[Rumor (Various)] AMD R7/9 3xx / Fiji / Fury

[sm625]

the efficiency gains AMD appears to have made are more important IMO than HBM for Fury's success.

Well, I'm sure a large part of the efficiency gains come from using HBM...

 

[Headfoot]

So can we officially add perf/watt to FCAT results to the list of things that no longer matter?

Yeah, but don't be surprised if FCAT matters again as soon as NV moves off of SLI Bridges to a "revolutionary", "game changing" renamed XDMA PCIe only protocol -- and Perf/Watt will matter if NV gets to 16nm first, but it won't matter if AMD gets to 16nm first.

But yeah, perf/watt doesn't matter now. As was imminently predictable. More likely I suspect we'll see more folks saying "Perf watt always mattered!!1!!1!1!!" when they literally never made mention of it ever before Maxwell's release, rewriting history

Phases of bad-faith argumentation: 1) My position is X. 2) Position X is unfavorable, Position Y is shown as favorable. 3) I always believed position Y. There is no getting a bad faith arguer to admit they were wrong.

 

[Zstream]

Performance/watt will only be more dominant in the future. Its the most important metric to aim for.

I wouldn't say it's the most important metric to aim for. I mean look at the CPU space, perf/watt has hit a standstill outside of the mobile space.

 

[exar333]

I think you mean it depends on the game because the card isn't just going to use that much less for one person versus another. We'll find out when nano releases, but if it actually uses 175 W during heavy gaming, it will use less than a 980.

True enough, definitely looking forward to seeing some reviews.

The big advantage will be the 4GB HBM vs. 4GB GDDR5. Advantage Nano.

 

[sm625]

Apparently that Far Cry 4 4K benchmark blowout has caught the eyes of wall street. The breakout pattern I was seeing last week has materialized into a somewhat decent move today. My AMD July 2.50 calls have doubled.

 

[bryanW1995]

So a question for you guys, I have never installed any wc cards before so I just buy and install it like regular cards? (maybe sounds like a weird question though 🙂 )

It is a closed loop, the only weird thing about the install is that you have to install the 120mm fan into your case somewhere (preferably as an exhaust fan... )

What does the asterisk mean?

That slide is very popular here. :biggrin:

I think the small print is down on the right but not enough pixels. Probably says something like internal testing subject to change without notice performance is not final consult your local AMD rep. Or something.

Either that, or it's "Ultra settings except that one setting that we turned down to low resolution graphics".

 

[frozentundra123456]

They say up to 2x. And we all know what that means. Kepler->Maxwell was the same.

Also remember Nano is a 600mm2 die. I am pretty sure you can also make a GTX980Ti perform like a GTX980 at 125W or so. Intel did the exact same thing with underclocked GT3 in some SKUs that performed like GT2 SKUs. Just with much lower power consumption. Just throw more lower clocked transistors at the problem. Works great in GPUs in performance/watt metric.

Just what I was going to say. I just looked at the slide carefully and saw the "up to" qualifier, so that could mean anything really. But it does look like AMD is improving efficiency a lot, which is definitely a step in the right direction. Again though, lets see exactly how that translates to real world gaming benchmarks, and if the efficiency gain is across the entire lineup or just on the new cards with HBM.

I also want to see some benchmarks on memory usage with HBM. In all the excitement we seem to have forgotten that the Fury X has only 4gb, and nVidia was crucified endlessly about the 3.5gb on the 970. Somehow the vram is not an issue now, though, since nVidia's flagship card has more. I think the 4gb will not be a problem, but it is cutting it close, unless HBM is somehow much more efficient.

 

[Jaydip]

Plug it in, find a free 120mm fan area (or replace a current 120mm fan exhaust) for the radiator, works best as exhaust, so it acts both as heat exhaust for the GPU but it will be a air exhaust for your case. Win win scenario.

Btw, that * just says: Refer to page X for system config (Rig used to run bench). Ultra would imply the standard Ultra option in FC4.

Thanks man :thumbsup:

 

[Jaydip]

It is a closed loop, the only weird thing about the install is that you have to install the 120mm fan into your case somewhere (preferably as an exhaust fan... )





Either that, or it's "Ultra settings except that one setting that we turned down to low resolution graphics".

So that's it, nothing else from my part? buy the card and setup the 120mm fan as exhaust and voila I'm done? :biggrin:

 

[bryanW1995]

They say up to 2x. And we all know what that means. Kepler->Maxwell was the same.

Also remember Nano is a 600mm2 die. I am pretty sure you can also make a GTX980Ti perform like a GTX980 at 125W or so. Intel did the exact same thing with underclocked GT3 in some SKUs that performed like GT2 SKUs. Just with much lower power consumption. Just throw more lower clocked transistors at the problem. Works great in GPUs in performance/watt metric.

As you know, a much bigger issue than clocks is voltage. They probably just cherry-picked chips that could run at extremely low voltages.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Apparently that Far Cry 4 4K benchmark blowout has caught the eyes of wall street. The breakout pattern I was seeing last week has materialized into a somewhat decent move today. My AMD July 2.50 calls have doubled.

Predictable response, I bet on Friday we see a sell off and it drops back down to around 2.10-2.20. Disclaimer: this is not investment advice for entertainment purposes only.

...either way I think AMD did a decent job of their reveal, not majorly cringe worthy like when Mantle was announced.

 

[The Alias]

Apparently that Far Cry 4 4K benchmark blowout has caught the eyes of wall street. The breakout pattern I was seeing last week has materialized into a somewhat decent move today. My AMD July 2.50 calls have doubled.

Just think about what that means if it's true.

30% faster than the 980ti. It has minimums where the 980ti has averages lol. This card is a beast.

 

[The Alias]

So that's it, nothing else from my part? buy the card and setup the 120mm fan as exhaust and voila I'm done? :biggrin:

Yeah aios are super easy to set up. They are the way to go for small cases like the haf xb

 

[utahraptor]

Predictable response, I bet on Friday we see a sell off and it drops back down to around 2.10-2.20. Disclaimer: this is not investment advice for entertainment purposes only.

...either way I think AMD did a decent job of their reveal, not majorly cringe worthy like when Mantle was announced.

I purchased shares in AMD about 2 months ago in anticipation of this release at $2.32. I am tempted to sell now as I don't like the movement I have seen in the last 2 months.

 

[Jaydip]

Yeah aios are super easy to set up. They are the way to go for small cases like the haf xb

Case size isn't any of my concern 😎 what I am concerned about is the flexibly and hassle free experience, because I remember I saw it was posted many times that the wc setup is not as convenient as ac. Thanks for the help though, waiting for the reviews to take the final decision.

 

[happy medium]

More likely I suspect we'll see more folks saying "Perf watt always mattered!!1!!1!1!!"

performance/watt matters when a card is just too hot and power hungry for its performance.

2900xt
gtx480
Mostly the whole 280/290 GNC lineup.

 

[The Alias]

performance/watt matters when a card is just too hot and power hungry for its performance.

2900xt
gtx480
Mostly the whole 280/290 GNC lineup.

290/280 aftermarket cards run cool

 

[exar333]

Just think about what that means if it's true.

30% faster than the 980ti. It has minimums where the 980ti has averages lol. This card is a beast.

That performance is perfect.

If I add ~50% more performance (due to the difference between my res and 4k) I get minimums above 60fps on ultra. That's ideal.

I am really excited for this card and want to see the reviews....🙂

 

[bryanW1995]

Perf/Watt is hugely important, and the efficiency gains AMD appears to have made are more important IMO than HBM for Fury's success.

At this point, we're just waiting for independent confirmation of their claims.

Um, yeah, about that...HBM is a big reason for the huge efficiency gains. NV didn't have to jump to HBM yet b/c their cards were already very efficient, AMD had to switch to get more in-line with their competitors.

I purchased shares in AMD about 2 months ago in anticipation of this release at $2.32. I am tempted to sell now as I don't like the movement I have seen in the last 2 months.

AMD is up 4.26% so far today, apparently the market likes what it saw yesterday.

performance/watt matters when a card is just too hot and power hungry for its performance.

2900xt
gtx480
Mostly the whole 280/290 GNC lineup.

Not coincidentally, my card that fried the other day? The gtx 480 that I got for $199 back when that was a really good deal.

 

[sze5003]

Case size isn't any of my concern 😎 what I am concerned about is the flexibly and hassle free experience, because I remember I saw it was posted many times that the wc setup is not as convenient as ac. Thanks for the help though, waiting for the reviews to take the final decision.

Yea if it ever starts leaking then you may need a whole new card but I doubt that would happen. Only thing that concerns me is the length of the fan wires after the card is plugged in.

 

[exar333]

Yeah, but don't be surprised if FCAT matters again as soon as NV moves off of SLI Bridges to a "revolutionary", "game changing" renamed XDMA PCIe only protocol -- and Perf/Watt will matter if NV gets to 16nm first, but it won't matter if AMD gets to 16nm first.

But yeah, perf/watt doesn't matter now. As was imminently predictable. More likely I suspect we'll see more folks saying "Perf watt always mattered!!1!!1!1!!" when they literally never made mention of it ever before Maxwell's release, rewriting history

Phases of bad-faith argumentation: 1) My position is X. 2) Position X is unfavorable, Position Y is shown as favorable. 3) I always believed position Y. There is no getting a bad faith arguer to admit they were wrong.

You are making some great points but also really stretching on others.

FCAT DOES matter. I will agree that the focus on this went away somewhat, but AMD (and us as enthusiasts) should continue pushing this. Especially at 4K since generally you need 2 strong GPUs to do it 'well'.

I don't think anyone has said perf/watt doesn't matter, other than those who may have said that all along; the 'performance be d@mned' group. 🙂 It is presumptuous to make any assumptions YET (key word) on any new products until we see reviews. We know the claims GPU makers are 'best case' and 'under ideal conditions' and 'not always the case'. If AMD matches NV's efficiency, thats great! but not revolutionary. However, if they exceed NV's offerings in key areas, thats a huge win. We will see.

 

[happy medium]

290/280 aftermarket cards run cool

Yea so did a gtx480 when you used a 400 watt cooler, its still power hungry and that heat has to go somewhere right? Heat doesn't just disappear it goes in your case.

My 454 big block runs cool too, with a huge radiator, but its a hot ass engine.

 

[jackstar7]

You are making some great points but also really stretching on others.

FCAT DOES matter. I will agree that the focus on this went away somewhat, but AMD (and us as enthusiasts) should continue pushing this. Especially at 4K since generally you need 2 strong GPUs to do it 'well'.

I don't think anyone has said perf/watt doesn't matter, other than those who may have said that all along; the 'performance be d@mned' group. 🙂 It is presumptuous to make any assumptions YET (key word) on any new products until we see reviews. We know the claims GPU makers are 'best case' and 'under ideal conditions' and 'not always the case'. If AMD matches NV's efficiency, thats great! but not revolutionary. However, if they exceed NV's offerings in key areas, thats a huge win. We will see.

It's basically a joke though on those people who only care about a given metric when their "team" is winning. When things are even, or favor the opposition, then those metrics cease to be important. It's straight up bananas because OF COURSE those metrics should continue to matter because we all want the best user experiences as paying customers... but it doesn't change that some people move the goalposts all the time to make sure their team (and presumably their purchases) are shown in the most favorable light.

 

[Head1985]

Fiji pro 3840sp
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/AMD-R...no-Preise-Spezifikationen-Uebersicht-1162094/

 

[tential]

Performance/watt will only be more dominant in the future. Its the most important metric to aim for.

Lol what? Most important? Definitely not.
In fact I don't see it being huge gaming wise once nvidia and amd are on par. I'm pretty sure perf/watt won't matter much next gen since both amd and nvidia will have it good we'll move into another metric.

Just like Apple dictates what tech is cool, nvidia dictates what metrics matter.