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Rumsfeld Doubles estimates of Iraq costs $4 billion a month
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BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
Dude, it's DOD . . . I'm surprised it's only doubled.
BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
Do you think a majority of Americans would have supported the war if Bush made announcements in early March:
1) We don't really have any evidence of deployable WMD in Iraq or any intentions to use them against the US.
2) We will likely have token allies for this endeavor . . . but they will still require billions in payola.
3) We might not get Saddam but we will try really hard.
4) We will maintain a force of at least 150K troops in Iraq for 2-5 years followed by a somewhat reduced troop presence (50-75K) for at least a decade if not more.
5) It will cost a minimum of $50b per year over the first five years.
6) Despite the expense of human lives and cash . . . Iraqis will continue to kill Americans and Iraqis assisting Americans on a regular basis.
1) We don't really have any evidence of deployable WMD in Iraq or any intentions to use them against the US.
2) We will likely have token allies for this endeavor . . . but they will still require billions in payola.
3) We might not get Saddam but we will try really hard.
4) We will maintain a force of at least 150K troops in Iraq for 2-5 years followed by a somewhat reduced troop presence (50-75K) for at least a decade if not more.
5) It will cost a minimum of $50b per year over the first five years.
6) Despite the expense of human lives and cash . . . Iraqis will continue to kill Americans and Iraqis assisting Americans on a regular basis.
lozina
Lifer
Considering the frameworkers of this whole Iraq mission are accomplished business men, many having executive positions in large corporations dealing with defense, petroleum (*hint hint*)... does anyone really think they would spend so much money on Iraq and leave the people happy with a new democracy where they can spend their oil money on improving hospital care and education? No, that wouldn't make any sense. These people are businessmen, they're investing in Iraq, probably in collaboration with the companies they sit on the board with. To think they will not exploit the Iraqi natural resources for themselves would be considerably dense. Therefore, what it boils down to is this cost of 4 billion a month from our pockets, goes into investing into natural resources for the benefit of a few companies. Gotta love it...
CaptnKirk
Lifer
O.K. let's see 3.9 Bill / Mo to Iraq along with 700 Mill / Mo ti Afganistan thats 4.6 Bill / Mo outgoing,
which is 55 Billion per year, looks like it's time to give another tax break to corporations and wealthy.
If we cut all programs that benifit people making under 50 K per year and with hold school expenditures
we can get this one through, I have faith in this line of economic reasoning..
which is 55 Billion per year, looks like it's time to give another tax break to corporations and wealthy.
If we cut all programs that benifit people making under 50 K per year and with hold school expenditures
we can get this one through, I have faith in this line of economic reasoning..
when has our border EVER been 100% secure? tell me ONE president who has Actually made our borders more secure? NOT one demo/republican president. Its sick and disapponting. We will never be safe and for say any administration to say were taking steps to be more secure or were more secure than before, with a practically open border is a complete joke. For example, Its an estimated 700,000 people a year IIRC come from mexico to the US and im pretty sure not all are mexicans.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
OK, Mr.IHaveAllTheAnswers, what would YOU DO to "improve our security"? I don't want to hear what you are against - I want to see YOUR ideas. Oh, and while you are thinking - you may want to actually think about causation how your "sovereign nation" argument is flawed.
CkG
So all the captured Al-Queda suspects we have caught around the world with the help of foreign countries
(pakistan who helped cature 500 of them alone) is NOT an improvement? even over are previous administration? .
And lets say we DIDNT invade Iraq. How would we the US be any safer?
you think NK wouldnt still be blackmailing us? since they built nukes under bill's watch so its his administration fault 100%.
you think Iran would still not be a dictatorship and have hate for the US?
you think Al-queda would stop trying to attack us?
you think syria would stop supporting terrorism?
you think are world opinon would actually be any better that it would matter? considering how PEOPLE will always hate us...
talk about a blindfold
lmk
lozina
Lifer
Well, just as a computer on the internet is never completely invulnerable, our country will never be completely invulnerable. If there is sufficient reason to, someone will find a way to compromise security. We can introduce the toughest security in airports, dillute bill of rights in the name of security, have tight controls on immigration... but if there are people out there with enough dedication to do us harm, they will. So what to do? Stop giving people reasons to hate us. We need to look long and hard at our foreign policy and how they effect other people not just our own self interest. If we provide empathy for other people and act more responsibly we will be more secure then all the high-tech x-ray machines and immigration interrogations could provide. As an example: our foreign policy with Iraq is disasterous. In case no one has ntoiced, virtually the entire world has expressed outrage. One fo the biggest blunders to national security in a very long time...
lozina
Lifer
capturing al-qaeda suspects through local regional powers and without excessive force is exactly the right way to do it.
Iran is not a dictatorship, you need to get your facts straight.
And if you haven't noticed, North Korea only began it's threats when we started threatening Iraq.
And world opinion is directly related to how we handle things... let our sloppy Iraq war be a testament to that.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Ah, so just more coddling and no real answers then? True colors shining through- Yes, Everyone Likes Losers Obviating World confrontations
CkG
CaptnKirk
Lifer
AnImuS made a comment about how helpfull Pakistan was in helping us round up Al Queda members.
Well there was a bounty on them, somewhere around $ 25,000 a head for any that were captured.
600 x $ 25,000 = Lot of Money (1.5 Million approx.)
Heres what we got for the cash
There's other stuff if you wish to inform yourself, but refusing to accept the information is another character flaw.
Well there was a bounty on them, somewhere around $ 25,000 a head for any that were captured.
600 x $ 25,000 = Lot of Money (1.5 Million approx.)
Heres what we got for the cash
There's other stuff if you wish to inform yourself, but refusing to accept the information is another character flaw.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ah, so just more coddling and no real answers then? True colors shining through- Yes, Everyone Likes Losers Obviating World confrontations
CkG
Umm, ok... I'd like to hear an explanation now
About?
CkG
So what if they were bounties? Money ALWAYS moves people. If money is what it takes to capture binladen then why the hell not? you think 1.5million has ANY affect on the US money machine? ha
and heres this snippet from your link:
"A recent story in the Los Angeles Times reports that at least 10 percent of the 625 war prisoners captured in Afghanistan and now held at the notorious US naval base prison in Guantanamo Bay have "no meaningful connection" with the Taliban or Al Qaeda. "
Thats 62 people from afghanistan. the rest can be terrorist. will probably never know from any adminstration how their policy is done. But theres nothing you can do because any adminstration will classify it as National Security.
Second of all thats from the LA times i dont trust their reporting anymore because its almost completely biased...
so i take it with a grain of salt at most.
"There's other stuff if you wish to inform yourself, but refusing to accept the information is another character flaw."
If you want to try and put other people down tring to show your "superior intelligence" [like others do on this form] by taking cheap attacks then thats just pathetic...
Four billion a month now? Some people are getting very, very rich sucking at our federal teat.
Of course that was never intended and is purely coincidental and slap my traitorous mind for even conceiving the thought there may have been less-than-admiral motives for "doing Iraq".
Of course that was never intended and is purely coincidental and slap my traitorous mind for even conceiving the thought there may have been less-than-admiral motives for "doing Iraq".
lozina
Lifer
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ah, so just more coddling and no real answers then? True colors shining through- Yes, Everyone Likes Losers Obviating World confrontations
CkG
Umm, ok... I'd like to hear an explanation now
About?
CkG
About your remarks. I am merely requesting you explain how you arrived to: "just more coddling and no real answers then?" and "Losers Obviating World confrontations". What is a winner's attitude to you? Bombing anything that may remotely be a threat ? Depositing depleted uranium on playgrounds?
spin is bad 😀
1.What do you consider excessive force?
2. Can you honestly tell me iran is 100% a democratic government? i guess i misunderstood the recent protests
3. And if you havent noticed NK was put on the axis of evil because they developed nuclear weapons in the 90's under BIll!
(before iraqi war *hint*) They not only threaten the US but also SK and japan. and now we have to give them food and money if we want to take away their toys. so they dont share them with other countries and people
4. I thought are war in iraq was pretty remarkable considering it lasted around 3 weeks.
Rebuilding a country onto its feet will never be done in 1day.
and lastly you still havent provide any good argument on how invading iraq has made us less secure then what we were before?
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