Does anyone have any experience running windows 98 or 2000 on a Mac? I picked up a Mac G3 server with dual processors and 512mb of ram, and I was thinking about running windows on it. I've heard that windows tends to eat up resources on macs, but I was hoping for a first hand account from someone.
Running windows 2000 on Mac G3; any experience?
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Unless I am mistaken, you need to run Windows in an emulator. It can not be installed directly onto a Mac. In that case, any Windows OS will run slower.
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Yes, I was looking at purchasing Virtual PC (i think it's called that), and I've also heard that Macs run windows more efficiently anyways
Macs run windows more effciently? I don't know who told you that.
Maybe Macs run more effeciently then Windows, but I am not to sure about that.
Power PC's are a fundamentally different computing platform then x86 computers. Hell even the binaries are different.
PPC is generally a big-endian binaries and x86 PC are little-endian only. So to run windows effeciantly on a PPC you would either have complete access to the source code to compile your own (and work several years to port it) or have a version of w2k designed to run on PPC computers, which is non-existant.
Now you can run a x86 emulator in OS 9 or OS X, but it's going to very very slow. You can pick up a x86 computer for 400 dollars that will run windows faster then the fastest macs can.
VirtualPC is a nice x86 emulator that will run windows, unfortunately is was bought out by MS (probably for use to run a stripped down windows version for the Xbox2 which will likely be a PPC computer, like the Nintendo Gamecube). You can probably find old versions floating around though.
Also are you sure that it's not a Dual G4? got a link were I can look at a example? (me just being curious)
Maybe Macs run more effeciently then Windows, but I am not to sure about that.
Power PC's are a fundamentally different computing platform then x86 computers. Hell even the binaries are different.
PPC is generally a big-endian binaries and x86 PC are little-endian only. So to run windows effeciantly on a PPC you would either have complete access to the source code to compile your own (and work several years to port it) or have a version of w2k designed to run on PPC computers, which is non-existant.
Now you can run a x86 emulator in OS 9 or OS X, but it's going to very very slow. You can pick up a x86 computer for 400 dollars that will run windows faster then the fastest macs can.
VirtualPC is a nice x86 emulator that will run windows, unfortunately is was bought out by MS (probably for use to run a stripped down windows version for the Xbox2 which will likely be a PPC computer, like the Nintendo Gamecube). You can probably find old versions floating around though.
Also are you sure that it's not a Dual G4? got a link were I can look at a example? (me just being curious)
It's the bottom left one The guy was just going to throw it out, so I said I'd take it... So far I did manage to migrate the 512 mb/ ram into my system, so at least I got something out of it.
I dont know what I'm going to do with it yet; if anything, the case would house my old motherboard nicely...
I dont know what I'm going to do with it yet; if anything, the case would house my old motherboard nicely...
They might run more effeciently with their native OS but Virtual PC is awful, even browsing web pages is stuttery. And to make it worse the G3 has no vector processing.
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yeah Load up OS X it will at least fun to play with and learn about macs with. I would kill to get that system for free, you could proubly still get a grand for the thing on egay
PPC is generally a big-endian binaries and x86 PC are little-endian only. So to run windows effeciantly on a PPC you would either have complete access to the source code to compile your own (and work several years to port it) or have a version of w2k designed to run on PPC computers, which is non-existant.
i don't know about windows 2000, but windows nt runs on ppc
i don't know about windows 2000, but windows nt runs on ppc
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A friend of mine runs Windows inside VPC on a TiBook and it runs fine, I would say you had a problem with your Mac or it just wasn't powerfull enough for VPC.
Ran on PPC, all the non-x86 ports of NT were dropped eventually, Alpha made it the longest because I believe it was supported up to NT4 SP4. Windows 2000 had Alpha builds up until RC2, but they were dropped as well.
Ran on PPC, all the non-x86 ports of NT were dropped eventually, Alpha made it the longest because I believe it was supported up to NT4 SP4. Windows 2000 had Alpha builds up until RC2, but they were dropped as well.
just because you can't get the latest service pack doesn't mean windows nt won't run. however, windows nt only ran on prep hardware and won't run on macs.
just because you can't get the latest service pack doesn't mean windows nt won't run. however, windows nt only ran on prep hardware and won't run on macs.
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Sorry, you're right, it will run if you stick with software that's years old and not supported any more. And most likely you need software compiled for PPC, Alpha had FX!32 to run x86 PE executables, but I've never heard of a similar thing for the PPC or MIPS ports.
Sorry, you're right, it will run if you stick with software that's years old and not supported any more. And most likely you need software compiled for PPC, Alpha had FX!32 to run x86 PE executables, but I've never heard of a similar thing for the PPC or MIPS ports.
heh, i never said it'd be useful...
btw, did anyone ever come out with non-x86 windows software with any commercial success?
heh, i never said it'd be useful...
btw, did anyone ever come out with non-x86 windows software with any commercial success?
I ported NAV and NU to alpha many years ago (as well as PPC). Not sure I'd call them strong commercial success, however.
Bill
Win2k runs pretty well in VPC for Mac (The latest version of which is made by Microsoft, not connectix)
Kinda sucks not having a right mouse button tho.
Edit: As for memory the VPC will only hog as much memory as you allow. W2k with 192MB allocated works pretty well. You can crank up the VM settings in it to make up for the low physical memory. Relatively speaking the disk system in VPCs runs very well since you're dealing with a file rather than a disk. The host OS's natural caching of files make the whole virtual disk work pretty well.
Kinda sucks not having a right mouse button tho.
Edit: As for memory the VPC will only hog as much memory as you allow. W2k with 192MB allocated works pretty well. You can crank up the VM settings in it to make up for the low physical memory. Relatively speaking the disk system in VPCs runs very well since you're dealing with a file rather than a disk. The host OS's natural caching of files make the whole virtual disk work pretty well.
If you don't want to go MacOS, though I don't know why you wouldn't, you can go Yellowdog Linux.
I've ran Win98SE on a Mac beige G3 desktop with VPC before. Installed and ran ok, But was allmost painfully slow.
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