should be confined, hence the presumption of guilt - obviously that would not apply to findings):

Rush should, IMO, be treated like any other Floridian offender who possessed, used, and solicited distribution of massive amounts of controlled narcotics.

I never said he should be treated worse because of his political opinions, nor do I think he will be.

There appears to be very strong evidence that Rush was involved in massive drug activity, involving literally hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of extremely powerful narcotics. There is evidence he enlisted domestic staff, who had no history of drug trafficking, to procure drugs for him, and that he asked people with legitimate prescriptions to deny themselves pain pills in favor of giving them to him to party. He is a junkie, plain and simple, and this is the kind of behavior junkies engage in.

Rush's political agenda has nothing to do with how his case should be handled, but viscerally I'd find it satisfying to see him hammered, since he has advocated the same treatment for other drug offenders, and gone as far as to suggest that drug users should be deported. I see this as the height of hypocrisy.

Obviously he should be, and will be, presumed innocent, and I don't think anyone needs to worry about his civil rights being violated - he has more money than God (I believe he's retained the excellent Roy Black to defend him), and tremendous political connections in a state that has shown a fairly shocking degree of political corruption over the years. He'll be just fine.

I don't appreciate your comments that I hate conservatives, and that this clouds my thinking. This couldn't be much further from the truth, and I'm more conservative than you may realize. I'd bet my life savings I've done more to put criminals behind bars than you ever will in your lifetime. I have many close friends who are politically conservative, though I'll concede I don't have any neoconservative friends to the best of my knowledge.

 
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Rush on drugs:

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There's nothing good about drug use. We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods, which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.

What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too.


...We are becoming too tolerant as a society, folks, especially of crime, in too many parts of the country.... This country certainly appears to be tolerant, forgive and forget. I mean, you know as well as I do, you go out and commit the worst murder in the world and you just say you're sorry, people go, "Oh, OK. A little contrition."... People say, "I feel better. He said he's sorry for it." We're becoming too tolerant, folks.

--Rush Limbaugh TV show (10/5/95)

These tough sentencing laws were instituted for a reason. The American people, including liberals, demanded them. Don't you remember the crack cocaine epidemic? Crack babies and out-of-control murder rates? Liberal judges giving the bad guys slaps on the wrist? Finally we got tough, and the crime rate has been falling ever since, so what's wrong?

--RushLimbaugh.com (8/18/03)

In the audio link below, I go into detail about these non-thinking talking points that "you can't tell people what to do with their bodies" and "you can't legislate morality." First of all, we tell people what they can do to their bodies all the time--no cocaine, no prostitution, no throwing yourself off a building. Second, laws are nothing but defining morality!

--RushLimbaugh.com (6/27/03)

When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks.

--Rush Limbaugh radio show (quoted in the L.A. Times, 8/20/95)

I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right?"I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that."...

What he's saying is that if there's a line of cocaine here, I have to make the choice to go down and sniff it?.And his point is that we are rationalizing all this irresponsibility and all the choices people are making and we're blaming not them, but society for it. All these Hollywood celebrities say the reason they're weird and bizarre is because they were abused by their parents. So we're going to pay for that kind of rehab, too, and we shouldn't. It's not our responsibility. It's up to the people who are doing it. And Colangelo is right.

--Rush Limbaugh TV show (9/23/93)

I have a solution for Mrs. [Jocelyn] Elders. I mean, if she wants to legalize drugs, send the people who want to do drugs to London and Zurich and let's be rid of them. Now...The problem with legalizing drugs is, it's just another abhorrent example of human behavior that we've suddenly decided, "Hey, we can't handle it. We've given up and we're going to sanction the destruction of lives. We're going to let you destroy your life. We're going to make it easy, and then all of us who accept the responsibilities of life and don't destroy our lives on drugs--we'll pay for whatever messes you get into."...

I'm appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent behavior and say, "Hey, you know, we can't control it anymore. People are going to do drugs anyway. Let's legalize it." It's a dumb idea. It's a rotten idea, and those who are for it are purely, 100 percent selfish.

--Rush Limbaugh TV show (12/9/93)

 

Kibbo

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's just too bad that Rush is such a pompous blowhard hypocrite -- otherwise, I might actually feel sorry for him.

Which is exactly whats morally wrong with you lefties on this bulletin board. You can't separate your hatred of conservatives with whats right or wrong.. If its wrong for a liberal to be treated one way, its wrong for a conservative to be treated that way.

Thank you for pointing out you cannot get past your hatred..


How can one have a drug problem and not break the law when nearly every symptom of having a drug problem has been made illegal? I'm not excusing his behavior, nor am I saying it should go unaddressed, but people acting on afflictions are not the same type of criminals as those acting on motives to intentionally and/or actively victimize other people. This is what deserves jail time, drug problems deserve treatment. I don't like Rush one bit, but I like government picking on people even less.

Pwned.

That is the liberal response. Anything else is just venting.

Edit: That being said, I think it would be a good thing in a consequentialist sense if Rush were unable to vote.
 

earthman

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Let's hope this lying, fat, hypocritical bastard gets what he deserves. 10 years in prison would be nice.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's just too bad that Rush is such a pompous blowhard hypocrite -- otherwise, I might actually feel sorry for him.

Which is exactly whats morally wrong with you lefties on this bulletin board. You can't separate your hatred of conservatives with whats right or wrong.. If its wrong for a liberal to be treated one way, its wrong for a conservative to be treated that way.

Thank you for pointing out you cannot get past your hatred..
Wow, way to read something in my post that wasn't there. How does my inability to feel sorry for him somehow equal what you just claimed? It doesn't. Now go work the straw somewhere else.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's just too bad that Rush is such a pompous blowhard hypocrite -- otherwise, I might actually feel sorry for him.

Which is exactly whats morally wrong with you lefties on this bulletin board. You can't separate your hatred of conservatives with whats right or wrong.. If its wrong for a liberal to be treated one way, its wrong for a conservative to be treated that way.

Thank you for pointing out you cannot get past your hatred..
Wow, way to read something in my post that wasn't there. How does my inability to feel sorry for him somehow equal what you just claimed? It doesn't. Now go work the straw somewhere else.

Is whats happening to him right or wrong? If its wrong, you should be against it regardless if he is a 'pompous blowhard' or not.. But you are right, I did assume by you saying you didn't feel sorry for him that you endorsed it.. so I will give you an opportunity to clarify.. Is the way Rush is being treated wrong?
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Is whats happening to him right or wrong? If its wrong, you should be against it regardless if he is a 'pompous blowhard' or not.. But you are right, I did assume by you saying you didn't feel sorry for him that you endorsed it.. so I will give you an opportunity to clarify.. Is the way Rush is being treated wrong?
I believe drug addicts should be treated not thrown in jail. I also strongly believe in privacy rights -- which would extend to medical records. What complicates this case for Rush is that there is a felony investigation into his behavior, along with his public admission that he was using/addicted to Oxycontin.
 

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Personally the whole drug issue doesn't rate real high on my list of concerns. I tend to think we clog up the jails with too many petty drug offenses... I mean pot is not much worse than cigs and alcohol. The only thing I don't like is we all have to pay for the reckless behavior of some of those people though.

Anyways, I have a lot more sympathy for someone who gets addicted to prescription drugs, especially since they weren't seeking to get stoned... it's just something they needed and then abused it.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Personally the whole drug issue doesn't rate real high on my list of concerns. I tend to think we clog up the jails with too many petty drug offenses... I mean pot is not much worse than cigs and alcohol. The only thing I don't like is we all have to pay for the reckless behavior of some of those people though.

Anyways, I have a lot more sympathy for someone who gets addicted to prescription drugs, especially since they weren't seeking to get stoned... it's just something they needed and then abused it.

Yeah, as opposed to all those horrible non Christian types who were just looking for fun. They should pay for their kind of weakness.