Rumors of Intel buying AMD are being taken very seriously...

[Fx1]

You mix apples and oranges again. There is nothing in the EU anticompetition law that will hinder a takeover as such. x86 is not the only CPU uarch out there.

Also you forget the basics of the mergers you mention. Tmobile and Orange sat on 2 licenses after the merger. So its natural that they need to give up one. Thats nothing special in that, so dont try and bend the reality there.

BT got the coppernetwork for free, just like TDC and others. Hence why a government regulatory sets the wholesale prices on the network.

No it didnt get the copper wire for free at all. BT have always owned it since it was public owned.

BT also invested its own money in exchange technology and cabinets they built for their broadband network. When BT was privatised there was no Broadband. The UK and EU forced BT to open its network to competitors.

Why are you still talking about x86 vs ARM vs who ever? Its not relevant.

Whats important is that inside your laptop is an X86 Intel or AMD CPU. For this reason alone they wont allow the purchase. Then there is the enterprise sector and their workstations and laptops which yet again ALL work on windows x86. No way will governments allow intel to have 100% of this market. Then there is the server market with IBM quitting x86... Intel yet again wont be allowed to own the entire market.

 

[ShintaiDK]

No it didnt get the copper wire for free at all. BT have always owned it since it was public owned.

BT also invested its own money in exchange technology and cabinets they built for their broadband network. When BT was privatised there was no Broadband. The UK and EU forced BT to open its network to competitors.

Why are you still talking about x86 vs ARM vs who ever? Its not relevant.

Whats important is that inside your laptop is an X86 Intel or AMD CPU. For this reason alone they wont allow the purchase. Then there is the enterprise sector and their workstations and laptops which yet again ALL work on windows x86. No way will governments allow intel to have 100% of this market. Then there is the server market with IBM quitting x86... Intel yet again wont be allowed to own the entire market.

BT got it for free during the privatisation. Just like TDC and others.

You seem way too fixated on x86. Is there anything that stops you from buying an ARM based laptop for example? And Intel already sits on some 96-97% of the server and workstation segment in x86.

AMD is now down to some 14% overall marketshare and dropping fast. AMD is simply unable to compete. And we will have a 28nm vs 14nm battle next year. In this case, the socalled "competition" is no good for anyone.

 

[Fx1]

BT got it for free during the privatisation. Just like TDC and others.

You seem way too fixated on x86. Is there anything that stops you from buying an ARM based laptop?

Yes.

The fact that ARM doesnt support windows. Also i have yet to see an ARM laptop for sale anywhere.

There are many applications for work and home use which only work on x86 windows. Many companies and people are stuck with Windows XP because they are not supported on later versions of the OS.

This means that you have to purchase x86 based laptops often based on old OS's and applications.

Government systems are prime examples of this.

I stake £1000 that Intel will never buy AMD.

 

[blackened23]

So, FX1, would you prefer for AMD to be bought out or go bankrupt? Increasingly it seems that you prefer the latter.

 

[Fx1]

So, FX1, would you prefer for AMD to be bought out or go bankrupt? Increasingly it seems that you prefer the latter.

Bankrupcy is fine.

ATI will be sold to someone with money.

X86 licence will pass to someone else without a ton of debt such as qualcomm and take on the staff and make a real intel competitor in x86.

but it would be better for AMD to succeed.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The fact that ARM doesnt support windows.

What do you call WinRT?

Also i have yet to see an ARM laptop for sale anywhere.

Like this for example? If you dont want tablet/laptop hybrids.
http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/samsung-chromebook.html#specs

There are many applications for work and home use which only work on x86 windows. Many companies and people are stuck with Windows XP because they are not supported on later versions of the OS.

This means that you have to purchase x86 based laptops often based on old OS's and applications.

Government systems are prime examples of this.

I stake £1000 that Intel will never buy AMD.

And many business applications are starting to become cloud only. Meaning the OS dependency is gone. Even Exchange is headed to cloud only. Because thats how the companies make more money 😉

And nobody is stuck on WindowsXP due to compability.

 

[blackened23]

Bankrupcy is fine.


it would be better for AMD to succeed.

LOL, just LOL at these two contradictory statements. I don't think you understand the ramifications of bankruptcy.

ATI will be sold to someone with money.

Nope, ATI isn't ATI anymore, they're part of AMD - and all of their IP will be sold for pennies. Perhaps to nvidia? Who knows. Either way, bankruptcy is the worst possible outcome in every way if you want AMD's graphics technology to live on in spirit. I like AMD graphics and would like for them to soldier on, however the unfortunate truth is their CPU division isn't producing the results necessary to keep the company afloat. Personally I think AMD being acquired would not be a negative outcome and would have no effect on myself as a consumer - and they can make good use of AMD's graphics technology, which is actually the biggest asset AMD has right now.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Bankrupcy is fine.

ATI will be sold to someone with money.

X86 licence will pass to someone else without a ton of debt such as qualcomm and take on the staff and make a real intel competitor in x86.

but it would be better for AMD to succeed.

ATI mayt or may not be sold. It may simply get its IP sold and put in a drawer to sell individually to others. I actually cant imagine the ATI part of AMD continuing after being bankrupt. A bankrupt AMD is a welcome to nVidia cards only.

x86 will not pass to someone else. Plenty of companies already got one. But there is simply no money in it. You forgot the business side of the concept...again.

 

[Fx1]

What do you call WinRT?



Like this for example? If you dont want tablet/laptop hybrids.
http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/samsung-chromebook.html#specs



And many business applications are starting to become cloud only. Meaning the OS dependency is gone. Even Exchange is headed to cloud only. Because thats how the companies make more money 😉

I call WinRT a failure and a joke that will never sell. Whats the point in windows that cant even run x86 programs.

Also Chromebooks cant run x86 programs.

And no this cloud thing isnt becoming normal at all. Have you ever actually worked for a real corporation? Most still use Lotus Notes for email services.. Outlook? i wish! Cloud? dream on.

The world revolves on x86 and windows. Work is done on laptops and desktops based on windows and x86.

come back to me when the world revolves around ARM and Android OS or Chrome and then we can talk about it.

 

[NTMBK]

What do you call WinRT?

An abomination!

 

[Fx1]

Also lets get something right here.

This rumour is from a FINANCIAL ANAL-ARTIST. Hes driving up the value of AMD shares for a big sell off.

And you guys of this forum are buying up this rumour like its actually possible. No one has ever even hinted that intel wants to buy AMD or that it would be even allowed.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I call WinRT a failure and a joke that will never sell. Whats the point in windows that cant even run x86 programs.

Also Chromebooks cant run x86 programs.

And no this cloud thing isnt becoming normal at all. Have you ever actually worked for a real corporation? Most still use Lotus Notes for email services.. Outlook? i wish! Cloud? dream on.

The world revolves on x86 and windows. Work is done on laptops and desktops based on windows and x86.

come back to me when the world revolves around ARM and Android OS or Chrome and then we can talk about it.

Yes, I actually work for a large multinational company.

Most uses Lotus Notes? Lotus Notes is close to exstint. Exchange won that battle over 10 years ago.

Again, you are too fixated on x86.

 

[blackened23]

This rumour is from a FINANCIAL ANAL-ARTIST.

😕

 

[Fx1]

Yes, I actually work for a large multinational company.

Most uses Lotus Notes? Lotus Notes is close to exstint. Exchange won that battle over 10 years ago.

Again, you are too fixated on x86.

Its not extinct.

You know Mars the company who employs like 100k people world wide? They use Lotus Notes.

Heineken? Lotus notes.

I know of many more.

im fixed on x86 because x86 is more than an architecture its an entire global economy which is based on x86. Its every company every classroom every home PC its epic.

Arm doesnt even come into it.

 

[Fx1]

😕

Financial analysts - ie bankers - ie born liars - ie - the reason the whole economy blew up a few years ago.

Is now saying intel wants to buy AMD? hmm yeh right. The same people who said Apple stock was going to $1000 per share... its now $400?

 

[Genx87]

Its not extinct.

You know Mars the company who employs like 100k people world wide? They use Lotus Notes.

Heineken? Lotus notes.

I know of many more.

im fixed on x86 because x86 is more than an architecture its an entire global economy which is based on x86. Its every company every classroom every home PC its epic.

Arm doesnt even come into it.

x86 is a stagnating\shrinking market. Same with Lotus or should I say IBM Notes.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Its not extinct.

You know Mars the company who employs like 100k people world wide? They use Lotus Notes.

Heineken? Lotus notes.

I know of many more.

im fixed on x86 because x86 is more than an architecture its an entire global economy which is based on x86. Its every company every classroom every home PC its epic.

Arm doesnt even come into it.

Yes and Coca Cola, Siemens etc uses Exchange. Utterly useless information in the overall scheme of things.

ARM is also in every single company and classroom. Did you forget that?

 

[Phynaz]

Wow, Fx1 is going in so many circles I think he's lost himself.

 

[Fx1]

Yes and Coca Cola, Siemens etc uses Exchange. Utterly useless information in the overall scheme of things.

ARM is also in every single company and classroom. Did you forget that?

Yes as supplementary devices and phones.

X86 systems are still the backbone of every country on the planet. Both business and Personal.

You forget that EU doesnt care about x86 Vs Arm. X86 is its own market and thats the way they will look at it.

 

[Fx1]

Wow, Fx1 is going in so many circles I think he's lost himself.

Let me clear it up for you.

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Is that clear enough?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yes as supplementary devices and phones.

X86 systems are still the backbone of every country on the planet. Both business and Personal.

You forget that EU doesnt care about x86 Vs Arm. X86 is its own market and thats the way they will look at it.

So if AMD is not delivering competition and its headed into a possible bankruptcy. What would it serve to not let Intel buy it?

And the cost of manufactoring and development is rising rapidly as well. So its not like there is room anyway for the competition you dream of.

Your logic is to let it go bankrupt with all its consequences instead of a buyup before its too late.

You keep mentioning the EU. Yet you seem to have no knowledge at all what the anticompetition laws actually say. Please try and read up on them a bit before using it as some kind of argumention shield.

It is also clearly defined back in the rome treaty.

 

[Broheim]

im fixed on x86 because x86 is more than an architecture its an entire global economy which is based on x86. Its every company every classroom every home PC its epic.

someone call IBM and tell them to shut down every mainframe, we'll see how the global economy gets along without them.

 

[Fx1]

So if AMD is not delivering competition and its headed into a possible bankruptcy. What would it serve to not let Intel buy it?

And the cost of manufactoring and development is rising rapidly as well. So its not like there is room anyway for the competition you dream of.

Your logic is to let it go bankrupt with all its consequences instead of a buyup before its too late.

You keep mentioning the EU. Yet you seem to have no knowledge at all what the anticompetition laws actually say. Please try and read up on them a bit before using it as some kind of argumention shield.

It is also clearly defined back in the rome treaty.

First of all AMD is competing. Why do you think you need to have the fastest to compete. They have the cheapest. This is competition working.

Also stop quoting anti competitive laws from the EU. The EU often stops purchases going ahead to maintain competition in the market.

Also AMD isnt goint bankrupt at the moment.

This is the EU doing exactly what im talking about

http://www.securitiestechnologymoni...tops-deutsche-boerse-nyse-merger-29941-1.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/jul/05/eu.globalisation

http://www.shippingonline.cn/news/newsContent.asp?id=26270

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...EU-blocks-Ryanair-takeover-of-Aer-Lingus.html

 

[AustinInDallas]

i wish i would have gotten in at the begining of this pump and dump

 

[scannall]

This has the look and feel of stock market manipulation to me.