Rumour: AMDs 8core "Bullsharks" coming close to Gulftown.

[grimpr]

Rumour: AMDs 8core "Bullsharks" coming close 6core Core i7 Gulftown in performance.

http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/21512-bulldozer-to-come-close-to-core-i7

We have some good news for everyone who would like to see AMD make a big comeback in style.

Since the time when Athlon used to be a high-end brand, and by that we mean the good old K8 core, it's been a while since AMD had a high end part capable of competing with Intel on a par.

However, initial test scores that slipped to a hands of industry source are suggesting that Bulldozer should come really close to new Core i7 six-core CPUs. Bulldozer has both six and eight cores in the pipeline and they should be launching before the end of Q2 2011, at least that is the current schedule.

The performance of Bulldozer should come really close to Core i7, but we don't know if this might be enough to take Intel's high end market dominance. Samples of Bulldozer are out for a while now and the full production should start as soon as this quarter.

Sources are suggesting that and yields should be quite good and that the chip is doing just fine in 32nm. One thing is certain, even if Core i7 remains faster, Bulldozer X8 and X6 parts should end up way cheaper. It looks like AMD will finally give Intel a run for its money.

 

[frostedflakes]

Honestly this doesn't sound like that big of an improvement. I mean if there's little IPC increase and the only real performance increase from Bulldozer is due to it having two more cores than current Phenom II X6, that will be seriously disappointing. Hopefully this isn't the case, though. Am really anxious for these things to finally be released and see some actual performance numbers from major tech sites.

Isn't Intel releasing 6 core and 8 core Sandy Bridge in Q3 2011? Or were 8 core products server only?

 

[Idontcare]

Close in what? IPC? Clockspeed? Both? And is this serial or embarrassingly multi-threaded apps?

Am I the only one that reads "BullShark" and thinks "BullSh!t"?

 

[grimpr]

I dont have any problem with that since the 8core 16MB Cache "Bullshark" from AMD comes with a die size a little larger than a quad core Sandy Bridge.

 

[sandorski]

Honestly this doesn't sound like that big of an improvement. I mean if there's little IPC increase and the only real performance increase from Bulldozer is due to it having two more cores than current Phenom II X6, that will be seriously disappointing. Hopefully this isn't the case, though. Am really anxious for these things to finally be released and see some actual performance numbers from major tech sites.

Isn't Intel releasing 6 core and 8 core Sandy Bridge in Q3 2011? Or were 8 core products server only?

Price/Performance would still play a role, then there are the inherent advantages to having more real Cores in certain situations. Clearly being superior to what Intel offers is preferable, but being on par(ish) is an improvement.

 

[Riek]

Honestly this doesn't sound like that big of an improvement. I mean if there's little IPC increase and the only real performance increase from Bulldozer is due to it having two more cores than current Phenom II X6, that will be seriously disappointing. Hopefully this isn't the case, though. Am really anxious for these things to finally be released and see some actual performance numbers from major tech sites.

Isn't Intel releasing 6 core and 8 core Sandy Bridge in Q3 2011? Or were 8 core products server only?

well the module was released to compete with HT. we are talking about 4 modules/8T competing with an gullftown 6C/12T in unknown workloads, with an unknown revision, unknown clockspeed and unknown turboboost feature. If it is multithreading this result is excellent, especially with the worse scaling for the module compared to 2 seperate cores, if it is single threading everything depends on the clock speeds (because SB is here faster than gulftown).

 

[richierich1212]

well we have until end of Q2 to see how well BD performs. I'm hoping it competes nicely.

 

[frostedflakes]

well the module was released to compete with HT. we are talking about 4 modules/8T competing with an gullftown 6C/12T in unknown workloads, with an unknown revision, unknown clockspeed and unknown turboboost feature. If it is multithreading this result is excellent, especially with the worse scaling for the module compared to 2 seperate cores, if it is single threading everything depends on the clock speeds (because SB is here faster than gulftown).

That's a good point and something I didn't think about. I always confuse myself with Bulldozer modules, I was thinking it was 8C/16T. If it's 4C/8T competing with Gulftown, that does sound pretty impressive.

 

[RyanGreener]

Let's hope it comes close due to IPC, not just more cores.

 

[magomago]

lol we'll see....

anyways even if performance is close, i don't expect a price war or anything. Look at how cheap i2500 an i2600 are already. bulldozer, assuming it matches gulfdown, will be about 10% slower....and will probably be priced accordingly. and is it in apps that tend towards parallelization, or are we talking about heavily serialized apps?

but until there are any leaked numbers, i don't believe the most generic of rumors lol.

 

[Castiel]

As much as I love clockspeed. Id be happy if sandy bridge had double the ipc and could only hit 4ghz

 

[RyanGreener]

but until there are any leaked numbers, i don't believe the most generic of rumors lol.

Yeah, definitely waiting on the #'s. But at least this gives us something to talk about...

 

[Castiel]

Meyer gets forced out yesterday and now bd gets close to gulftown. What amazing timing

 

[stahlhart]

I'll bet they ran the tests on Duke Nukem Forever and Black Mesa.

 

[Rubycon]

LOL 8 cores to "approach" six core in performance does not sound like IPC match unless AMD is stuck in 2GHz land. A rumor is just that though. Does not sound like they have anything revolutionary if that's the case. Gulftown is over a year old now (comparing ES to ES - if you can get BD ES chips yet?!)...

 

[Zargon]

LOL 8 cores to "approach" six core in performance does not sound like IPC match unless AMD is stuck in 2GHz land. A rumor is just that though. Does not sound like they have anything revolutionary if that's the case. Gulftown is over a year old now (comparing ES to ES - if you can get BD ES chips yet?!)...

not to mention the 2600K is benching with/above the core i6 extreme 6 core.....

 

[RyanGreener]

Gulftown 6 cores have hyperthreading, so technically it's not really a "6 core" (or at least it's not to me), but honestly, I'm glad that they can have near the performance of it seeing as right now, they're processors aren't any faster than some of the "value" stuff by Intel. Hopefully, AMD can make up for it in someway, either by cost or OCability.

Oh well, let's just hope for competition.

 

[Zstream]

LOL 8 cores to "approach" six core in performance does not sound like IPC match unless AMD is stuck in 2GHz land. A rumor is just that though. Does not sound like they have anything revolutionary if that's the case. Gulftown is over a year old now (comparing ES to ES - if you can get BD ES chips yet?!)...

We've been over this over and over. It's getting quite old if you want to stir some more crap.

You're comparing a six core, twelve threaded processor vs an outright four core, eight module processor.

 

[Rubycon]

We've been over this over and over. It's getting quite old if you want to stir some more crap.

You're comparing a six core, twelve threaded processor vs an outright four core, eight module processor.

I didn't the OP did - read as in Gulftown.

 

[grimpr]

I didn't, Fuad did.

 

[notty22]

I didn't, Fuad did.

And Fuad didn't say it, he heard it from a friend who heard from a industry source who heard it from a guy named Hank !
lol, sounds like more hit whoring, at its finest.

 

[magomago]

And Fuad didn't say it, he heard it from a friend who heard from a industry source who heard it from a guy named Hank !
lol, sounds like more hit whoring, at its finest.

No no listen, its a good friend of mine and we had this discussion two weeks ago, trust me


:sneaky:

 

[Castiel]

No no listen, its a good friend of mine and we had this discussion two weeks ago, trust me


:sneaky:

Wonder if it's the same guy saying that there are so many K chip's failing from overvoltage.

 

[Hacp]

LOL 8 cores to "approach" six core in performance does not sound like IPC match unless AMD is stuck in 2GHz land. A rumor is just that though. Does not sound like they have anything revolutionary if that's the case. Gulftown is over a year old now (comparing ES to ES - if you can get BD ES chips yet?!)...

Price Performance is more important than IPC.

 

[Edrick]

We've been over this over and over. It's getting quite old if you want to stir some more crap.

You're comparing a six core, twelve threaded processor vs an outright four core, eight module processor.

I thought it was a 4 module, 8 core processor? From all I read on BD, I thought it was supposed to be a true 8 thread processor (not using HT any anything of the such). So based on that info, one could say that you are comparing a 8C no HT CPU to a 6C with HT CPU.

In any case, it is nice to seem AMD finally competing with Gulftown. Maybe this will help bring down prices. Just too bad AMD is late to the party. SB-E looks like it will be king (if rumors hold true).