Rumor: Samsung claims they will have "as fast as PC" smartphone in 2012

Kabob

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From Samsung Hub:
The Korean giant is apparently working on a new phone with a more powerful processor that will outdo the current fastest Galaxy S II. According to an unnamed “high-ranking” executive, Samsung is working on to “release a 2Ghz dual core CPU-equipped smartphone by next year” that “will have the data processing capacities of a regular PC.”

While we don’t have any other details on the phone, the new applications processor will be marketed under the Exynos range.

Another interesting news is that Samsung might look to sell those chips to other mobile manufacturers as well.

I'm not sure what "fast as a PC" means but it's good to see technology is moving forward, wonder how the high clock dual core will hold up against next year's crop of quad cores though.
 

SunnyD

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"Fast as a PC, with the battery life of enthusiast notebooks!"

Yeah, no thanks. It's bad enough I have to charge my phone every day as is.
 

YoungGun21

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I also agree that I'd rather have better battery life. Right now my phone will last all day, but only through heavy texting. I don't stream music or videos. I only do medium web browsing most days. If I do stream music and browse the web and play games, my battery is dead quickly. I would like to be able to do all of those, but still be able to make it a full day.

I understand that there is a market for these super powerful phones, but there is also a market for super long battery life phones (and it is arguably bigger), yet this segment usually gets ignored.
 

firewolfsm

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THIS IS OBVIOUSLY HAPPENING AFTER A DIE SHRINK. POWER CONSUMPTION WILL PROBABLY BE LOWER THAN THE CHIP GOING IN THE GALAXY S2 (1.2GHz)

Also, the processor is not the major source of power draw in phones, it's wireless signals (especially 4G) and the screen.

Like I said in my thread a while ago, we will double every 12-10 months for a while now, phones will be faster than our quad core i7s by 2015-16. We'll be able to set them up to be involved in most of our lives. These 2GHz dual cores in Q1 2012, quad core Tegra 3 at Q2. Cache is currently about 1MB in these chips, 3 doubling periods, by 2015, they'll have 8MB, which compares to sandy bridge. Very soon, the power penalty of adding the x86 in instruction set will be negligible.
 
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SunnyD

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THIS IS OBVIOUSLY HAPPENING AFTER A DIE SHRINK. POWER CONSUMPTION WILL PROBABLY BE LOWER THAN THE CHIP GOING IN THE GALAXY S2 (1.2GHz)

Also, the processor is not the major source of power draw in phones, it's wireless signals (especially 4G) and the screen.

While I don't discount that, there's a visible correlation to CPU usage and battery consumption on Android devices. Notably, on several Android phones I've used, the simple act of installing apps drains an incredible amount of battery from the device. Next time you feel chipper, download several new apps to your phone without installing them. Make sure they're decent in "girth". Then make sure your battery is fully charged, and go ahead and install them. I've seen a round of updates take as much as 35% off battery capacity for the day, and that doesn't even take into account the act of downloading them.

The more powerful these devices get, the more people are going to want to do with them. This is where the problem is going to be. The more they do, the less these tiny batteries are going to suffice.
 

amdhunter

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And the GUI will still be as laggerific as ever.

I am so disappointed at the entire Android experience already. They've had years, and now have the best hardware, and yet you can't use one without a half second lag while navigating the GUI.
 

gsaldivar

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you can't use one without a half second lag while navigating the GUI.

Funny, I don't seem to have that problem. There is a very occasional pause due to trash collection (usually if I'm doing lots of multitasking, like GPS + MP3/Pandora + email), but other than that my Droid Incredible is quite responsive...
 

zerocool84

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And the GUI will still be as laggerific as ever.

I am so disappointed at the entire Android experience already. They've had years, and now have the best hardware, and yet you can't use one without a half second lag while navigating the GUI.

Don't know what modern phones your're using but every recent Android phone has this almost 100% cured.
 

QueBert

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And the GUI will still be as laggerific as ever.

I am so disappointed at the entire Android experience already. They've had years, and now have the best hardware, and yet you can't use one without a half second lag while navigating the GUI.

Nah I think by 2012 Google will have gotten their shit together and added GPU acceleration to the UI. I could be wrong though, because Android is years old and they've made zero improvement in making it less laggy. Hell even with dual core uber chips in them it doesn't seem a whole lot better. Android really reminds me of a Sourceforge project, all the potential in the world, just not the right talent working on it to actually bring it together correctly.
 

firewolfsm

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The more powerful these devices get, the more people are going to want to do with them. This is where the problem is going to be. The more they do, the less these tiny batteries are going to suffice.

The wall determining what we can do with our phones, how much they can accomplish on one charge, is simply operations per watt. This number doubles every year. Sure the hardest tasks will always drain a battery. But the hard tasks of one generation are the simple operations of the next. But installing an app like those you have now on a phone in a few years won't drain your battery at all, it will probably get that done on either just one of its many cores, or at a very low clockspeed. But some will be installing much bigger and more complex apps, those will drain the battery about as much as we drain them now with our simple apps.
 

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And the GUI will still be as laggerific as ever.

I am so disappointed at the entire Android experience already. They've had years, and now have the best hardware, and yet you can't use one without a half second lag while navigating the GUI.
And it's another poster who hasn't used a modern phone. Like, you know, any Galaxy S.

(Launcher Pro will cure this on even many old Androids.)
 

WelshBloke

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Nah I think by 2012 Google will have gotten their shit together and added GPU acceleration to the UI. I could be wrong though, because Android is years old and they've made zero improvement in making it less laggy. Hell even with dual core uber chips in them it doesn't seem a whole lot better. Android really reminds me of a Sourceforge project, all the potential in the world, just not the right talent working on it to actually bring it together correctly.


I've just got an android phone and I'm not seeing any of this lag.

Is it specific to certain handsets or what?
 

Glitchny

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Well I'd imagine it would lag as it's a real old phone now.

I'm still rocking my Droid1, with a modest OC (to 800 from 600) and launcherPro I only get intermittent lag, not enough to really notice.

So the whole lag thing is old hat now?

It is more or less a symptom of old phones, but if you load a new Android with 7 pages of widgets I imagine you would see some slowdown. (but that is hearsay since I've never done it or tested it.)
 

WelshBloke

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It is more or less a symptom of old phones, but if you load a new Android with 7 pages of widgets I imagine you would see some slowdown. (but that is hearsay since I've never done it or tested it.)


*Scrolls through 7 pages without a hitch*

*Shrug*

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? Are you talking about the feeds or email messages updating?
 

mammador

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Why is there a need for a fast as desktop/laptop functionality?

I can't see how that makes on a mobile platform. 1 Ghz, maybe 2 max, is enough in terms of processing power. Plus with 4G, we'd have faster uploads/downloads and general Web browsing. I agree that the issue is more about battery life, and even then I don't see that as much of an issue.