Rumsfeld compares Chavez to Hitler?

[raildogg]

So what? People daily compare Bush to Hitler. One is the leader of a Democracy, other was a Tyrant.

Also Communists can be murderers too, it doesn't have to be a fascist.

 

[alchemize]

Do any of the leftist posters actually have any clue on what Chavez has done in his country? We'd have hippies stroking out all over the place if Bush even tried ONE of Chavez's (many) successful tactics to consolidate power.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: raildogg
So what? People daily compare Bush to Hitler. One is the leader of a Democracy, other was a Tyrant.

Hitler was democratically elected chancellor of Germany. That didn't stop him, and it hasn't stopped the Bushwhackos from using the same tactics to consolidate their power and do wholesale destruction of our Constitutional rights.

Also Communists can be murderers too, it doesn't have to be a fascist.

True. The Bushwhackos just happen to be closer to being fascists than Communists... who weren't that close to a true communinst (with a lower case "c") philosophy in the first place.

 

[alchemize]

That's what I love about this board! I can make a statement, and 30 short minutes later someone comes along to prove it. It's practically a law of physics...

Let's see, the topic is Hugo, and what's Hugo done?
- engineered a new constitution that did away with the Senate
- revised the rules of congress so that major legislation can pass with only a simple, rather than a two-thirds, majority
-Using that rule, Chávez secured congressional approval for an expansion of the Supreme Court from 20 to 32 justices and filled the new posts with unabashed revolucionarios
- 1999 constitution did away with congressional oversight of military affairs
- in 2004, he began assembling a parallel army of urban reservists, whose membership he hopes to expand from 100,000 members to 2 million
- a new media law allows the state to supervise media content
- a revised criminal code permits the state to imprison any citizen for showing ?disrespect? toward government officials
- And let's not forget that Chavez's first attempt to come into power was via a violent COUP that failed.

No - tis BUSH that's close to Hitler!! Bush is closer to fascism than Chavez, Cindy Sheehan told me so!

source.

 

[Harvey]

Not that Hugo was the topic of this thread to begin with, but aside from the violent coup, the parallels between that list of his activities and what Bush and his party have done are frighteningly similar.

Let's see, the topic is Bush and the Republicans, and what have they done?

• Ignored the Constitution and did away with Constitutional oversight requring a search warrant before spying on U.S. citizens.
  
• Revised and abused the rules of Congress so that individual legislators can load major legislation with pork and payoffs in late night sessions through "earmarks" added so that other legislators don't have a clue what's in the resulting bills.
  
• Using the threat of a "nuclear option" rule, the Republicans secured congressional approval for right wing Supreme Court justices who may or may not otherwise have been approved.
  
• Abused the media by leaking the name of a covert CIA operative and doing everything in their power to cover it up, while, at the same time, pursuing criminal prosecution of reporters who disclosed the Bushwhackos' illegal spying on American citizens.
  
• Ramrodded sections of the criminal code euphemistically called "The Patriot Act," to enhance their grip on power and permit the state to imprison any citizen for any number of reasons without having to show cause for such actions.

YES! it's der wanna be führer, George Adolf Bushler and his crew that are closest to Hitler's nazis! :|

The facts are well documented. You shouldn't need Cindy Sheehan to make the point, but the Gestapo did arrest her for charges they later admitted were bogus. I'm glad she's out there making the point for the pinheads who haven't gotten it, yet. :thumbsup:

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Not that Hugo was the topic of this thread to begin with, but aside from the violent coup, the parallels between that list of his activities and what Bush and his party have done are frighteningly similar.

Let's see, the topic is Bush and the Republicans, and what have they done?

• Ignored the Constitution, and did away with Constitutional oversight requring a search warrant before spying on U.S. citizens.
  
• Revised and abuse the rules of Congress so that individual legislators can load major legislation with pork and payoffs in late night sessions through "earmarks" added so that other legislators don't have a clue what's in the resulting bills.
  
• Using the threat of a "nuclear option" rule, the Republicans secured congressional approval for right wing Supreme Court justices who may or may not otherwise have been approved.
  
• Abused the media by leaking the name of a covert CIA operative and doing everything in their power to cover it up, while, at the same time, pursuing criminal prosecution of reporters who disclosed the Bushwhackos' illegal spying on American citizens.
  
• Ramrodded sections of the criminal code euphemistically called "The Patriot Act," to enhance their grip on power and permit the state to imprison any citizen for any number of reasons without having to show cause for such actions.

YES! it's der wanna be führer, George Adolf Bushler and his crew that are closest to Hitler's nazis! :|

The facts are well documented. You shouldn't need Cindy Sheehan to make the point, but the Gestapo did arrest her for charges they later admitted were bogus. I'm glad she's out there making the point for the pinheads who haven't gotten it, yet. :thumbsup:

Nice Formatting!:thumbsup:

 

[Bitek]

I really think Rummy is bat$hit crazy. He's always a little off when he speaks, but the last time I saw him on the NewsHour being interviewed I was convinced that the admin had just let him out of the home for a day trip and he was going right back with a handful of meds as soon as the interview was over.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: alchemize
That's what I love about this board! I can make a statement, and 30 short minutes later someone comes along to prove it. It's practically a law of physics...

Let's see, the topic is Hugo, and what's Hugo done?
- engineered a new constitution that did away with the Senate
- revised the rules of congress so that major legislation can pass with only a simple, rather than a two-thirds, majority
-Using that rule, Chávez secured congressional approval for an expansion of the Supreme Court from 20 to 32 justices and filled the new posts with unabashed revolucionarios
- 1999 constitution did away with congressional oversight of military affairs
- in 2004, he began assembling a parallel army of urban reservists, whose membership he hopes to expand from 100,000 members to 2 million
- a new media law allows the state to supervise media content
- a revised criminal code permits the state to imprison any citizen for showing ?disrespect? toward government officials
- And let's not forget that Chavez's first attempt to come into power was via a violent COUP that failed.

No - tis BUSH that's close to Hitler!! Bush is closer to fascism than Chavez, Cindy Sheehan told me so!

source.

Bush has violated every single Bill of Right, you know in the US Constitution which is a list of restrictions on federal authority. You name it he breaks it.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory10.html

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Hafen
I really think Rummy is bat$hit crazy. He's always a little off when he speaks, but the last time I saw him on the NewsHour being interviewed I was convinced that the admin had just let him out of the home for a day trip and he was going right back with a handful of meds as soon as the interview was over.

He's not crazy nor is Bush or anyone around him. They are the financial and political elites which is the same thing - whos job is to exact maximum dollars to thier friends in return for putting them there. They enrich themselves at everyone else's expense from soldiers on the ground to the tax payer. "Stopping WMDs" "democracy" "free trade" etc are just the ideological window-dressing the get the simpletons in a lather for thier real policy - imperialistic mercantilism. Very sucessful.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: alchemize
That's what I love about this board! I can make a statement, and 30 short minutes later someone comes along to prove it. It's practically a law of physics...

Let's see, the topic is Hugo, and what's Hugo done?
- engineered a new constitution that did away with the Senate
- revised the rules of congress so that major legislation can pass with only a simple, rather than a two-thirds, majority
-Using that rule, Chávez secured congressional approval for an expansion of the Supreme Court from 20 to 32 justices and filled the new posts with unabashed revolucionarios
- 1999 constitution did away with congressional oversight of military affairs
- in 2004, he began assembling a parallel army of urban reservists, whose membership he hopes to expand from 100,000 members to 2 million
- a new media law allows the state to supervise media content
- a revised criminal code permits the state to imprison any citizen for showing ?disrespect? toward government officials
- And let's not forget that Chavez's first attempt to come into power was via a violent COUP that failed.

No - tis BUSH that's close to Hitler!! Bush is closer to fascism than Chavez, Cindy Sheehan told me so!

source.

yup. the man is pretty bad. not hitler, but i guess some people wouldn't even know this much like...cindy sheehan. not good for her at all. if she knows, she sides with a monster. if she doesn't, she is an ignorant moron. if she knows and just using an enemy of an enemy is my friend, she is a hipocrite, since thats a fundamental gripe against the west the antiwar movement has.

but i guess he should be called something considering the uncritical coverage the media tends to give chavez.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Not that Hugo was the topic of this thread to begin with, but aside from the violent coup, the parallels between that list of his activities and what Bush and his party have done are frighteningly similar.

Let's see, the topic is Bush and the Republicans, and what have they done?

• Ignored the Constitution, and did away with Constitutional oversight requring a search warrant before spying on U.S. citizens.
  
• Revised and abuse the rules of Congress so that individual legislators can load major legislation with pork and payoffs in late night sessions through "earmarks" added so that other legislators don't have a clue what's in the resulting bills.
  
• Using the threat of a "nuclear option" rule, the Republicans secured congressional approval for right wing Supreme Court justices who may or may not otherwise have been approved.
  
• Abused the media by leaking the name of a covert CIA operative and doing everything in their power to cover it up, while, at the same time, pursuing criminal prosecution of reporters who disclosed the Bushwhackos' illegal spying on American citizens.
  
• Ramrodded sections of the criminal code euphemistically called "The Patriot Act," to enhance their grip on power and permit the state to imprison any citizen for any number of reasons without having to show cause for such actions.

YES! it's der wanna be führer, George Adolf Bushler and his crew that are closest to Hitler's nazis! :|

The facts are well documented. You shouldn't need Cindy Sheehan to make the point, but the Gestapo did arrest her for charges they later admitted were bogus. I'm glad she's out there making the point for the pinheads who haven't gotten it, yet. :thumbsup:

"aside from the violent coup" LOL. What a joke. Yah, dissolving the senate, removing oversight from the military, and more than doubling the supreme court is really comparable to "threatening the nuclear option" and other political games.

 

[alchemize]

Chavez says "oh yah, 1 + infinity!"

Chavez says Bush worse than Hitler

 

[Votingisanillusion]

Originally posted by: alchemize
That's what I love about this board! I can make a statement, and 30 short minutes later someone comes along to prove it. It's practically a law of physics...

Let's see, the topic is Hugo, and what's Hugo done?
- engineered a new constitution that did away with the Senate
- revised the rules of congress so that major legislation can pass with only a simple, rather than a two-thirds, majority
-Using that rule, Chávez secured congressional approval for an expansion of the Supreme Court from 20 to 32 justices and filled the new posts with unabashed revolucionarios
- 1999 constitution did away with congressional oversight of military affairs
- in 2004, he began assembling a parallel army of urban reservists, whose membership he hopes to expand from 100,000 members to 2 million
- a new media law allows the state to supervise media content
- a revised criminal code permits the state to imprison any citizen for showing ?disrespect? toward government officials
- And let's not forget that Chavez's first attempt to come into power was via a violent COUP that failed.

No - tis BUSH that's close to Hitler!! Bush is closer to fascism than Chavez, Cindy Sheehan told me so!

source.

Great source: the CIA participated in the 2002 against Chavez, and who is writing for your source of disinfo against democratically elected Chavez: John Deutch, the former director of central intelligence: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=1584

It is so funny how in their long article against Chavez, on page 2, the writer manages to tell us almost nothing about this coup. Is it because this coup was backed by the CIA and Bushist friends of this writer? Is it because the first political decision of the 2 days dictator was to suppress all democratic institutions? So we have a writer who spins everything he can against the democratic Chavez, while at the same time saying nothing against the friend of Bush and the CIA who immediately suppressed all democratic institutions. And not a word about the leader of the opposition who said that Venezuela needed a dictator to replace Chavez who won many elections. How strange: I thought the goal of the author was to attack the ennemies of democracy in Venezuela. Or was it?
To understand how this article disinforms its readers about some laws passed by the Chavez administration, one must remember that Venezuela was a puppet state, with corrupt leaders doing everything to enrich US oil corps, and mass-media much worse than Fox, spreading not only lies but tons of hatred and much worse on anyone criticizing the rich oligarchy and its absolute power.
For example: << Chávez secured congressional approval for an expansion of the Supreme Court from 20 to 32 justices and filled the new posts with unabashed revolucionarios >>. The Supreme Court was filled with corrupt judges loyal to the corrupt oligarchy that put them there; something had to be done to prevent the Supreme Court from blocking any reform, like the vast reform of the oil sector, through which Chavez enriched his country tremendously, infuriating the corrupt puppet oligarchy and their generous masters, the US oil corps.
<< 1999 constitution did away with congressional oversight of military affairs >>. As was proved by the coup of 2002, many generals and officers were fascists and friends of the CIA; the government had to do something about it without being blocked by the corrupt opposition, the same opposition that wants to replace Chavez with a dictator.
<< And let's not forget that Chavez's first attempt to come into power was via a violent COUP that failed. >> It was a coup against a corrupt president who jailed Chavez when his coup failed; but the next president then jailed his predecessor for corruption and set Chavez free. Chavez had tried to help his country get rid of a corrupt oligarchy that made the majority of the people of Venezuela very poor, making a minority very rich. Chavez is a hero for a majority of Venezuelans. Bush, on the other side, now appears like one of the worst presidents ever for a majority of US citizens, I guess, since he made the rich richer, and did his best to destroy the Constitution and turn this country into a police state, and invaded three countried, and .... How many coutries did Chavez invade? Zero. It is clear for the World who is the fascist.

 

[envy me]

A comparison of Bush to Hitler would be alot more accurate than Chavez to Hitler.