Rumor: Price Cuts on GTX660Ti series coming next week

[toyota]

GTX570 was launched in December 2010 at $349.00, GTX660Ti has the same performance on average for $299 after a year and a half. Not to mention you could find GTX570 at $299 5-6 months ago.

lol, nice try but the gtx660 ti is on average faster than even the gtx580 while using way less power.

everything I said in that reply to him was on point. I will be the first to complain about prices but to say Nvidia's launch prices were as bad as AMD's launch prices is incorrect. Nvidia at least moved things forward while AMD did not. in fact they went backwards on the 7970.

 

[Keysplayr]

lol, nice try but the gtx660 ti is on average faster than even the gtx580 while using way less power.

everything I said in that reply to him was on point. I will be the first to complain about prices but to say Nvidia's launch prices were as bad as AMD's launch prices is incorrect.

Agreed. 660Ti is pretty quick.

 

[toyota]

Agreed. 660Ti is pretty quick.

well I personally dont like it since it falls apart kind of bad with AA in some games. and in a couple of cases the gtx580 will be faster.

if someone is coming from a plain gtx560 or a gtx460 then it would be a huge upgrade though. when and if prices drop to around $250 then it will be very good deal.

 

[Keysplayr]

Meh, not that bad. Does widen the gap between it and the 670 though.

Also for ATM:

http://jonpeddie.com/publications/add-in-board-report/

 

[sontin]

Meh, not that bad. Does widen the gap between it and the 670 though.

Also for ATM:

http://jonpeddie.com/publications/add-in-board-report/

nVidia increased market share without a real Mid-range card over the last year. So much to "look AMD can sell their cards at these price points".

 

[Crap Daddy]

Any person who didn't buy a single AMD card from 2009 to today shouldn't even be complaining about high prices on AMD's line because they gave the best price/performance for 3 generations in a row.

In 2009 I got a GTX275 over a HD4890, prices around the same, performance for my resolution (please stop comparing overclocked cards with reference) here look at reference:

In 2011 I got a GTX570 over the HD6970, prices around the same, here the performance:

The only AMD card that was of any interest for me particularly during those years would have been the 5870 but I did not have the money needed so in the end I'm glad that I waited until Fermi was sorted out.

I will skip this generation, not because the performance increase is not there but because there isn't one game that I can't play almost maxed out at my resolution with the GTX570.

 

[Keysplayr]

Looks like price/performance was there in Nvidia options. I don't know what RS is referring to.

 

[tviceman]

One possible exception is if NVDA is having atrocious yields and dumping most of the wafers in the trash. That would explain apparent constraints, although that does not mesh with actual availability.

Nvidia has significantly higher gross margins than AMD, and they make money each and every quarter. Your theory has no basis. Anyways, agreed that Nvidia cards could use price drops vs. AMD's current pricing. GTX680's at $430, GTX670 @ $350, GTX660ti @ $270, and the upcoming GTX660 @ $220-230 would put them squarely back into the price/performance brackets with AMD's lineup. Nvidia has almost always commanded a small premium for the same performance though, but it's been a long time since they've had the advantage of having smaller dies and lesser component costs so they should have more pricing leeway than in times before.

 

[maddie]

No. Ya didn't:

AMD 28,155 units 22.8% share, -1.8% from Q1, -1.3% from Q2-2011
nvidia 18,950 units 15.3% share, +0.2% from Q1, -4.5% from Q2-2011
intel 75,80 units 61.4% share, +1.7% from Q1, +6.0% from Q2-2011

discrete
AMD 14,000 units, 42.9% share, -2.1% from Q1, -2.5% from Q2-2011
nvidia 18,600 untis, 57.1% share, +2.1% from Q1, +2.5% from Q2-2011

I'm going to bed. I'll see if you decided to post some honest numbers that reflect our current 28nm sales tomorrow.
Nite good buddy.

I see you clearly fail to correct your invalid arguments when losing.

Obviously comparing the year on year sales change. It seems you only noticed the Q2-2011 statement and ran off spouting nonsense.

 

[Keysplayr]

I see you clearly fail to correct your invalid arguments when losing.

Obviously comparing the year on year sales change. It seems you only noticed the Q2-2011 statement and ran off spouting nonsense.

Here you go my man. And yes, this is Discrete graphics only like it should have been shown in the very first post from AnandthenMan. But then again, he wouldn't have shown it with discrete only as it totally nullifies his "argument".
He was sanctioned by a mod already for doing this very recently. So careful the horse you choose to back with your defense.

http://jonpeddie.com/publications/add-in-board-report/

Recap: Question regarding why Nvidia may be having supply contraints when AMD is not.
I said because Nvidia moves more product than AMD.
ATM posts that misleading information showing both discrete and CPU+IGP (APU).
Swears up and down that it's accurate and stands by it. (Sanctioned by mod for this only days or weeks ago)
How can you back somebody up like that?

 

[MrK6]

Man it must sting to have to run to former colleagues when one is wrong and can't defend his arguments, especially after one has been stripped of all his power.

 

[Keysplayr]

Man it must sting to have to run to former colleagues when one is wrong and can't defend his arguments, especially after one has been stripped of all his power.

The best you got? Weak Sauce.

 

[MrK6]

The best you got? Weak Sauce.

Best of what? What's your question?

 

[AnandThenMan]

Here you go my man. And yes, this is Discrete graphics only like it should have been shown in the very first post from AnandthenMan. But then again, he wouldn't have shown it with discrete only as it totally nullifies his "argument".
He was sanctioned by a mod already for doing this very recently. So careful the horse you choose to back with your defense.

The info I posted INCLUDES discrete shipments, did you even read it? Go and look at the post again. Now stop accusing me of intentionally trying to mislead. Again, I posted the discrete numbers! And I have explained my position and why only talking about discrete and supply constraints does not paint the overall picture IMHO.

You can chose to disagree that's fine, but kindly stop with the veiled threats and the "careful which horse you back" nonsense.

 

[sze5003]

Is this still about price cuts lol?

 

[ocre]

The info I posted INCLUDES discrete shipments, did you even read it? Go and look at the post again. Now stop accusing me of intentionally trying to mislead. Again, I posted the discrete numbers! And I have explained my position and why only talking about discrete and supply constraints does not paint the overall picture IMHO.

You can chose to disagree that's fine, but kindly stop with the veiled threats and the "careful which horse you back" nonsense.

here are the discrete numbers for the most recent quarter:

link:
http://gfxspeak.com/2012/08/16/graphics-chip-shipments-up-5-5-on-intel-gains/

Nvidia and AMD sell in the millions of units.

 

[AtenRa]

lol, nice try but the gtx660 ti is on average faster than even the gtx580 while using way less power.

everything I said in that reply to him was on point. I will be the first to complain about prices but to say Nvidia's launch prices were as bad as AMD's launch prices is incorrect. Nvidia at least moved things forward while AMD did not. in fact they went backwards on the 7970.

HD7870 was faster than HD6970 on average when launched as is GTX660ti over GTX570, you are right.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/26.html

HD7870

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_660_Ti_Amp_Edition/28.html

GTX660Ti

But, both AMD and NV prices are higher than it should be, after almost two years since the GTX580/570 and HD69xx and we have 10-15% in the same price point.

I dont have to remind you that we had that much of performance jump with the second generation of the 40nm process last year. CPU and GPU performance/price sucks big time in 2012.

 

[Keysplayr]

The info I posted INCLUDES discrete shipments, did you even read it? Go and look at the post again. Now stop accusing me of intentionally trying to mislead. Again, I posted the discrete numbers! And I have explained my position and why only talking about discrete and supply constraints does not paint the overall picture IMHO.

You can chose to disagree that's fine, but kindly stop with the veiled threats and the "careful which horse you back" nonsense.

Nvidia moved 8.75Million discrete units most recent quarter.
AMD moved 5.95Million discrete units most recent quarter.

My original comment to you stands on it's own two legs and should have been accepted by you gracefully instead of you intentionally goading others into a senseless forum argument with misleading information.

I think we all see what went on here and I hope we all remember it. This is twice now this guy tried this info out on us.

 

[blastingcap]

Nvidia moved 8.75Million discrete units most recent quarter.
AMD moved 5.95Million discrete units most recent quarter.

My original comment to you stands on it's own two legs and should have been accepted by you gracefully instead of you intentionally goading others into a senseless forum argument with misleading information.

I think we all see what went on here and I hope we all remember it. This is twice now this guy tried this info out on us.

I thought nvidia average selling price went up ... Should compare value and not just units sold yes? Even bigger gap then.

 

[Keysplayr]

I thought nvidia average selling price went up ... Should compare value and not just units sold yes? Even bigger gap then.

Why? Price wasn't really the subject in the original context. It was SIMPLY who moved more product and the context was 28nm discrete GPUs and the shortage (if existed) thereof.

 

[sze5003]

Well in general, not going by just GPU statistics, this says that their profit margin remains unchanged compared to a year ago.

http://www.thestreet.com/r/ratings/reports/analysis/NVDA.html

 

[Magic Carpet]

Performance per watt isn't stellar, though.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Perf/watt seems really good to me, near the top of the chart where do you think it should be?

 

[Magic Carpet]

Perf/watt seems really good to me, near the top of the chart where do you think it should be?

You need to also consider average power consumption... 660TI needs about 50% more power than a stock 7850, to deliver 30% more performance.

It's a fast but expensive card with dubious power-efficiency (touted so hard by nVIDIA this year). Just look at this chart below, average power is really what matters.

 

[notty22]

You need to also consider average power consumption... 660TI needs about 50% more power than a stock 7850, to deliver 30% more performance.

It's a fast but expensive card with dubious power-efficiency (touted so hard by nVIDIA this year).

Dubious? So you are saying to ignore the graph you just posted, putting near the top of all 28nm cards .