Rumors of Prepaid iPhone

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

mammador

Platinum Member
Dec 9, 2010
2,120
1
76
Stop with the market share BS.
Apple never had the dominant market share and they don't need to.
Android can have the market share all they want.
Apple is making profits where it counts.
iPhones are a premium brand and they should leave it as that.
iPhones have been entrenched in alot of people's mind as the phone to get every year.
I don't see this successful formula ever changing.

And stop comparing the mac vs pc.
Unlike Mac, Apple has an ecosystem that will always be there.

To me, the way market share is calculated is odd. It's often done via OS, and not firm, which makes no sense. PCs are totalled by firm, and not OS. Android has the bulk, but many phones from numerous providers use Android. So you get the Motorolas, Samsungs, the new Google phone, LG, etc. all lumped in one. In terms of the company producing handsets, I'm sure Apple is top, or at least challenging the market leader strongly.

I doubt Jobs gives a shit frankly. The iPhone is cemented as the smartphone of choice. Samsung, HTC, etc. make excellent phones, but the average Joe wouldn't know what the Galaxy S is or the Desire, compared to the iPhone, unless he was a regular user of computers.
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
36,041
472
126
To me, the way market share is calculated is odd. It's often done via OS, and not firm, which makes no sense. PCs are totalled by firm, and not OS. Android has the bulk, but many phones from numerous providers use Android. So you get the Motorolas, Samsungs, the new Google phone, LG, etc. all lumped in one. In terms of the company producing handsets, I'm sure Apple is top, or at least challenging the market leader strongly.

I doubt Jobs gives a shit frankly. The iPhone is cemented as the smartphone of choice. Samsung, HTC, etc. make excellent phones, but the average Joe wouldn't know what the Galaxy S is or the Desire, compared to the iPhone, unless he was a regular user of computers.

How is it odd? You go by the platform. Nothing new.
 

cbn

Lifer
Mar 27, 2009
12,968
221
106
The only issue I have with not subsidizing phones in the US is the fact that no carriers (other than T-Mo) offer any type of discount if you bring your own phone. It doesn't make sense to not accept any type of subsidy if the cost of service will remain the same.

Now if I could get 300 minutes, unlimited text & data for $40/month (forget $20) then I'd be all over paying full price for the phone.

So, I'm with it in theory (and it should happen for the rest of the world, absolutely) but here in the US all it would do is pad the carriers coffers as opposed to my own.

Yup, from the quote in post #20:

The subsidy scam in the west is as follows: You have no choice but to get a subsidized phone. Very simply because the carriers don't offer any subscriptions that don't include paying back the subsidy - so if you bring your own phone, you lose.

But maybe Apple is planning to do something different? Maybe the iOS software/hardware will be based more on having intermittent Wifi and running apps offline than Cloud?

If that is true, then any of the truly lowend Prepaid services should work in a pinch. I am interested to see what the Apple engineers come up with? Can they break us from the carriers? Or will Cloud OS/full data ultimately be the future? (I am just at the beginning of learning more about this topic)
 

Puddle Jumper

Platinum Member
Nov 4, 2009
2,835
1
0
Yep, that is a really good point you are making although I don't know how much of Apple's profits come from device vs app store sales.

I have read that Apple does better than Android on app store profits. Which makes me wonder how Apple would proceed with a cheaper "iphone mini/nano"?

Back in 2009 Cortex A5 "Sparrow" was released from ARM. According to this article and others it has great potential.

ARMSlide1.jpg


ARMSlide2.jpg


However, as of today ARM has only announced one company licensing the stock core. I suspect this has to do with the economics of putting a low profit design on 40nm. (Android handset makers don't money from app store sales so I would assume they would avoid low profit designs during this time of intense competition.)

But is there a chance Apple could be using some version of the core, but ARM is not announcing it?

Apple would probably use something along those lines if they do make a cheaper iPhone.

Personally I don't see A5 based phones being successful in the US though, you can easily find Cortex A8 or Snapdragon based phones that are nearly twice as fast for free or nearly free on contract.
 

akugami

Diamond Member
Feb 14, 2005
6,210
2,551
136
To me, the way market share is calculated is odd. It's often done via OS, and not firm, which makes no sense. PCs are totalled by firm, and not OS. Android has the bulk, but many phones from numerous providers use Android. So you get the Motorolas, Samsungs, the new Google phone, LG, etc. all lumped in one. In terms of the company producing handsets, I'm sure Apple is top, or at least challenging the market leader strongly.

I doubt Jobs gives a shit frankly. The iPhone is cemented as the smartphone of choice. Samsung, HTC, etc. make excellent phones, but the average Joe wouldn't know what the Galaxy S is or the Desire, compared to the iPhone, unless he was a regular user of computers.

Not that odd. The mobile OS front is a hot battlefront at the moment. It's the wild west of computing pretty much. While Android and iOS are currently in the lead it's still hotly contested. For that purpose they're lumping it by OS whereas in the desktop/laptop computing markets it's pretty much a Windows only world with Linux and MacOS making up less than 20%, hell probably less than 15%. When you sell a desktop or laptop, it's pretty much assumed you're selling a Windows machine.
 

cbn

Lifer
Mar 27, 2009
12,968
221
106
Another article on the mini iphone. (revamped MobileMe mentioned)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704657104576142262842435544.html

Apple Inc. is working on the first of a new line of less-expensive iPhones and an overhaul of software services for the devices, people familiar with the matter said, moving to accelerate sales of its smartphones amid growing competition.

Apple is preparing to roll out a series of lower-priced iPhones to compete with other smartphones on the market. The new models will run about half the cost of existing iPhones.

One of the people, who saw a prototype of the phone late last year, said it is intended for sale alongside Apple's existing line. The new device would be about half the size of the iPhone 4, which is the current model.

The new phone—one of its code names is N97—would be available to carriers at about half the price of the main iPhones. That would allow carriers to subsidize most or all of the retail price, putting the iPhone in the same mass-market price range as rival smartphones, the person said. Apple currently sells iPhones to carriers for $625 each on average. With carrier subsidies, consumers can buy iPhones for as little as $199 with a two-year contract.

Where the new line would be introduced couldn't be learned, but Apple recently has released products first in the U.S. and a few other markets before rolling out the devices more broadly.

Three weeks into his medical leave, Apple CEO Steve Jobs is staying closely involved in the company's decisions and product development, Yukari Kane reports.

Apple also is exploring a major revamp of its MobileMe online storage service, the people familiar with the matter said. The service, which lets users store data in a central location and synchronize their calendars and contacts among computers and other devices, currently has an individual annual subscription fee of $99. Apple is considering making MobileMe a free service that would serve as a "locker" for personal memorabilia such as photos, music and videos, eliminating the need for devices to carry a lot of memory, the people familiar with the situation said.

MobileMe, part of an industry wave known as cloud computing, also could become a focal point for a new online music service that Apple has been developing for more than a year, the people said. Social networking would be another key component, one of the people said.

MobileMe and the new line of iPhones are among the top priorities of Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs, one of the people said. Though Mr. Jobs, 55 years old, went on medical leave for an undisclosed health issue last month, he has been closely involved in the development efforts, the person said.

The new line of iPhones and the revamped MobileMe are intended for release this summer, though those plans could change, the person said.
Timeline: Jobs & Apple

Mr. Jobs by email declined comment. An Apple spokeswoman also declined comment.

Bloomberg News reported earlier that Apple was working on a smaller, less-expensive iPhone.

Apple's work on the iPhone and MobileMe come as the cellphone market is heating up. Nokia Corp. last week said it would adopt Microsoft Corp,'s Windows Phone as the Finnish company's main smartphone operating system. Hewlett - Packard Co. meanwhile unveiled a tablet computer and smartphones based on a platform the company acquired last year.

Cellphone makers are expected to introduce an array of new models at an industry conference this week in Barcelona. Many of them will likely run on Google Inc.'s Android operating system. Research company IDC expects global sales of smartphones to rise 39% this year to 421 million units.

The iPhone has led much of the cellphone industry's innovation, and 84.2 million units have been sold since the device was introduced in 2007. Still, the iPhone's industry-wide global market share was just 3.4% last year, according to IDC, in part because of the device's higher price compared with many other phones.


IPhones nevertheless are critical for Apple, generating 39% of the $26.7 billion in company revenue for the latest quarter. Apple last week began selling its iPhone 4 through Verizon Wireless, a move that could add seven to 13 million units in sales this year, according to analysts. The carrier is a joint venture of Vodafone Group PLC and Verizon Communications Inc.

The person who saw the prototype of the new iPhone said the device was significantly lighter than the iPhone 4 and had an edge-to-edge screen that could be manipulated by touch, as well as a virtual keyboard and voice-based navigation. The person said Apple, based in Cupertino, Calif., also plans to upgrade the iPhone 4.

The new MobileMe file-storage and music service could be available as early as June, depending on the progress of licensing talks that are in their preliminary stages, the people familiar with the situation said. Apple had planned for the service to roll out a year earlier.

The new service would give users access to their iTunes libraries from, say, an iPhone or iPad, instead of requiring that the devices be synced by cable with a computer and use space to store the actual files, the people said. The new service likely would be compatible with the iPhone 4, one of the people said.

Some MobileMe features, such as a service that locates lost or stolen iPads and iPhones, already are free.
 

Phynaz

Lifer
Mar 13, 2006
10,140
819
126
How is it odd? You go by the platform. Nothing new.

Platform is defined as the combination of hardware and software that an application runs on, not just the OS.

If you use platform as a market share indicator, Apple would be on top.
 

cbn

Lifer
Mar 27, 2009
12,968
221
106
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/technology/18apple.html?_r=2

Apple Is Weighing a Cheaper iPhone
By MIGUEL HELFT and NICK BILTON
Published: February 17, 2011

SAN FRANCISCO — Apple has been exploring ways to broaden the appeal of the iPhone by making the popular device less expensive and allowing users to control it with voice commands.
Enlarge This Image
Spencer Platt/Getty Images

Customers waited in line to buy the latest iPhone at the flagship Apple store in New York in June.

But contrary to published reports, Apple is not currently developing a smaller iPhone, according to people briefed on Apple’s plans who requested anonymity because the plans are confidential.

Apple’s engineers are currently focused on finishing the next version of the iPhone, which is likely to be similar in size to the current iPhone 4, said one of the people. The person said Apple was not planning to introduce a smaller iPhone any time soon. Analysts expect the new iPhone to be ready this summer.

Another person who is in direct contact with Apple also said that the company would not make a smaller iPhone at this time, in part because a smaller device would not necessarily be much cheaper to manufacture and because it would be more difficult to operate.

More important, a phone with a smaller screen would force many developers to rewrite their apps, which Apple wants to avoid, the person said.

Steven P. Jobs, Apple’s chief executive, appeared to reinforce that last point recently when he praised the iPhone’s uniformity, contrasting it with phones based on Google’s Android software, which come in many formats.


“We think Android is very, very fragmented and getting more fragmented by the day,” Mr. Jobs told financial analysts in October. “We think this is a huge strength of our approach compared to Google’s.”

Another senior Apple executive said during a private meeting recently that it did not make sense for the company to make multiple iPhone models, noting that Apple would stick with its practice of dropping the price of older models when it introduced a new one.

The iPhone 3GS is now available for $49 with a two-year contract that helps subsidize the price of the device in the United States.

As part of its effort to find new customers for the iPhone, Apple plans to make it easier to operate the device through voice commands, removing an obstacle for people who do not like using a virtual keyboard, said another person with knowledge of Apple’s plans.

Apple is also considering changing internal components of the device to bring costs down. “Although the innards of the phone, including memory size or camera quality, could change to offer a less expensive model, the size of the device would not vary,” said the person, who has worked on multiple versions of the device.

Another person with knowledge of Apple’s plans said that the company was actively building a more versatile version of its MobileMe service, which allows users to store music, photos and files online and have them accessible on all their devices.

The current version of MobileMe, which costs $100 a year, has failed to catch on with consumers. Rivals like Google and others offer similar services free.

The new version of MobileMe is expected to be free and would allow users to synch their files without using a cable.

“The goal is that your photos and other media content will eventually just sync across all your Apple devices without people having to do anything,” the person said. If more iPhone users stored files online, Apple could make cheaper devices with less storage. Flash storage is one of the iPhone’s most expensive components.

Apple has dominated the high end of the smartphone market, but the company is facing increasing competition from devices running Google’s Android, which collectively outsell the iPhone. Analysts said it would make sense for Apple to introduce a cheaper iPhone, especially in overseas markets where carriers do not subsidize handsets. Unsubsidized handsets are often called “prepaid.”

“If they are going to be a player in the global market they have to have a prepaid option,” said Gene Munster, an analyst with Piper Jaffray. But Mr. Munster said that to be successful, a prepaid iPhone would have to be able to run the more than 300,000 apps available in the App Store.

A. M. Sacconaghi Jr., an analyst with Sanford C. Bernstein & Company, said that a low-priced iPhone could help Apple expand its unit sales of the device sixfold.

In recent days, some published reports, citing anonymous sources, said that Apple was building a smaller iPhone. One report gave the code name of the project as N97. Several people with knowledge of Apple’s plans said that N97 was the code name for the Verizon iPhone 4, which was introduced this month.

I'm not sure if any of this information contradicts the article in post #31.

If iphone mini has "edge to edge glass" couldn't the resolution and screen size be the same as a fullsize phone?
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
36,041
472
126
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/technology/18apple.html?_r=2



I'm not sure if any of this information contradicts the article in post #31.

If iphone mini has "edge to edge glass" couldn't the resolution and screen size be the same as a fullsize phone?

They could just make the rez of the iPhone "Mini" the rez of the older iPhones. I'm sure they still have a large stockpile of those screens. Keep the newer iPhone the new rez and let the Mini have the old rez. I think tha'd work out fine seeing as there's really no big problems running 99% of apps on a 3GS.
 

kaerflog

Golden Member
Jul 23, 2010
1,899
4
76
They could just make the rez of the iPhone "Mini" the rez of the older iPhones. I'm sure they still have a large stockpile of those screens. Keep the newer iPhone the new rez and let the Mini have the old rez. I think tha'd work out fine seeing as there's really no big problems running 99% of apps on a 3GS.

Little off topic but when rumors of a diffrent size screen from Apple(4"), newbies start talking about developers rewriting softwares for the screen size.
WTF, doesn't matter what the screen size is, as long as the resolution is the same, it doesn't change anything.
I would love to see a 4" iPhone from Apple with the same 960x640 res and they could make their low-end edge-to-edge 3.5" with the old 480x320 res.
 

kaerflog

Golden Member
Jul 23, 2010
1,899
4
76
They could just make the rez of the iPhone "Mini" the rez of the older iPhones. I'm sure they still have a large stockpile of those screens. Keep the newer iPhone the new rez and let the Mini have the old rez. I think tha'd work out fine seeing as there's really no big problems running 99% of apps on a 3GS.

Yeah, actually some games run smoother on the 3GS than the IP4 because of the lower resolution.
Lets golf 2 has alot of hiccups when I'm playing on the IP4 vs the 3GS.
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
36,041
472
126
Little off topic but when rumors of a diffrent size screen from Apple(4"), newbies start talking about developers rewriting softwares for the screen size.
WTF, doesn't matter what the screen size is, as long as the resolution is the same, it doesn't change anything.
I would love to see a 4" iPhone from Apple with the same 960x640 res and they could make their low-end edge-to-edge 3.5" with the old 480x320 res.

Yea screen size doesn't if the rez is the same unless the screen size is really tiny.