Rumsfeld -- caught on camera

[Sultan]

year ago today, the Bush Administration was making its final push toward war in Iraq. We know now that much of what we were told about the threat that Iraq posed was untrue. And rather than own up to their distortion of the facts, Bush administration officials are denying they ever said such things.

But this Sunday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld got caught blatantly contradicting his past statements, and we have the video clip. You can check it out at:

http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/

Congress' responsibility is to hold President Bush and his administration accountable for this pattern of deception -- that's why we have the Constitution. But instead, Congress today will debate a resolution congratulating Bush, for (they claim) making the world safer.

We must demand, at a minimum, that Congress censure the President. It's our Representatives' duty to formally reprimand him for misleading us. And we've got to demand it today, while they're debating their anniversary resolution.

Please call your Representative now.

Make it clear that you are a constituent, then let the staffers know you expect nothing less than Censure.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

here are some definitions for you:
im·mi·nent

: ready to take place; especially : hanging threateningly over one's head <was in imminent danger of being run over>

im·me·di·ate

1 a : acting or being without the intervention of another object, cause, or agency : DIRECT <the immediate cause of death> b : present to the mind independently of other states or factors <immediate awareness> c : involving or derived from a single premise <an immediate inference>
2 : being next in line or relation <the immediate family>
3 a : existing without intervening space or substance <brought into immediate contact> b : being near at hand <the immediate neighborhood>
4 a : occurring, acting, or accomplished without loss or interval of time : INSTANT <an immediate need> b (1) : near to or related to the present <the immediate past> (2) : of or relating to the here and now : CURRENT <too busy with immediate concerns to worry about the future>
5 : directly touching or concerning a person or thing <the child's immediate world is the classroom>

not the same word, odd that.

not a censurable offense, I'm sure.

 

[Orsorum]

This topic is being discussed, in this thread.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Nice, the moveon trolls have arrived; there goes the neighborhood.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Nice, the moveon trolls have arrived; there goes the neighborhood.

Get a fvcking clue. Moveon.org did NOT create the video.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Nice, the moveon trolls have arrived; there goes the neighborhood.

So you dispute the veracity of the video?

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Nice, the moveon trolls have arrived; there goes the neighborhood.

So you dispute the veracity of the video?

I didn't watch it because 1.) I didn't like the way the original poster prefaced his argument and 2.) I wouldn't watch anything from moveon.org....

 

[arsbanned]

I didn't watch it because

Hmm, that sounds a lot like putting your head in the sand.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Nice, the moveon trolls have arrived; there goes the neighborhood.

So you dispute the veracity of the video?

I didn't watch it because 1.) I didn't like the way the original poster prefaced his argument and 2.) I wouldn't watch anything from moveon.org....

Watch it, it's interesting. One of the best ways to understand an opponent is to read his newspapers.

Cheers!
Nate

 

[chess9]

Galt:

Don't worry about the neighborhood. IQs around here by those truly burying their heads in the sand couldn't drop any lower without becoming a negative number.

-Robert

 

[josphII]

repost and the clip doesnt even point out any contradictions

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
here are some definitions for you:
im·mi·nent

: ready to take place; especially : hanging threateningly over one's head <was in imminent danger of being run over>

im·me·di·ate

1 a : acting or being without the intervention of another object, cause, or agency : DIRECT <the immediate cause of death> b : present to the mind independently of other states or factors <immediate awareness> c : involving or derived from a single premise <an immediate inference>
2 : being next in line or relation <the immediate family>
3 a : existing without intervening space or substance <brought into immediate contact> b : being near at hand <the immediate neighborhood>
4 a : occurring, acting, or accomplished without loss or interval of time : INSTANT <an immediate need> b (1) : near to or related to the present <the immediate past> (2) : of or relating to the here and now : CURRENT <too busy with immediate concerns to worry about the future>
5 : directly touching or concerning a person or thing <the child's immediate world is the classroom>

not the same word, odd that.

not a censurable offense, I'm sure.

Entry: imminent
Function: adjective
Definition: at hand
Synonyms: approaching, brewing, close, coming, expectant, fast-approaching, following, forthcoming, gathering, immediate, impending, in prospect, in store, in view, ineluctable, inescapable, inevasible, inevitable, likely, looming, menacing, near, nearing, next, nigh, overhanging, possible, probable, threatening, to come, unavoidable, unescapable
Concept: timeliness
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

I didn't watch it because

Hmm, that sounds a lot like putting your head in the sand.

...and using a tinfoil beanie, too. I don't like my pants hanging down to the crack of my @$$

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Watch it, it's interesting. One of the best ways to understand an opponent is to read his newspapers.

...assuming one wants to understand "an opponent." I refuse to read the LA TImes and NYT, though I will read the Washington Post, for as long as I can stomach the loaded arguments. I even watch the Communist News Network for time to time.

Moveon.org stuff, though? I'll pass, sir....thanks anyway.

 

[arsbanned]

Why not, I watch Fox News. I read William Safire (who happens to be a comluminst for the NYT, that LIBERAL HOTBED!!! riiiiiight....) on occasion. Avoidance doesn't mean it's not there.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Why not, I watch Fox News. I read William Safire (who happens to be a comluminst for the NYT, that LIBERAL HOTBED!!! riiiiiight....) on occasion. Avoidance doesn't mean it's not there.

Boy, I want to be just like you when I grow up...is that what you want to hear?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Why not, I watch Fox News. I read William Safire (who happens to be a comluminst for the NYT, that LIBERAL HOTBED!!! riiiiiight....) on occasion. Avoidance doesn't mean it's not there.

Boy, I want to be just like you when I grow up...is that what you want to hear?

Well, yes. But only from my kids, and that's scary because I don't have kids yet.

 

[DoubleL]

It is always easy to say this, That or another after the war is over, Now me I would have went sooner

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Nice, the moveon trolls have arrived; there goes the neighborhood.

So you dispute the veracity of the video?

I didn't watch it because 1.) I didn't like the way the original poster prefaced his argument and 2.) I wouldn't watch anything from moveon.org....

You are a disgrace to your nickname and the author who penned it......

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Nice, the moveon trolls have arrived; there goes the neighborhood.

So you dispute the veracity of the video?

I didn't watch it because 1.) I didn't like the way the original poster prefaced his argument and 2.) I wouldn't watch anything from moveon.org....

You are a disgrace to your nickname and the author who penned it......

...and you pretend to know what you are talking about, with regards to the "author who penned it." Mr. Elsworth Toohey.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: josphII
repost and the clip doesnt even point out any contradictions

I'll paraphrase the clip from my memory:

Rummy: "That anyone ever said this threat was imminent is a myth"

Reporter reads two quotes of Rummy saying: 1) Saying threat wasn't imminent may not have been so (how's that for Clintonian jargon)
2) The threat was imminent



The depths some will go to delude themselves is astonishing. It makes me want to be a psychologist.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla


The depths some will go to delude themselves is astonishing.

..like those who tried to "break the bat" with contributions because Dean is the only electable Democrat? ...talk about delusions of grandeur

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Nice, the moveon trolls have arrived; there goes the neighborhood.

Well John, like the poster said its not a MoveOn.org made video, its from Face the Nation.

So here's a transcript (I assume you can read this as its not located on the MoveOn.org server)

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Sec. Rumsfeld: Well, you're the--you and a few other critics are the only people I've heard use the phrase `"immediate threat." I didn't. The president didn't. And, uh, it's become kind of folklore that that's--that's what's happened. The president went...

Schieffer: You're saying that nobody in the administration said that.

Sec. Rumsfeld: I--I can't speak for nobody--everybody in the administration and say nobody said that.

Schieffer: Vice president didn't say that? The...

Sec. Rumsfeld: Not--if--if you have any citations, I'd like to see 'em.

Friedman: We have one here. It says "some have argued that the nu"--this is you speaking--"that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent, that Saddam is at least five to seven years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain."

Sec. Rumsfeld: And--and...

Friedman: It was close to imminent.

Sec. Rumsfeld: Well, I've--I've tried to be precise, and I've tried to be accurate. I'm s--suppose I've...

Friedman: "No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world and the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."

Sec. Rumsfeld: Mm-hmm. It--my view of--of the situation was that he--he had--we--we believe, the best intelligence that we had and other countries had and that--that we believed and we still do not know--we will know

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

The depths some will go to delude themselves is astonishing.

..like those who tried to "break the bat" with contributions because Dean is the only electable Democrat? ...talk about delusions of grandeur

Notice Galt doesn't ever read or listen to anything that might challenge his perceptions? And when someone calls him on it... he changes the subject! How conservative!

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

The depths some will go to delude themselves is astonishing.

..like those who tried to "break the bat" with contributions because Dean is the only electable Democrat? ...talk about delusions of grandeur

Notice Galt doesn't ever read or listen to anything that might challenge his perceptions? And when someone calls him on it... he changes the subject! How conservative!

Yup, he's a dick that way.