Running bad on joints and other questions.

[Zebo]

We're just running more efficiently.

Yeah like not carrying an extra 100 lbs. Try that and run and get back to me on efficiency. ***(not responsible for any injury, your past performance is not indicative of future performance, any and all questions should be directed to emergency room)😀

 

[alkemyst]

Anyway Alkemist. Questions are simple.
Does big guys knees suffere inordinatly when running to small guys?
Don't we have to run way less to get same exercise due to24/7 maintainence of more muscle mass and moving more mass saving knees instead?

I have been a larger runner for a long time...the lowest my weight hits is 175lbs 'ripped
and usually around 185-190lbs 'cut', therefore when I am usually starting a cut I am in the 200-210 range.

Genetics and mechanics are going to be the main deciding factors IMHO as long as you aren't obese and have no muscle tone in your legs.

Wear and tear is bound to be greater all things being equal of course.

I am not sure your last point. If anything the smaller guy esp an ectomorph will be greatly thwarted by extra cardio. The heavier guy will burn more calories if that's what you are asking, but it's a wash usually as everything scales up.

If I was lighter I am sure concrete and poorer shoes would be more forgiving though.

 

[bommy261]

to add to what vi edit said, the faster you run, the less you wear out your knees because that's just how physics works. the shock and load that your knee has to distribute happens faster, therefore not as much damage can happen. it's kinda like a wide receiver colliding with another player's lower legs when he catches the ball. in slow-mo, it looks like it could have really hurt or torn something, but most of the time, it didn't hurt at all... they just get up and run back to the huddle. now, what about the linemen who end up tearing an mcl or acl... you see it on replay and someone else rolled over their shin or something... a relatively slow injury. that dude's out for the season. the faster the strike, the less it hurts. also, the faster you run a certain distance, the less repetitions or strides of stress you've put on your knees.

ummmmm have u ever heard of impulse force? it is the exact opposite of what your saying. If you experience a force that happens faster it imparts much more energy onto the joint because time is lessened for the impact.

but you are right that you will be moving your legs back and forth faster which will reduce the impact from hitting the ground... ideally you want to take the shortest strides possible (to a certain degree) to minimize the impact

 

[eits]

ummmmm have u ever heard of impulse force? it is the exact opposite of what your saying. If you experience a force that happens faster it imparts much more energy onto the joint because time is lessened for the impact.

but you are right that you will be moving your legs back and forth faster which will reduce the impact from hitting the ground... ideally you want to take the shortest strides possible (to a certain degree) to minimize the impact

no, i know about the impulse equation. i guess i just forgot what it was that i learned back in the day... it was something to the effect of what i said, but different (obviously) and accurate. i need a refresher physics/biomechanics lesson, i guess. like i said, i'm sure i'll get the refresher as i progress in my master's.

shorter strides? that seems like it'd be more damaging to ligaments... longer strides seems biomechanically more feasible when you look at the musculoskeletal structure.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

shorter strides? that seems like it'd be more damaging to ligaments... longer strides seems biomechanically more feasible when you look at the musculoskeletal structure.

I already addressed this earlier in the thread. Elite runners have a much faster turnover than recreational runners (roughly 180 footstrikes per minute vs. 150), and this necessitates having a slightly shorter stride.

Depending on their race distance, elite runners will often log anywhere from 100-160 miles per week on a consistent basis and suffer fewer injuries than a recreational runner doing only 30-40 mpw. Increased mileage, done responsibly, is not necessarily more damaging.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Sup Mark... Why'd you quit brudda? It's definitely murder that's what these scronymorphs don't understand who sail around effortlessly. I've been doing this almost 10 years and never gets 'easy' and I go 6x a week. OTOH I can lift a house. Hadnt worked out in a dozen years and this winter did 225 x 15 bench, as a one off, easy. But that aint shit compared to back in da day.😀 Different strokes.

You are definitely a crazy solid dude judging by your pics. All that wrestling you have done, translates into excellent functional strength. Not too mention no one trains harder than wrestlers. :thumbsup: I surmise it is part genetic too. IIRC you have a couple of bros, and they are big guys too, right?

To answer your question: I get my cardio from MA/MMA. Train and teach Shotokan, and joined a new gym called Force Fitness on Cocoa Beach. They have an excellent pro boxing coach, and BJJ prof. teaching their MMA programs. Between the dojo and gym, it is Mon-Sat, so no energy left for anything else. Other than the hobby horse that is :awe:

BTW, Shot you a friend request, hope that is cool.

Now, back to the debate. I side with Vi who commented "Impact exercise actually strengthens bones and joints" I nuked my knee in '06



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Opted out of surgery for torn meniscus repair (was not THAT bad) Running helped me get completely over it. Hurt at first, but as the months went by, and running helped strengthen the leg again, it improved. Now, I rarely notice it, no matter what I do. So, running helped me rehab it quite well.

 

[Zebo]

MMA wow. I don't think I'd like getting punched in the face..too pretty😀 j/k and my ears are fucked up enough from wrestling.😛 Seriously man that's cool as hell you're doing that at our age. Nothing will wear your ass out quicker and keep you in shape better than martial arts. :::COOL:::

Sorry to hear about your knee. YUK! That looks eerily similar to when I broke my tibia fibula and they put a rod in tibia. Looked just like that around knee to insert rod and the lower dmage is like where bones punctured skin. Anyway - that was almost 20 years ago. Fibula never quite lined up right so I deal with lots of pain and may have it re-broken re-set someday if bio mechanics start screwing up the knees. (PS DON'T LET YOUR KIDS BUY MOTORCYCLES PERIOD!!!)


OF course you're my friend..now I just gotta fiqure out this new forum and set it proper.